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MohRokTah

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45. That's a bullshit argument.

Mon Feb 2, 2015, 05:47 PM

Feb 2015

The reason so few people die from the measles IS THE EFFICACY OF THE MEASLES VACCINE!

Flu vaccines are nowhere near as effective because of the mutability of the virus. Herd immunity CANNOT BE ACHIEVED with the flu due to the lack of effectiveness.

On the other hand, polio, measles, mumps, rubella, whooping cough, and several other diseases could be eradicated like smallpox if the same effort at vaccination with the high levels of compliance would occur.

But NOOOOOO because anti-vaxxers are fucking morons who would rather see people die from preventable diseases than get jabbed in the arm.

So yeah, where herd immunity is achievable with a vaccine, they should eb mandatory and the penalty for non-compliance should be complete removal from society.

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So the new anti-Vax mantra is "My body, My choice"? [View all] trumad Feb 2015 OP

Actually, I have to agree with that slogan, up to a point. CaliforniaPeggy Feb 2015 #1

/\/\/\/\ yes/\/\/\/\ dembotoz Feb 2015 #5

And I have to agree with you on that. Arkansas Granny Feb 2015 #14

And that is the original meaning of the slogan. jwirr Feb 2015 #36

I agree. But as long as we keep unvaccinated people away from our very young and vulnerale children JDPriestly Feb 2015 #41

If a member of your family gets it, don't take them out in to public.... AlbertCat Feb 2015 #49

You have the workload backwards. jeff47 Feb 2015 #66

I stand corrected. Thanks. JDPriestly Feb 2015 #69

Just to be pedantic jeff47 Feb 2015 #70

Clear. That would mean those who get colds and cannot be vaccinated due to compromised JDPriestly Feb 2015 #71

+1 Still Sensible Feb 2015 #82

Damn Skippy! nt MrScorpio Feb 2015 #87

My problem when your choice means you become a carrier and spread it to me NightWatcher Feb 2015 #2

That's exactly it. HappyMe Feb 2015 #3

What about the other side of the coin of people with conditions MillennialDem Feb 2015 #7

I don't think anyone is suggesting you be injected something you are allergic to. Liberal Veteran Feb 2015 #9

Good. I did hear about a hospital that was requiring nurses and other staff to be vaccinated for the MillennialDem Feb 2015 #21

I can't take the nasal vaccine. I'm immunocompromised. Liberal Veteran Feb 2015 #25

Nurses and other staff are around sick people with compromised immune systems daily... Moonwalk Feb 2015 #64

WE get vaccinated to protect YOU. Iggo Feb 2015 #10

And I appreciate it. I rarely get sick though as I'm still young and healthy (or is it the MillennialDem Feb 2015 #22

Well I don't understand. zeemike Feb 2015 #86

Since you freely admit you know nothing... Humanist_Activist Feb 2015 #94

Have no interest in it. zeemike Feb 2015 #98

Think of it like pooping in the yard bhikkhu Feb 2015 #138

Well think of it as an ultrasound for a woman. zeemike Feb 2015 #140

I think that you would be exempt - your doctor probably would not give you the vaccination. I jwirr Feb 2015 #39

You have good reason not be be vaccinated. murielm99 Feb 2015 #76

I have an auto immune disease, too, murielm99 Feb 2015 #77

But how does stupidity transmit so fast? Padiddle Feb 2015 #85

The Google Search Vector is leading cause of vaccine stupidity transmission. Liberal Veteran Feb 2015 #92

But anti-vaxxers would just claim to be the blue guy. Beartracks Feb 2015 #139

Not when it comes to kids who have no control over their lives. Avalux Feb 2015 #4

That's Exactly What I Was Thinking.... global1 Feb 2015 #12

But it's more than that nichomachus Feb 2015 #24

I have a question about that sweetapogee Feb 2015 #29

Vaccines aren't like a shield. jeff47 Feb 2015 #40

No vaccine is 100% effective. SunSeeker Feb 2015 #47

If you vaccinate your kids they are safe as long as their shots are up to date. But infants have to jwirr Feb 2015 #55

Some unvaccinated, some are among the 2% where the vaccine doesn't work. (nt) jeff47 Feb 2015 #60

