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guillaumeb

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86. ignore the point 101

Sun Feb 1, 2015, 03:47 PM

Feb 2015

What I "want it to be" has nothing to do with what is. Ignoring or being unaware of your history leads to the endless repetition of things that do not work. Perhaps a little more reading of actual history rather than a comic book version of "Captain America vs, the evildoers" type of historical fantasy might help.
As to the original post:
The ISIS group was born in a region of the world where the US has been invading, overthrowing and otherwise interfering since the CIA overthrew Mohammed Mossadegh in Iran and installed a puppet ruler. Why did the US do that? To ensure access to oil. No silly rhetoric about promoting human rights. Just raw military power in service of empire.
Every times the US intervenes militarily it adds fuel to the flames. Why is the answer always to add more fuel? Do we add enough fuel to ignite the world?

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Everyone hates ISIS....So what do you want to do about it ? [View all] Rhinodawg Feb 2015 OP

The problem is that we felt much the same way for years about the Taliban. potone Feb 2015 #1

It will take all of... YvonneCa Feb 2015 #13

We didn't even TRY in Afghanistan, remember? MH1 Feb 2015 #21

Trying is where we screwed up in Iraq JonLP24 Feb 2015 #124

Cut off ISIS' supply of money from KSA and GCC elites. We know who the funders are - just do it. leveymg Feb 2015 #2

I agree ...You can cut off the funds and it wont stop the killings. Rhinodawg Feb 2015 #4

ISIS wouldn't last a month without constant financing from Jeddah and Doha. leveymg Feb 2015 #8

We broke it and made a safe haven for them glasshouses Feb 2015 #3

Air support for the Kurds & Iraqis seems to be working tabasco Feb 2015 #5

This message was self-deleted by its author Rhinodawg Feb 2015 #6

The PKK has apparently decisively defeated ISIS in Kobani. But we can't help them because, um, KingCharlemagne Feb 2015 #7

What, exactly, are you talking about? tabasco Feb 2015 #83

The PKK is the Kurdistan Workers' Party (Partiya Karkeren Kurdistani). While I don't have any links KingCharlemagne Feb 2015 #110

Roosevelt knew we needed to go against the Nazi's long before the American people could be jwirr Feb 2015 #9

Ahhhhhhhhhhhh.....very good. Rhinodawg Feb 2015 #10

Reminds me of that PNAC document CJCRANE Feb 2015 #14

I know that there are many who believe that regarding 9/11. And to be fair FDR was accused of jwirr Feb 2015 #16

CJ...How does the world stop ISIS ? Rhinodawg Feb 2015 #17

No response ? Rhinodawg Feb 2015 #42

We'll find out soon enough CJCRANE Feb 2015 #44

So you can envision a scenario where you would support the use of US ground troops? Rhinodawg Feb 2015 #47

If they release the rest of the 9/11 report and the Iraq Inquiry report soon CJCRANE Feb 2015 #48

I wanted to know whether YOU would support the use of US troops. Rhinodawg Feb 2015 #50

I don't support the use of US or foreign troops in the region. nt CJCRANE Feb 2015 #51

Thank you. Rhinodawg Feb 2015 #53

+100 ND-Dem Feb 2015 #33

It's was Hitler's declaring war on the U.S. that actively involved the country in Europe Lurks Often Feb 2015 #20

I don't blame him for this since he had no idea in 1945 JonLP24 Feb 2015 #127

Do something? 99Forever Feb 2015 #11

******** Rhinodawg Feb 2015 #12

ok then what? qazplm Feb 2015 #15

Apply, lather, rinse, repeat.. 99Forever Feb 2015 #18

99...Take a stand. Rhinodawg Feb 2015 #26

We get the fuck out of other nations business... 99Forever Feb 2015 #111

Saudi Arabia, Burma, North Korea, JonLP24 Feb 2015 #125

ISIS was just forced to abandon a city (I forget which one) because of the bombing campaign. randome Feb 2015 #28

A guerilla group just kicked them out of northern iraq. It's not like they're some magic invincible ND-Dem Feb 2015 #34

