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PosterChild

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63. I'll take a look at the critique...

Sun Feb 1, 2015, 09:47 PM

Feb 2015

...but I want to address the issue of open discussion. Serrious negotiations of this sort are never conducted openly. That’s because negotiations are intrinsically trade offs between various positive and negative affects on various interest groups. The overall deal cannot be fairly assessed by considering individual terms and conditions apart from the whole. You have to look at the full impact to determine whether or not it is a good deal.

If the discussions are open the negotiators are unable to explore trade offs, pros and cons and the overall balence without the whole negotiation being soured by interest groups that focus exclusively on some poposed policy that is not to their immediate advantage without consideration of offsetting positive aspects.

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