Yes you're correct. I limited my response to parents and their kids. Avalux Feb 2015 #34

I don't know about legislating it. Most anti vaxxers are utterly stupid I agree who do it for MillennialDem Feb 2015 #6

You are one of people for whom the need for a high vaccination rate is very important. HuckleB Feb 2015 #17

I'm not sure which oil. I've had injections of various types - I'm trans so hormones, flu shot, and MillennialDem Feb 2015 #20

I think you need to look up what enlightenment Feb 2015 #26

Eh, my doctor used the word allergic to describe it. And it's to any IM injection, whether it MillennialDem Feb 2015 #79

That kind of reaction can be pretty common. HappyMe Feb 2015 #30

If the components of a specific vaccine will make you ill, then you'd be exempt. Avalux Feb 2015 #35

Unfortunately it's been a lot of "my wallet, my choice" HereSince1628 Feb 2015 #8

I believe vaccines are free under Obamacare, Nye Bevan Feb 2015 #28

The flu has killed more people so far. WDIM Feb 2015 #11

"Forcing pharmaceuticals on to people and erroding more freedoms never solves anything.": Smallpox. Liberal Veteran Feb 2015 #13

"Freedoms" also involve polio and TB. HappyMe Feb 2015 #16

Mmmmm......old fashioned freedom! Liberal Veteran Feb 2015 #19

Yeah, it does seem kind of mean. HappyMe Feb 2015 #23

A little fear? trumad Feb 2015 #15

I am for the right of the individual WDIM Feb 2015 #43

you didn't answer my question. trumad Feb 2015 #48

It's a common anti-vaxxer dodge. MohRokTah Feb 2015 #51

I did answer the question WDIM Feb 2015 #52

There's this thing called society, see. MohRokTah Feb 2015 #56

GForget it. He's just spouting his libertarain BS. He and Ms. Rand would be happy together HERVEPA Feb 2015 #80

Exposing people to diseases unnecessarily affects everyone's rights, too. HuckleB Feb 2015 #18

I didnt get a flu vaccine WDIM Feb 2015 #46

So i guess i should be forced into quarantine. AlbertCat Feb 2015 #58

+1 HuckleB Feb 2015 #125

This arguement is not about flu shots which everyone knows only work when they get the right jwirr Feb 2015 #75

+1 HuckleB Feb 2015 #126

Nice red herring. HuckleB Feb 2015 #124

If people had been allowed to get away with being anti-vax a few decades ago... MohRokTah Feb 2015 #27

Thank god the internet wasn't around. A lot of the anti-vax crap is directly from the web. Liberal Veteran Feb 2015 #31

Just like you learned to not believe every news article you read jeff47 Feb 2015 #33

again the flu kills more people WDIM Feb 2015 #42

That's a bullshit argument. MohRokTah Feb 2015 #45

nobody has died from the measles in the US WDIM Feb 2015 #59

You left out the word "yet" MohRokTah Feb 2015 #62

Sheeple... Dr Hobbitstein Feb 2015 #81

It was alerted on and allowed to stand 5-2 HERVEPA Feb 2015 #84

Thanks to vaccinations. HuckleB Feb 2015 #123

Actually, flu that can cause pandemic is under the guideline for quarantine and isolation. Liberal Veteran Feb 2015 #57

Please learn the difference between measles and influenza. NuclearDem Feb 2015 #96

The measles vaccine has a 2% failure rate. jeff47 Feb 2015 #32

Post removed Post removed Feb 2015 #50

375 people died from the measles between your post and mine. jeff47 Feb 2015 #53

Please educate yourself. [n/t] Maedhros Feb 2015 #61

That's some really comprehensive research there. Act_of_Reparation Feb 2015 #67

Libertarian bullshit HERVEPA Feb 2015 #78

For these asswipes, does my body, my choice extend to pregnancy and right to die? Hoppy Feb 2015 #37

I believe it should extend to the right to die with dignity. Sheepshank Feb 2015 #93

Got 'em all and got the same treatment for all. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2015 #38

Fewer people care about the public good anymore AZ Progressive Feb 2015 #44

So for those who seek medical training, do professors go, "you stupid fucking students! closeupready Feb 2015 #54