They think they are. Bomb them with cubicles and they'll come around! randome Feb 2015 #54

as i said: guerillas just kicked them out of iraq. somehow their fearsome invincibleness did not ND-Dem Feb 2015 #67

Everybody LiberalElite Feb 2015 #19

Thats what i was getting at . Rhinodawg Feb 2015 #24

I really don't like IS. And think there's little we should do about it directly. Igel Feb 2015 #22

Choices: AngryAmish Feb 2015 #23

Air, fuel Munitions H. Cromwell Feb 2015 #25

Yours is the first tactical military response. Rhinodawg Feb 2015 #27

Let Kurdish communist separatists deal with it. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #36

Another ******** Rhinodawg Feb 2015 #39

***** yourself. if you can't rebut the argument, why resort to disguised name-calling? ND-Dem Feb 2015 #41

Using military force WILL NOT defeat ISIS. They'll just morph into another terrorist group BlueCaliDem Feb 2015 #37

Not enough discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2015 #45

Cut off their funds by freezing their bank accounts. You don't think ISIS is caring millions of BlueCaliDem Feb 2015 #29

Sounds wonderful. Rhinodawg Feb 2015 #30

Yeah. History on war itself. eom BlueCaliDem Feb 2015 #35

But then we miss out on the righteous bloodshed as we smite the wicked. Boring Exultant Democracy Feb 2015 #64

Historical proof of what JonLP24 Feb 2015 #128

I'm not an ISIS propaganda expert JonLP24 Feb 2015 #129

Under principle of ' Never Again' need international military force on point Feb 2015 #31

This can be largely a local affair. Comrade Grumpy Feb 2015 #32

Grumpy... I was waiting for you. Rhinodawg Feb 2015 #40

The goal is not to throw Turkey out of NATO, but to change it's behavior. Comrade Grumpy Feb 2015 #120

That is because they don't like Assad JonLP24 Feb 2015 #131

Wow... "needs to be pressured to behave" Rhinodawg Feb 2015 #138

+1000. nt. polly7 Feb 2015 #76

Yet another existential threat to humanity? guillaumeb Feb 2015 #38

And I think that is the problem with those trying to say our best response is "Stay out of it" stevenleser Feb 2015 #58

world cop guillaumeb Feb 2015 #60

Your rhetoric is not an answer to the question posed by the OP. Try again. nt stevenleser Feb 2015 #63

Au contraire guillaumeb Feb 2015 #80

Nope. The answer to what to do about ISIS is not "America bad" stevenleser Feb 2015 #85

ignore the point 101 guillaumeb Feb 2015 #86

You have no point that addresses the question of the OP. Nt stevenleser Feb 2015 #97

Actually, yes. They did answer the question. Hissyspit Feb 2015 #89

No, they didn't. Nt stevenleser Feb 2015 #96

Off the top rope for the win with one simple word... "blowback." Exultant Democracy Feb 2015 #88

thanks guillaumeb Feb 2015 #94

The cave man thinking on this thread amounts to "Enough gasoline will put out that fire." Exultant Democracy Feb 2015 #99

Nope, that is not an answer to the OP, or alternate suggestion to mine. Nt stevenleser Feb 2015 #95

You mean your "bomb our way out of this problem we bombed our way into" was serious? Exultant Democracy Feb 2015 #100

choices guillaumeb Feb 2015 #115

No, it means that person has to come up with an idea of some sort, they didn't. nt stevenleser Feb 2015 #117

re: "So what do you want to do about it?" discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2015 #43

Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2015 #46

start a REAL war....or not, decision needed quadrature Feb 2015 #49

You don't have any tough choice to make at all. Hissyspit Feb 2015 #90

Not much. Donald Ian Rankin Feb 2015 #52

Great honest answer. Rhinodawg Feb 2015 #55

I wish I had a better one. Donald Ian Rankin Feb 2015 #66

Mexican Drug Cartels Astrad Feb 2015 #56

+100. It's interesting to see who's for US intervention. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #70

Have Congress issue Letters Marque and Reprisal authorizing Zetas to eliminate Daesh AngryAmish Feb 2015 #81

