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Hekate

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52. KamaAina, I am sorry for your fears, but nowhere in the existing or proposed laws...

Mon Feb 2, 2015, 08:00 PM

Feb 2015

...is there such a provision. So it's a straw man put up by opponents for various reasons. The reasons range from denial of death, to religion, to a need to control the behavior of others from birth to death.

More than almost anything in this life my late mother feared having to live in agony in a prolonged death. Many of us as we grow older and watch our parents and peers grow ill and die come to understand that point of view very well.

What people all too often ARE forced to do is engage in a prolonged death with zero quality of life. That's THEIR point of view, not "the oligarchs."

No one is going after the disabled -- society at large, which finds it acceptable to cut funding to help the disabled live, finds it unacceptable to make them die outright.

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'Like Stephen Hawking, I'm past my sell-by date but this law to help people die is wrong' [View all] KamaAina Feb 2015 OP

So she is in favor of making some people live out their last few weeks in agony n2doc Feb 2015 #1

I'm not familiar with the law - it's a UK law el_bryanto Feb 2015 #2

No, she's in favor of not giving the oligarchs the power to kill the general population woodsprite Feb 2015 #4

Uh -- The choice to die is up to the patient, not the oligarchs. Arugula Latte Feb 2015 #10

Who makes the decisions for those who are developmentally disabled and cannot make their own jwirr Feb 2015 #37

Only competent adults can make the decision muriel_volestrangler Feb 2015 #40

But shouldn't the mentally ill have the option? Padiddle Feb 2015 #46

That would introduce the problems of whether someone else is coercing them muriel_volestrangler Feb 2015 #51

That would be charmingly naive Man from Pickens Feb 2015 #84

I live in a state that has assisted suicide and that ain't happening. Arugula Latte Feb 2015 #88

But nor is anyone else. Donald Ian Rankin Feb 2015 #11

Thank YOU! smirkymonkey Feb 2015 #43

If you "had brain cancer and could no longer function or communicate" you would be SOL Hekate Feb 2015 #50

If the patient is teminal that is different. My daughter has lived with a disability for 52 years jwirr Feb 2015 #35

No one has proposed that, have they? Please show me where in the USA someone has put that in... Hekate Feb 2015 #53

I worked with a child where there was a DNR without being specific. She got a bad cold which jwirr Feb 2015 #54

It's incumbent on the person signing the DNR to be specific; it's stupid not to be Hekate Feb 2015 #60

How about the bills go "My body, my illness, my time, my way"? NightWatcher Feb 2015 #3

It really is that simple. hifiguy Feb 2015 #5

I'm getting tired of assholes forcing other people to die painful deaths. NutmegYankee Feb 2015 #6

No one is "forcing other people to die painful deaths". KamaAina Feb 2015 #7

No, that statement is not true. Donald Ian Rankin Feb 2015 #12

But that is not the current situation. Warren Stupidity Feb 2015 #17

They're forcing people to live painful lives. Padiddle Feb 2015 #47

Yes they are. NutmegYankee Feb 2015 #56

That's what I'm talking about. KamaAina Feb 2015 #57

That's not enough. NutmegYankee Feb 2015 #58

Thank you. We just had to deal with such a doctor liberalhistorian Feb 2015 #77

Her fears are not supported by evidence. Donald Ian Rankin Feb 2015 #8

Yep. It has worked beautifully here in Oregon. Arugula Latte Feb 2015 #9

Really? loyalsister Feb 2015 #55

You think that respecting her right to choose is disrespectful? Donald Ian Rankin Feb 2015 #59

She didn't hire lawyers. They represented her pro bono loyalsister Feb 2015 #74

With MS I fit the definition. Downwinder Feb 2015 #13

But would you like to have it forced on you? KamaAina Feb 2015 #14

Perhaps I should have bolded option. Downwinder Feb 2015 #15

straw man. That question is not at issue. 2banon Feb 2015 #16

nobody is forcing anything on anyone. Warren Stupidity Feb 2015 #18

I am currently at that risk if some insurance button counter Downwinder Feb 2015 #19

