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PosterChild

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24. As a quick reply...

Sun Feb 1, 2015, 10:52 PM

Feb 2015

...the problem with your response, and with the article itself, is that you are attempting to litigate the issue in a discussion forum based on limited knowledge of the agreement and based only on summary, one sided "facts" presented by a political partisan.

The tribunal, in contrast, would have examined the agreement in detail, heard both sides give their best arguments, and would have had the ability to independently assess and uncover facts.

Ecuador would have been involved in establishing this tribunal, so it would be reasonable to assume that they endeavored to make sure that it would be impartial, fair and just. Otherwise why would they agree to it in the first place?

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