My ideas would violate the Geneva Convention I suspect Generic Brad Feb 2015 #57

Porn, drugs, booze and video games. Just air drop that shit on top of them all the time. Exultant Democracy Feb 2015 #59

amen guillaumeb Feb 2015 #65

Step 1: stop funding the problem Man from Pickens Feb 2015 #61

+100 ND-Dem Feb 2015 #68

One critical flaw in the logic of your post... crusades are awesome! Exultant Democracy Feb 2015 #72

they should be taken out militarily asap. samsingh Feb 2015 #62

Erect Bogeyman, wave flag, declare we need protection, give more money to the MIC. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2015 #69

I could take Rhinodawg's posts about ISIS more seriously if he wasn't also running around here alcibiades_mystery Feb 2015 #71

Green energy. Remove the impetus for the western energy industry to be there. Marr Feb 2015 #73

Great answer. I agree. nt CJCRANE Feb 2015 #105

Want? Send Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, & Co. moondust Feb 2015 #74

They wouldn't know how to clean up GP6971 Feb 2015 #77

I think it's worth a try. n/t moondust Feb 2015 #78

Scott Walker agrees that we "should do something". Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2015 #75

Deal with the source of the ISIS problem. Take three steps back in international actions since 9/11 kelliekat44 Feb 2015 #79

Obama's military has been smart so far Warpy Feb 2015 #82

You're like their publicist whatchamacallit Feb 2015 #84

Terrorists, your game is through cause now you have ta answer to America, Fuck yeah! So lick my butt Exultant Democracy Feb 2015 #87

I think we should fuck some more shit up. Hissyspit Feb 2015 #91

Thing about the middle east, dig that hole deep enough you'll hit oil someday right? Exultant Democracy Feb 2015 #103

Now hear me out, The US Gov puts a bounty, dead or alive, of $500 a head on ISIS ChosenUnWisely Feb 2015 #92

you want shit blown up and people killed KG Feb 2015 #93

Not people, brown people big difference. Brown people we want to kill are savages and savages Exultant Democracy Feb 2015 #101

You aren't defending ISIS, are you? WinkyDink Feb 2015 #102

If that is what you are reading you have a serious reading comprehension issue. Exultant Democracy Feb 2015 #104

Is it OK if we support the Kurds in their efforts to get fucking ISIS out of Kurdistan? Warren Stupidity Feb 2015 #119

This message was self-deleted by its author Exultant Democracy Feb 2015 #121

well, like we did after WWII in Japan .... which went from dictatorship to democracy. kwassa Feb 2015 #98

Because the Islamic State continues to expand the battlefield by directing its followers Agnosticsherbet Feb 2015 #106

Yes, ISIS = Nazi Germany whatchamacallit Feb 2015 #107

We should get the hell out of the ME! napi21 Feb 2015 #108

Air support of reliable friendlies on the ground. MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #109

Stop being a crutch for regional powers, get out of dodge making in clear to the local TheKentuckian Feb 2015 #112

Really ? I guess I'll just say... Rhinodawg Feb 2015 #113

Whatever is done, it must be a united world wide effort pathansen Feb 2015 #114

I'm not sure that will happen. Rhinodawg Feb 2015 #116

They've stepped out on civilization. Warren Stupidity Feb 2015 #118

Number two is why ISIS is there JonLP24 Feb 2015 #126

You forgot a few options. Their social media policy shows some vunherabilities... Violet_Crumble Feb 2015 #122

Syrian Women Know How to Defeat ISIS JonLP24 Feb 2015 #123

Get the hell out of the Middle East! Chemisse Feb 2015 #130

I prefer containment. Vattel Feb 2015 #132

"Everybody" makes your statement wrong. LWolf Feb 2015 #133

Well, I guess i meant "the vast majority of people here". Rhinodawg Feb 2015 #135

That's why LWolf Feb 2015 #140

I've always felt not flooding the region with money and weapons would be a good start. raouldukelives Feb 2015 #134

Execute a prisoner of theirs every time they kill a civilian. Waiting For Everyman Feb 2015 #136

Thank you for your honest response. Rhinodawg Feb 2015 #137

I imagine a lot of people don't pretend to have absolute answers... LanternWaste Feb 2015 #139