The insurance companies basically wrote the Oregon law. KamaAina Feb 2015 #20

A bullet is much cheaper. Downwinder Feb 2015 #21

So a patient who chooses to not treat their own chronic illness anymore should be forced Arugula Latte Feb 2015 #25

Apparently yes, according to the OP's liberalhistorian Feb 2015 #78

and therein lies what i think many perceive to be a serious flaw... 0rganism Feb 2015 #33

+100. I don't think it's accidental that assisted suicide is taking off as the boomers retire. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #62

Exactly. Nt thucythucy Feb 2015 #79

KamaAina, I am sorry for your fears, but nowhere in the existing or proposed laws... Hekate Feb 2015 #52

society at large finds it acceptable to cut funding for the disabled and to make them die outright. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #63

That is demonstrably not true. Are you peddling the Obamacare Death Panels lie, or are you simply... Hekate Feb 2015 #66

I'm familiar with disability and the treatment of the disabled. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #67

Please provide some proof to your assertions that the U.S. would go Nazi on the disabled. nt Hekate Feb 2015 #68

You think there's something special about the germans? Any population will 'go nazi' in the ND-Dem Feb 2015 #69

I'm not debating the demonstrably false with you. I asked for your proof. nt Hekate Feb 2015 #70

i'm supposed to "prove" that americans would allow disabled people to be killed under the right ND-Dem Feb 2015 #71

That's all you've got? One clearly desperate woman? No laws proposed? No Death Panels ... Hekate Feb 2015 #72

The audience voted in favor of her 'mercy-killing' her children. And here's the poll ND-Dem Feb 2015 #73

No one mentions vankuria Feb 2015 #22

I hadn't even thought of that KamaAina Feb 2015 #23

A law should provide for professional counseling. Downwinder Feb 2015 #24

Yes of course vankuria Feb 2015 #28

Provide for, but not require Padiddle Feb 2015 #48

Presumably the court would be in position to make the right decision: elleng Feb 2015 #27

Unfortunately courts did not always make the right decision vankuria Feb 2015 #30

Thank you. By the way in order to qualify for SSI my daughter had to have a living will and we did jwirr Feb 2015 #39

And thank-you Jwirr vankuria Feb 2015 #45

No, no-one can do this for anyone else, under this bill muriel_volestrangler Feb 2015 #31

Thank-you for that information vankuria Feb 2015 #36

No provision of a guardian? I sign everything for my daughter. Legally. jwirr Feb 2015 #41

No, no provision of a guardian. muriel_volestrangler Feb 2015 #42

I am in no way arguing with that kind of bill. I also think that there are times when family are jwirr Feb 2015 #44

+100 ND-Dem Feb 2015 #64

The Bill doesn't MANDATE, elleng Feb 2015 #26

True, but people with disabilities are worried about being pressured KamaAina Feb 2015 #29

All the talk about cutting Social Security Downwinder Feb 2015 #32

yes. or to not be a burden on their families, or on society. or to not be left to die alone, in ND-Dem Feb 2015 #65

On record as the mother of a disabled child who cannot make decisions for herself. I am also jwirr Feb 2015 #34

This is the Daily Fail being its usual misleading self LeftishBrit Feb 2015 #38

Why don't any right-to-die laws allow for the chronically ill? Padiddle Feb 2015 #49

K&R ND-Dem Feb 2015 #61

Thanks to thinking like this, liberalhistorian Feb 2015 #75

That's the same thing Robin Williams had KamaAina Feb 2015 #76

It is my understanding that Robin liberalhistorian Feb 2015 #82

I support Dr assisted suicide. WDIM Feb 2015 #80

I'm so tired of these advocates pretending they speak for all disabled people REP Feb 2015 #81

I, too, oppose institutionalization. KamaAina Feb 2015 #83

Here's another link that might help folks understand thucythucy Feb 2015 #86

K & R thucythucy Feb 2015 #85

Everyone has an expiration date DustyJoe Feb 2015 #87