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Cal Carpenter

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14. There is a very flawed assumption built into your OP

Mon Feb 2, 2015, 09:14 PM

Feb 2015

The vast majority of discussions about vaccinations on DU have not been insensitive about autism in any way.

You should have replied to the OP that included that cat story if it bothers you (it bothered me, too, when I read it). Instead, you've started a new thread in which you are trying to smear the 90+% of DUers who stand on the correct side of science and public health.

Vaccines do not cause autism.

Autism deserves attention (and yes I DO know many, many people with autism of varying levels of functioning and independence) and tying it to the vaccine discussion does this a disservice.

I don't know your intentions for starting this thread but the fact is it is misguided and divisive.

you say: " the lack of compassion in all the anti-vaccination threads"

Really?

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I'm really disgusted by the lack of compassion in all the anti-vaccination threads [View all] fried eggs Feb 2015 OP

I'm really disgusted that people have the onecaliberal Feb 2015 #1

I'm thinking that the autism model needs to be refined. It reminds me roguevalley Feb 2015 #131

I couldn't agree more. onecaliberal Feb 2015 #132

Get your kid a shot underpants Feb 2015 #2

This message was self-deleted by its author fried eggs Feb 2015 #15

Ok underpants Feb 2015 #22

huh, my friend got her son diagnosed by a regular pediatrician. Her son was 3. uppityperson Feb 2015 #23

The guy who wrote that study lost his license to practice medicine. Fuck onecaliberal Feb 2015 #32

This message was self-deleted by its author fried eggs Feb 2015 #42

No fucking way will I show compassion to anyone onecaliberal Feb 2015 #52

This message was self-deleted by its author fried eggs Feb 2015 #56

You're assuming they can be swayed at all. NuclearDem Feb 2015 #57

Society will shun and isolate them. onecaliberal Feb 2015 #58

Study: You Can't Change an Anti-Vaxxer's Mind zappaman Feb 2015 #60

This message was self-deleted by its author fried eggs Feb 2015 #69

Autism has been around longer than vaccines. onecaliberal Feb 2015 #72

This message was self-deleted by its author fried eggs Feb 2015 #81

My reply was NOT to you. Now you can onecaliberal Feb 2015 #86

Have you confused "compassion" with "enabling"? Liberal Veteran Feb 2015 #59

That's exactly it. OP confuses compassion with enabling. Nt stevenleser Feb 2015 #104

Again, fuck those people. If they were worried about their kids, they'd have TransitJohn Feb 2015 #122

Really? xmas74 Feb 2015 #79

This message was self-deleted by its author fried eggs Feb 2015 #85

Not "cool story, bro". xmas74 Feb 2015 #90

This message was self-deleted by its author fried eggs Feb 2015 #93

Well, they do it around here. xmas74 Feb 2015 #102

"such as developmental pediatricians, psychologists, speech and language therapists, and others" uppityperson Feb 2015 #110

In my cousin's case, a coworker, who is a psychologist, xmas74 Feb 2015 #115

No. Fuck the anti-vaxxers.. SidDithers Feb 2015 #3

In this case I actually agree with Sid - TBF Feb 2015 #7

I totally agree gopiscrap Feb 2015 #13

This right here. Iggo Feb 2015 #24

BRAVO! MohRokTah Feb 2015 #28

This message was self-deleted by its author fried eggs Feb 2015 #33

didn't you wrote "BULLSHIT" up thread? uppityperson Feb 2015 #39

Looks like the winner right here. bigwillq Feb 2015 #87

The primary reason for the growth in autism diagnoses was the alteration of the definition of autism MohRokTah Feb 2015 #40

This message was self-deleted by its author fried eggs Feb 2015 #48

Right, you clearly have no idea what you're talking about. NuclearDem Feb 2015 #50

You apparently didn't realize the terminology pre-definition change. MohRokTah Feb 2015 #53

This message was self-deleted by its author fried eggs Feb 2015 #63

No, they are displaying anti-social behavior over pure idiocy. MohRokTah Feb 2015 #65

Why? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2015 #47

This message was self-deleted by its author fried eggs Feb 2015 #54

This is the weirdest thing pipi_k Feb 2015 #138

Guess what? Warpy Feb 2015 #88

It's not just California, only two States have no exemption for belief. Just two. Bluenorthwest Feb 2015 #142

I agree. HappyMe Feb 2015 #141

Correlation is not causation - TBF Feb 2015 #4

There is actually some data -- still anecdotal as far as I know -- suggesting causal relationship(s) KingCharlemagne Feb 2015 #83

