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In reply to the discussion: What would Teddy Roosevelt have thought of "investor-state dispute" tribunals? [View all]Faryn Balyncd
(5,125 posts)34. Continuing to attack a straw man does not address the exponentially increasing problems presented by
... the Pandora's box of corporate goodies into which ISDS's have evolved.
The straw man you continue to attack is the concept of absolute novelty, which you claim that some posters "seem to believe".
Yet the substantial, and growing, damage that ISDS's are doing to the public interest, and the threat posed to many diverse non-trade areas of law, lies not in an imaginary absolute novelty, but in the reality of the ISDS's that have evolved as a result of corporate influence, generally exerted out of public view.
This reality has resulted in dramatically increased ISDS lawsuits and pro-corporate awards under NAFTA, which have been extensively documented.
The wide scope of the TPP, extending far beyond the lowering of actual trade barriers such as tariffs and duties, and now primarily involving such issues as extension of copyrights and patents, expands the scope of the threads posed by this Pandora's Box of corporate goodies under the TPP.
But rather than addressing these issues, which have been clearly articulated by many, including Robert Reich, Jim Hightower, and even free trade advocates such as Paul Krugman (who, despite his advocacy of free trade, points out that the TPP does not primarily address trade issues, but rather extending monopoly rights through patent and copyright charges, such that he would be relieved if it is not adopted), you continue to attack the straw man of absolute novelty which you claim some posters "seem to believe".
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What would Teddy Roosevelt have thought of "investor-state dispute" tribunals? [View all]
Faryn Balyncd
Feb 2015
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And on the side supporting the likes of Warren & Roosevelt...that "Marxist" Adam Smith:
Faryn Balyncd
Feb 2015
#5
I am seeing fairly new folks on DU lately, telling us condescendingly that we should love and
djean111
Feb 2015
#6
The truth is that there been an explosion in invester-state disputes in recent years, and the breadt
Faryn Balyncd
Feb 2015
#23
"Imaginary horibbles." Yeah, we should trust you instead of this no-nothing guy, right?
Scuba
Feb 2015
#30
In actual practice, the functioning of investor-state tribunals has been much worse:
Faryn Balyncd
Feb 2015
#12
As the article discussed, it was Oxidental, not Ecuador, which broke the contract,
Faryn Balyncd
Feb 2015
#18
Rammed through with the Ecuadorian equivalent of "Fast Track" & "national security" secrecy perhaps?
Faryn Balyncd
Feb 2015
#26
So you are advocating extending copyright & patent monopolies, and setting up investor-state...
Faryn Balyncd
Feb 2015
#48
Corporate sovereignty, extended patent and copyright monpolies, decreased access to generic
Faryn Balyncd
Feb 2015
#52
No one will read it, or admit such law suits are limited. European Union has same deal, and
Hoyt
Feb 2015
#27
Continuing to attack a straw man does not address the exponentially increasing problems presented by
Faryn Balyncd
Feb 2015
#34
Lots of these countries need investment, but it won't come if investors are afraid their investment
Hoyt
Feb 2015
#35
More straw man arguments. But the lawsuits/awards have overwhelmingly NOT been about nationalizing
Faryn Balyncd
Feb 2015
#36
Like I said, Reich pushed NAFTA and still does. Now he's a guru. I guess that's a straw man too.
Hoyt
Feb 2015
#37
Opposing the TPP as "NAFTA on steroids" is a very strange way to "push NAFTA".
Faryn Balyncd
Feb 2015
#38
Reich still defends NAFTA. Recently he said he wished it had stronger Labor and Environmental
Hoyt
Feb 2015
#39
I guess those "stronger Labor & Environmental" standards are the reason corporate interests are so
Faryn Balyncd
Feb 2015
#40