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KamaAina

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29. True, but people with disabilities are worried about being pressured

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Mon Feb 2, 2015, 06:08 PM

Feb 2015

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'Like Stephen Hawking, I'm past my sell-by date but this law to help people die is wrong' [View all] KamaAina Feb 2015 OP

So she is in favor of making some people live out their last few weeks in agony n2doc Feb 2015 #1

I'm not familiar with the law - it's a UK law el_bryanto Feb 2015 #2

No, she's in favor of not giving the oligarchs the power to kill the general population woodsprite Feb 2015 #4

Uh -- The choice to die is up to the patient, not the oligarchs. Arugula Latte Feb 2015 #10

Who makes the decisions for those who are developmentally disabled and cannot make their own jwirr Feb 2015 #37

Only competent adults can make the decision muriel_volestrangler Feb 2015 #40

But shouldn't the mentally ill have the option? Padiddle Feb 2015 #46

That would introduce the problems of whether someone else is coercing them muriel_volestrangler Feb 2015 #51

That would be charmingly naive Man from Pickens Feb 2015 #84

I live in a state that has assisted suicide and that ain't happening. Arugula Latte Feb 2015 #88

But nor is anyone else. Donald Ian Rankin Feb 2015 #11

Thank YOU! smirkymonkey Feb 2015 #43

If you "had brain cancer and could no longer function or communicate" you would be SOL Hekate Feb 2015 #50

If the patient is teminal that is different. My daughter has lived with a disability for 52 years jwirr Feb 2015 #35

No one has proposed that, have they? Please show me where in the USA someone has put that in... Hekate Feb 2015 #53

I worked with a child where there was a DNR without being specific. She got a bad cold which jwirr Feb 2015 #54

It's incumbent on the person signing the DNR to be specific; it's stupid not to be Hekate Feb 2015 #60

How about the bills go "My body, my illness, my time, my way"? NightWatcher Feb 2015 #3

It really is that simple. hifiguy Feb 2015 #5

I'm getting tired of assholes forcing other people to die painful deaths. NutmegYankee Feb 2015 #6

No one is "forcing other people to die painful deaths". KamaAina Feb 2015 #7

No, that statement is not true. Donald Ian Rankin Feb 2015 #12

But that is not the current situation. Warren Stupidity Feb 2015 #17

They're forcing people to live painful lives. Padiddle Feb 2015 #47

Yes they are. NutmegYankee Feb 2015 #56

That's what I'm talking about. KamaAina Feb 2015 #57

That's not enough. NutmegYankee Feb 2015 #58

Thank you. We just had to deal with such a doctor liberalhistorian Feb 2015 #77

Her fears are not supported by evidence. Donald Ian Rankin Feb 2015 #8

Yep. It has worked beautifully here in Oregon. Arugula Latte Feb 2015 #9

Really? loyalsister Feb 2015 #55

You think that respecting her right to choose is disrespectful? Donald Ian Rankin Feb 2015 #59

She didn't hire lawyers. They represented her pro bono loyalsister Feb 2015 #74

With MS I fit the definition. Downwinder Feb 2015 #13

But would you like to have it forced on you? KamaAina Feb 2015 #14

Perhaps I should have bolded option. Downwinder Feb 2015 #15

straw man. That question is not at issue. 2banon Feb 2015 #16

nobody is forcing anything on anyone. Warren Stupidity Feb 2015 #18

I am currently at that risk if some insurance button counter Downwinder Feb 2015 #19

The insurance companies basically wrote the Oregon law. KamaAina Feb 2015 #20

A bullet is much cheaper. Downwinder Feb 2015 #21

So a patient who chooses to not treat their own chronic illness anymore should be forced Arugula Latte Feb 2015 #25

Apparently yes, according to the OP's liberalhistorian Feb 2015 #78

and therein lies what i think many perceive to be a serious flaw... 0rganism Feb 2015 #33

+100. I don't think it's accidental that assisted suicide is taking off as the boomers retire. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #62

Exactly. Nt thucythucy Feb 2015 #79

KamaAina, I am sorry for your fears, but nowhere in the existing or proposed laws... Hekate Feb 2015 #52

society at large finds it acceptable to cut funding for the disabled and to make them die outright. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #63

That is demonstrably not true. Are you peddling the Obamacare Death Panels lie, or are you simply... Hekate Feb 2015 #66

I'm familiar with disability and the treatment of the disabled. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #67

Please provide some proof to your assertions that the U.S. would go Nazi on the disabled. nt Hekate Feb 2015 #68

You think there's something special about the germans? Any population will 'go nazi' in the ND-Dem Feb 2015 #69

I'm not debating the demonstrably false with you. I asked for your proof. nt Hekate Feb 2015 #70

i'm supposed to "prove" that americans would allow disabled people to be killed under the right ND-Dem Feb 2015 #71

That's all you've got? One clearly desperate woman? No laws proposed? No Death Panels ... Hekate Feb 2015 #72

The audience voted in favor of her 'mercy-killing' her children. And here's the poll ND-Dem Feb 2015 #73

No one mentions vankuria Feb 2015 #22

I hadn't even thought of that KamaAina Feb 2015 #23

A law should provide for professional counseling. Downwinder Feb 2015 #24

Yes of course vankuria Feb 2015 #28

Provide for, but not require Padiddle Feb 2015 #48

Presumably the court would be in position to make the right decision: elleng Feb 2015 #27

Unfortunately courts did not always make the right decision vankuria Feb 2015 #30

Thank you. By the way in order to qualify for SSI my daughter had to have a living will and we did jwirr Feb 2015 #39

And thank-you Jwirr vankuria Feb 2015 #45

No, no-one can do this for anyone else, under this bill muriel_volestrangler Feb 2015 #31

Thank-you for that information vankuria Feb 2015 #36

No provision of a guardian? I sign everything for my daughter. Legally. jwirr Feb 2015 #41

No, no provision of a guardian. muriel_volestrangler Feb 2015 #42

I am in no way arguing with that kind of bill. I also think that there are times when family are jwirr Feb 2015 #44

+100 ND-Dem Feb 2015 #64

The Bill doesn't MANDATE, elleng Feb 2015 #26

True, but people with disabilities are worried about being pressured KamaAina Feb 2015 #29

All the talk about cutting Social Security Downwinder Feb 2015 #32

yes. or to not be a burden on their families, or on society. or to not be left to die alone, in ND-Dem Feb 2015 #65

On record as the mother of a disabled child who cannot make decisions for herself. I am also jwirr Feb 2015 #34

This is the Daily Fail being its usual misleading self LeftishBrit Feb 2015 #38

Why don't any right-to-die laws allow for the chronically ill? Padiddle Feb 2015 #49

K&R ND-Dem Feb 2015 #61

Thanks to thinking like this, liberalhistorian Feb 2015 #75

That's the same thing Robin Williams had KamaAina Feb 2015 #76

It is my understanding that Robin liberalhistorian Feb 2015 #82

I support Dr assisted suicide. WDIM Feb 2015 #80

I'm so tired of these advocates pretending they speak for all disabled people REP Feb 2015 #81

I, too, oppose institutionalization. KamaAina Feb 2015 #83

Here's another link that might help folks understand thucythucy Feb 2015 #86

K & R thucythucy Feb 2015 #85

Everyone has an expiration date DustyJoe Feb 2015 #87