That is an article about co-morbitity of symptoms TBF Feb 2015 #100

Sorry, my mind was moving too fast. The info about rocket fuel and early-onset bipolar comes from KingCharlemagne Feb 2015 #111

Great - thank you for the TBF Feb 2015 #117

This message was self-deleted by its author fried eggs Feb 2015 #120

You can have compassion for people who will lose a child to preventable diseases Kalidurga Feb 2015 #5

They are kooks and an active threat to public health. geek tragedy Feb 2015 #6

Vaccines don't cause autism. zappaman Feb 2015 #8

And he lost his medical license Gothmog Feb 2015 #161

So, the bottom line is you can't fix stupid? Liberal Veteran Feb 2015 #9

somewhere in between is the answer... Chakaconcarne Feb 2015 #10

Got a non-batshit-insane cite for your batshit insane claim? geek tragedy Feb 2015 #21

No. Reality is not a mathematical average between science and pseudo-science. Barack_America Feb 2015 #31

Of course we can dismiss their experiences, because people fucking suck at being... Humanist_Activist Feb 2015 #34

3 comments uppityperson Feb 2015 #36

Vaccines don't have a damned thing to do with autism. NuclearDem Feb 2015 #44

Well, show us the evidence. Adrahil Feb 2015 #89

I'm really disgusted by the anti-vaxxers. There is no proof that vaccination leads to autism. Autumn Feb 2015 #11

Please post your scientific proof Texasgal Feb 2015 #12

There is a very flawed assumption built into your OP Cal Carpenter Feb 2015 #14

Since the connection and autism has been proven incorrect and the doctor Thinkingabout Feb 2015 #16

I don't think anyone should make fun of those with autism dissentient Feb 2015 #17

no one is mocking autism, but they do mock those who risk public and their child's uppityperson Feb 2015 #18

This message was self-deleted by its author fried eggs Feb 2015 #38

you obviously did not read the list you are replying to. nt uppityperson Feb 2015 #41

Ugh. Please, just stop. Butterbean Feb 2015 #19

There is no link between vaccines and autism. None. Barack_America Feb 2015 #20

Autism and vaccines have precisely NOTHING to do with each other. MohRokTah Feb 2015 #25

As am I. Avoiding vaccinations makes no sense from a risk management standpoint Strelnikov_ Feb 2015 #26

And the evidence shows NO connection between vaccines and autism. Adrahil Feb 2015 #27

Autism has nothing to do with vaccines. Stop pushing ignorance. on point Feb 2015 #29

+1 sakabatou Feb 2015 #156

. MohRokTah Feb 2015 #30

ROFL. Barack_America Feb 2015 #35

But autism has nothing to do with vaccination. The two shouldn't even be associated. chrisa Feb 2015 #37

Yes. And I know adults with autism loyalsister Feb 2015 #43

Autism begins in the womb, according to a new study (2014) Agnosticsherbet Feb 2015 #45

I'm a speech-language pathologist, and I work with children with autism all day. phylny Feb 2015 #46

This message was self-deleted by its author fried eggs Feb 2015 #78

Toddler mode? Dr Hobbitstein Feb 2015 #97

This message was self-deleted by its author fried eggs Feb 2015 #106

My friends son is asd as well Dr Hobbitstein Feb 2015 #113

It's not a choice. There is no connection between vaccines and autism. LisaL Feb 2015 #101

Yes, it is a serious question lunamagica Feb 2015 #109

people with autism are "stuck in toddler mode for life"? uppityperson Feb 2015 #116

The OP shows his complete ignorance Dr Hobbitstein Feb 2015 #127

it is something. uppityperson Feb 2015 #129

What other anti-science views should I show compassion for? tammywammy Feb 2015 #49

and it continues in this thread 0rganism Feb 2015 #51

Except absolutely fucking no one would have been thinking about autism and vaccines NuclearDem Feb 2015 #55

and i pretty much agree with you 0rganism Feb 2015 #62

I agree with you on this. Chemisse Feb 2015 #73

if they make important health decisons for their kids on the basis of "fads" bettyellen Feb 2015 #126

They are indeed idiots. Arugula Latte Feb 2015 #148

Compassion is fine. Supporting them in conspiracy theories is not. Butterbean Feb 2015 #74

Thank you. Liberal Veteran Feb 2015 #76

would you agree that this is a social problem that must be addressed on a societal scale? 0rganism Feb 2015 #84

Yes, I get what you're saying. Butterbean Feb 2015 #91

This message was self-deleted by its author fried eggs Feb 2015 #96

If people aren't willing to think logically and read the available evidence mythology Feb 2015 #119

