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In reply to the discussion: Is President Obama admitting we caused overthrow of Ukraine's government? [View all]JonLP24
(30,048 posts)but there is a lot being left out Obama mentions and context would be helpful in understanding the whole early elections.
Following the Presidential election of Petro Poroshenko, a wealthy businessman with support from European allies & Obama wanted to hold early elections for Parliament, before the 5 years was up. This new election prohibited Eastern regions of Ukraine form voting as well as Crimea. Crimean citizens couldn't vote in the election, turnout was a low 32% well the western parts had a 70% turnout.
This is actually contrary to what others such as Hillary Clinton : "We share the view of OSCE monitors that Sunday's election constituted a step backward for Ukrainian democracy"
Obama mentions Yankovych fleeing after the power was brokered but he signed the early elections into law, his own party later disowned them. Parliament voted to remove him from office after he extended an existing treaty with Russia from 2017 to sometime in the 2020s, 2022 if I'm not mistaken. Also 5 constitutional court judges were dismissed for "oath breaking" by Verkhovna Rada, approved by Parliament. Then Yankovych fleed but still it is an interesting choice of words by Obama given the context. One of Yankovych's more controversial moves was adding Russian to the official language (the adding or keeping off Russian as an official language is what qualifies as a politicized issue).
A lot of what he says about Russia is even more interesting. I could say more but basically paints it as Russia could be so much more if they agreed to play ball by our rules, he is right about their interests in Crimea though I wouldn't worry about the territory aspect since Crimea has changed hands so many times, but Crimea Parliament declared itself Independent & annexed with Russia so it basically fell into their laps. The international laws & this or that is basically what the dispute is about, Crimean Parliament cited Kosovo in its decision & they feel they had the right, within international law do what they did.
Interesting to say "allowed sanctions" on themselves. Indeed. Imagine if the roles were reversed & it was Russia, Crimea & Eastern parts of Ukraine that wanted to join EU & receive IMF extortion funds & it was Ukraine (that wanted to go the other way--wouldn't make sense given that natural resources is a major part of this). Ukraine would be allowing sanctions on themselves.
I personally don't have a dog in this fight except to say not to have a dog in this fight which is where I differ when it comes US/NATO/EU
On edit - My knowledge is very limited, especially in comparison to other long standing identity politics driven conflicts but I'd recommend in asking another_liberal more questions as he knows a hell lot more than I do. I'm not sure if he/she is on a side but from my POV the poster appears to be defending the truth more than anything, he/she may be off but there certainly is a Pro-Western Ukraine bloc that are off, in disputing that anyone in Ukraine is unhappy & the only ones upset or fighting is the Russian Army.