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Douglas Carpenter

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35. unfortunatley for the the past 30+ years fighting to hold on to the status quo has been the modus

Fri Dec 23, 2011, 12:49 AM

Dec 2011

operandi almost constantly at least on economic issues. From the late 70's and greatly accelerating under Reagan - holding back the tide of reactionary policies has been pretty much the best we can do even when we have had Democratic presidents. Even when we have had minor steps of progress – it has always involved accepting completely unacceptable policies as part of the package that once even respectable Republicans would have bulked at. But what can we do? But I will say that compared to the reactionary steps that were taken in the 90's with the full support of a Democratic president - the modus operandi has become less reactionary. I guess that's progress?

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They caved! It's a testatment to how far we've fallen that [View all] MannyGoldstein Dec 2011 OP

I dig it Manny. nm rhett o rick Dec 2011 #1

That's the TeaNuts for you. VOTE THEM THE FUCK OUT IN NOVEMBER ! RBInMaine Dec 2011 #2

How is a two month extension a victory? Immediately after the holidays the fight will doc03 Dec 2011 #3

so, did they also pass to shorten the unemployment benefits? newspeak Dec 2011 #50

Wait ProSense Dec 2011 #4

I think he is saying polmaven Dec 2011 #55

It's a testatment to how far we've fallen that a tax break that helps millions of American's... joshcryer Dec 2011 #5

It's not actually a tax break. It is a reduction in funding the public pension fund. Luminous Animal Dec 2011 #6

The unemployment insurance extension and the payroll tax break extension are a stimulus for... joshcryer Dec 2011 #7

If you want to sit home, be my guest. Luminous Animal Dec 2011 #8

Enjoy yourself when you get that same talking point thrown at you from the right. joshcryer Dec 2011 #10

I anticipate those talking points. Apparently, so do you... Luminous Animal Dec 2011 #14

SS, Medicare, etc, can all be cut in one fell swoop if we don't get the right people in office. joshcryer Dec 2011 #15

How is cutting contributions to the public pension fund progressive? Luminous Animal Dec 2011 #17

Yawn, it's not leading to insolvency, thus it is a non-issue. joshcryer Dec 2011 #19

Exactly. It will be used by the right wingers because it is a right wing idea. Luminous Animal Dec 2011 #28

Only if you perpetuate the false meme that it is leading to insolvency. joshcryer Dec 2011 #29

I never once said it was leading to insulvency. Luminous Animal Dec 2011 #38

You said, quite plainly, "it cracks the door ajar to make SS partially dependent on General Funds." joshcryer Dec 2011 #42

I've read an reread that sentence and still can't see any reference to insolvency. Luminous Animal Dec 2011 #44

It's a continuation of the right wing meme, imo. joshcryer Dec 2011 #45

I've been listening to the right come up with a multiple of schemes... Luminous Animal Dec 2011 #46

BTW, I'll note, typically, you have nothing to say about unemployment extensions. joshcryer Dec 2011 #20

Do you think that having a job is privileged? Luminous Animal Dec 2011 #21

No, not appreciating the situation of others is likely a result of privilege. joshcryer Dec 2011 #23

My husband says to tell you that since privilege is 99% out of our reach, Luminous Animal Dec 2011 #33

The other options would be naivety or ignorance. joshcryer Dec 2011 #36

Definitely. I'm going with sociopath. Please respect that and Luminous Animal Dec 2011 #39

Interesting, I don't know many self-described sociopaths. joshcryer Dec 2011 #41

Until you mentioned the possibilty, it hadn't occured to us. Luminous Animal Dec 2011 #43

it's a fine pursuit BobbyBoring Dec 2011 #61

I Think It's Clear RobinA Dec 2011 #56

Some day, those getting this tax cut will regret it because it is going to be used JDPriestly Dec 2011 #59

All taxes fund something. It is, factually speaking, a temporary tax break continuation. Honeycombe8 Dec 2011 #11

Exactly ... should never have been enacted BOHICA12 Dec 2011 #12

Good luck getting that passed in a bipartisan manner. joshcryer Dec 2011 #13

December 2010 - was the only window BOHICA12 Dec 2011 #24

And that's if you put your full faith in Lieberman. joshcryer Dec 2011 #34

No, that could have been passed without Lieberman in 2009 or 2010. eomer Dec 2011 #47

Please stop parroting that right wing talking point, which happens to be a LIE. jefferson_dem Dec 2011 #26

The payroll tax cut tranfers the obligation to pay part of Social Security JDPriestly Dec 2011 #60

It is maintaining the status quo whopis01 Dec 2011 #49

K&R. Brickbat Dec 2011 #9

Sometimes a weenie is just a weenie rufus dog Dec 2011 #16

I love you. MannyGoldstein Dec 2011 #18

God called me rufus dog Dec 2011 #22

Real relief for 160M working Americans, during these tough economic times ... jefferson_dem Dec 2011 #25

What will be different January 1st than it is today? MannyGoldstein Dec 2011 #27

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How would we know this MannyGoldstein Dec 2011 #31

We know this because even lesser stuff is hard enough to get passed. joshcryer Dec 2011 #32

We're not going to agree on this. MannyGoldstein Dec 2011 #37

No, absolutely, I think if we do fight, we can make headway. The "caving" only proves it. joshcryer Dec 2011 #40

unfortunatley for the the past 30+ years fighting to hold on to the status quo has been the modus Douglas Carpenter Dec 2011 #35

It's a victory in that they agreed to a 2 month compromise without requiring mmonk Dec 2011 #48

Yes, ProSense Dec 2011 #51

Trashed...nt SidDithers Dec 2011 #52

But you can sober up this afternoon...nt MannyGoldstein Dec 2011 #54

It's my hope that Obama will realize that he can do this A LOT. Autumn Dec 2011 #53

made possible by allowing a few blowhards with big microphones to stand on every corner and stump in certainot Dec 2011 #57

This is really a win for Republicans like Pete Peterson and a loss for Democrats. JDPriestly Dec 2011 #58