My empathy and reading comprehension are just fine, thank you very much. TransitJohn Feb 2015 #125

Has anyone ever known a child whose mom had measles while pregnant with them? vankuria Feb 2015 #61

I did the same kind of work. xmas74 Feb 2015 #92

Right On xmas74! vankuria Feb 2015 #94

Of course the OP is arguing with me upthread xmas74 Feb 2015 #103

If the vaccinations actually did cause some cases of autism, Chemisse Feb 2015 #64

I'll rec this thread arikara Feb 2015 #66

"I swear the pharmaceutical companies have co-opted DU" zappaman Feb 2015 #68

Yes, because people sick of anti-science bullshit NuclearDem Feb 2015 #71

This message was self-deleted by its author fried eggs Feb 2015 #95

I beg your pardon? Where is the 100% safe meme being blindly repeated? Liberal Veteran Feb 2015 #107

I know several parents with autistic children, and *none* of them support the anti-vaxxers fishwax Feb 2015 #67

Really, because there could possibly be nothing else that would cause autism? PumpkinAle Feb 2015 #70

ASD is not contagious - or deadly. Ruby the Liberal Feb 2015 #75

I worked in mental health for six years. xmas74 Feb 2015 #77

Wakefield was lying. shenmue Feb 2015 #80

Nope rjsquirrel Feb 2015 #82

I'm really disgusted by the lack of compassion for those who might be affected by Avalux Feb 2015 #98

Clearly there is no evidence that vaccinations cause autism, Vattel Feb 2015 #99

Compassion for what? LisaL Feb 2015 #108

I think what they are trying to ask us to do is enable their irrationality. Liberal Veteran Feb 2015 #114

If I didn't have compassion for people with irrational beliefs, Vattel Feb 2015 #123

Very very true. NCTraveler Feb 2015 #149

My son has Autism. Vaccinations DO NOT CAUSE AUTISM nakocal Feb 2015 #105

Bravo! xmas74 Feb 2015 #112

Ok, fine bluestateguy Feb 2015 #118

What does any of that have to do with blaming autism on vaccination being fucking stupid? TransitJohn Feb 2015 #121

No. distantearlywarning Feb 2015 #124

my brother is severely autistic Skittles Feb 2015 #128

Where do you get your facts? dem in texas Feb 2015 #130

Sorry. No compassion. They're kooks. Aristus Feb 2015 #133

People were also disgusted by Mark Twain and Voltaire for mocking deeply held beliefs LanternWaste Feb 2015 #134

Tim Minchin has a great couple of lines in his song "White wine in the Sun"... SidDithers Feb 2015 #144

That was your takeaway? Orsino Feb 2015 #135

This autism myth has been debunked time and time again in peer-reviewed studies. Arugula Latte Feb 2015 #136

Apples and oranges. LannyDeVaney Feb 2015 #137

Judging by the amount of posts fried eggs deleted... Lancero Feb 2015 #139

I'm disgusted by the anti-science nutbags putting everyone at risk needlessly. we can do it Feb 2015 #140

Autism sucks and it has an environmental trigger. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2015 #143

This is a great comment. onecaliberal Feb 2015 #163

My compassion is reserved for the children endangered by the fearful stupidity of their parents. Bluenorthwest Feb 2015 #145

There is zero evidence that vaccines cause autism...Jenny McCarthy doesn't have a Phd in Science adigal Feb 2015 #146

I feel sorry for all the parents who have been falsely led to believe that vaccinations caused their Douglas Carpenter Feb 2015 #147

Oh look who it is, fried eggs. Rex Feb 2015 #150

Funny, the replies of the Ghost Poster have magically disappeared! Arugula Latte Feb 2015 #160

This message was self-deleted by its author CountAllVotes Feb 2015 #151

I do have friends with autistic children randr Feb 2015 #152

And I'm disgusted by cowards who post flamebait, kiva Feb 2015 #153

I have an autistic child and a dead child. bravenak Feb 2015 #154

So the EBOLA virus or Marburg Virus or Hantavirus breaks out and a pandemic is possible NoJusticeNoPeace Feb 2015 #155

Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2015 #157

The cat with autism was very bad taste. WDIM Feb 2015 #158

You have a tenuous nexus here at best Cary Feb 2015 #159

Please. F4lconF16 Feb 2015 #162

The autism was not caused by the vaccine treestar Feb 2015 #164

I'm disgusted by the lack of compassion for people who think their kids are demon-possessed... brooklynite Feb 2015 #165