Teach the children about vaccines Generic Other Feb 2015 #63

Yup Android3.14 Feb 2015 #65

Your right to freedom ends when you harm others. jeff47 Feb 2015 #68

I'm not refusing vaccines. Android3.14 Feb 2015 #83

In most cases no lakercub Feb 2015 #91

Unfortunately, your example is not applicable and the gain is hardly worth the precedent Android3.14 Feb 2015 #99

I don't care if you are. I'm explaining how your argument is crap. jeff47 Feb 2015 #100

Actually, your argument is totalitarian nonsense Android3.14 Feb 2015 #102

Transvaginal ultrasounds in the context you're discussing are medically unnecessary NuclearDem Feb 2015 #106

And? Android3.14 Feb 2015 #108

Oh, fuck, not this argument again! Humanist_Activist Feb 2015 #111

I understand Android3.14 Feb 2015 #117

How many giraffes does it take to change a lightbulb? Humanist_Activist Feb 2015 #119

"How many giraffes does it take to change a lightbulb?" NuclearDem Feb 2015 #122

You're comparing bullshit rightwing talking points and epidemiological science. NuclearDem Feb 2015 #112

A drunk driver is less likely to injure someone jeff47 Feb 2015 #120

People don't have the right to drive drunk. NuclearDem Feb 2015 #95

Key phrase is "good chance" Android3.14 Feb 2015 #97

If you have measles, you will give it to 90% of the people who come into contact with you jeff47 Feb 2015 #101

Bullshit Android3.14 Feb 2015 #104

No, you'll give it to 90% of the people you come into contact with. NuclearDem Feb 2015 #109

Perhaps. But the danger is still to people without immunizations Android3.14 Feb 2015 #113

No, it exists to prevent an outbreak in the first place. NuclearDem Feb 2015 #116

Totally agree with your post, but it still is not justification Android3.14 Feb 2015 #118

Oh, bullshit. NuclearDem Feb 2015 #121

Oh, and by the way. Here's proof your post is bullshit Android3.14 Feb 2015 #127

How exactly is that "proof" that my post is bullshit? NuclearDem Feb 2015 #128

I really shouldn't have to point this out Android3.14 Feb 2015 #143

Ugh. NuclearDem Feb 2015 #144

Oh, I think we'll leave that judgement to people Android3.14 Feb 2015 #145

Terrific, so now we know you not only have no idea how herd immunity works NuclearDem Feb 2015 #146

Wow. zappaman Feb 2015 #129

Nope. You'll give it to 90%. Vaccinated or not. jeff47 Feb 2015 #115

No, the example was just fine. NuclearDem Feb 2015 #103

My kid can't bring peanut butter to school for consumption by his body. ehrnst Feb 2015 #72

I think people should have a choice. MohRokTah Feb 2015 #73

The irony is that they're so terrified of autism Padiddle Feb 2015 #88

If you choose to risk the health of society by not onecaliberal Feb 2015 #74

Why would your healthy children be at risk? Android3.14 Feb 2015 #107

My child has a seizure disorder. He is healthy onecaliberal Feb 2015 #110

Science is hard. Act_of_Reparation Feb 2015 #136

Please learn to science. NuclearDem Feb 2015 #137

We've already determined your abilities in this area Android3.14 Feb 2015 #142

Maybe we should establish a few island nations for them... hunter Feb 2015 #89

k AtomicKitten Feb 2015 #90

"Stupid fucking people"? Android3.14 Feb 2015 #105

Why do you say that, you have confirmed that observation with your own posts... Humanist_Activist Feb 2015 #114

no I believe in vaccinations trumad Feb 2015 #130

Do you bellieve that a person who has recovered from measles HockeyMom Feb 2015 #131

"I want to hear the science, not complications from the disease." Are you fucking serious? Humanist_Activist Feb 2015 #132

Obviously you do not KNOW the difference between antibodies HockeyMom Feb 2015 #133

NO ONE IS SAYING THAT, JESUS FUCK! Humanist_Activist Feb 2015 #134

... NuclearDem Feb 2015 #135

Because you don't understand the Science of vaccines MattBaggins Feb 2015 #141