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LeftishBrit

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43. Also, Wakefield was not concerned with mercury
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 05:37 PM
Feb 2015

There are two totally different theories: (1) Wakefield's theory that the measles component of the MMR vaccine is a risk factor for autism, and therefore, illogically, that a single measles vaccine (such as the one that he was trying to patent!) would be safer; and (2) the theory put forward by some American vaccine critics that the mercury preservative is the risk factor. These are not the same theory, or even particularly compatible theories: the MMR vaccine never contained any mercury. But, especially since Wakefield moved to America, there has been a lot of cross-fertilization between the two theories.

There is evidence against both theories. The MMR was shown not to cause autism, when it was withdrawn and then reintroduced in Japan, without any effect on autism rates. And the mercury theory was contradicted by the fact that mercury was removed from almost all vaccines that did contain it (flu vaccines do sometimes contain it; but, at least in the UK, children who get the flu vaccine usually get a nasal spray which does not have any mercury preservative); and yet autism rates did not go down.

Moreover, while autism is more frequently diagnosed than in the past, this seems to be mainly due to greater awareness of autism, combined with some changes in diagnostic criteria. 30 or 40 years ago, people with higher functioning autism or Asperger syndrome tended to be diagnosed as 'emotionally disturbed', 'maladjusted', 'language delayed' or often just 'a bit odd'; and people with severe autism tended to be regarded as simply 'mentally handicapped' or as 'childhood schizophrenics': a diagnosis almost never used now. A recent study in the UK indicated that, when people of all ages were assessed according to current diagnostic criteria, there was a similar incidence of autism in all age groups: about one per cent. The only difference was that the children often already had an autistic spectrum diagnosis, while adults often had other diagnoses or none.

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I'm curious. Anti-vaxxers have the statistic that says cases of autism louis-t Feb 2015 #1
Good one! KamaAina Feb 2015 #2
data, shmata central scrutinizer Feb 2015 #4
They will tell you no one has done the research... Act_of_Reparation Feb 2015 #6
They tell me that the CDC is in on the conspiracy. eom Blanks Feb 2015 #81
Oh, louis-t... Maedhros Feb 2015 #11
Moreover, why isn't the autism rate among adults born in the 50s and 60s higher? Drunken Irishman Feb 2015 #24
And what about before the vaccines were available? Were there autistic people then? Has anyone jwirr Feb 2015 #37
Stop. Just stop now. Lucky Luciano Feb 2015 #41
THAT'S the Elephant in the room that anti-vaxxers don't want to incorporate into their thinking. BlueJazz Feb 2015 #42
Moreover, if mercury is the cause... LeftishBrit Feb 2015 #45
I was born in '64. KamaAina Feb 2015 #54
Because they give many more shots to kids now than they did in the fifties and during a closer classykaren Feb 2015 #68
That's the thing about stats. AngryDem001 Feb 2015 #26
If you are talking about imthevicar Feb 2015 #66
knr Douglas Carpenter Feb 2015 #3
shouldn't the issue be about mercury in the vaxx? wordpix Feb 2015 #5
See the pic of the day on the home page Curmudgeoness Feb 2015 #7
Sorry, responded to wrong post. self-delete AllyCat Feb 2015 #30
That, aluminium, and the timing of vaxing of infants. Mika Feb 2015 #8
Two words. Dr Hobbitstein Feb 2015 #9
Post removed Post removed Feb 2015 #12
If you can't win an argument with facts, Dr Hobbitstein Feb 2015 #15
The Arizona Center for Advanced Medicine does not perform original research. Maedhros Feb 2015 #14
They practice homeopathy there... Dr Hobbitstein Feb 2015 #18
Do you eat bread? Look at the ingredients. It contains an aluminum adjuvant too. AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #16
Discussion is killing people! lumberjack_jeff Feb 2015 #17
Juror #3 is missing the point here... Dr Hobbitstein Feb 2015 #22
I was number 4 and I stand by my statement. zappaman Feb 2015 #28
+1 Dr Hobbitstein Feb 2015 #35
Good vote kcr Feb 2015 #44
Thank you. Chellee Feb 2015 #50
Exactly right. nt SunSeeker Feb 2015 #51
+1. NT NutmegYankee Feb 2015 #64
Yep. n/t SomeGuyInEagan Feb 2015 #65
I'm not sure I agree... Blanks Feb 2015 #83
"The flu vaccine continues to be preserved with mercury" AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #19
A staggeringly dumb article... SidDithers Feb 2015 #29
This was left to stand by 4-3 vote. Lots of unimformed folks here. HERVEPA Feb 2015 #32
Creative speculstion is thataway ---> bettyellen Feb 2015 #59
Thimerasol was removed from vaccines due to public demand. Dr Hobbitstein Feb 2015 #10
^^^This AllyCat Feb 2015 #31
Also, Wakefield was not concerned with mercury LeftishBrit Feb 2015 #43
No, it isn't. It's only present in the multi-dose vials now as a preservative. AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #13
If there had been a link, we'd have seen a decline in diagnosed autism Warpy Feb 2015 #36
Flu vaccines - including vaccines approved for use by children as young as 6 months Ms. Toad Feb 2015 #79
I have Aspergers. Vaccinate your kids!!! Spiggitzfan Feb 2015 #20
Welcome to DU, fellow spectrumite! KamaAina Feb 2015 #21
Hi! Spiggitzfan Feb 2015 #23
Welcome to DU! Dr Hobbitstein Feb 2015 #25
Yeah, Aspie have a spectrum too. Spiggitzfan Feb 2015 #40
Well said fellow aspie! janlyn Feb 2015 #27
Thank you. Spiggitzfan Feb 2015 #38
Correct, and diverting money to investigating Wakefield's claims has diverted it away Warpy Feb 2015 #33
Well said and welcome! AllyCat Feb 2015 #34
Thank you. Spiggitzfan Feb 2015 #39
Welcome! Aristus Feb 2015 #49
Thank you for your insights and wisdom. greatlaurel Feb 2015 #61
k&r LeftishBrit Feb 2015 #46
K and R with tears in my eyes DonCoquixote Feb 2015 #47
the anti-science and anti-intellectual culture of this simpleton redneck nation is headache inducing TimeToEvolve Feb 2015 #48
Never ceases to amaze me, either. K&R +100 Jefferson23 Feb 2015 #52
Do DU members really want to ban anti-vaccine members from DU? mackerel Feb 2015 #53
It's not a "difference in opinion" EvolveOrConvolve Feb 2015 #55
Anti-vaxxers have no place on DU. NuclearDem Feb 2015 #56
I would absolutely like to see anti-vaxx quackery banned. Marr Feb 2015 #57
I do. zappaman Feb 2015 #58
Exactly what part of the anti-vax argument warrants a platform like DU? cleanhippie Feb 2015 #60
There's a difference between discussing different opinions... cab67 Feb 2015 #67
But shouldn't the line be drawn between differing opinions and outright stupidity? alp227 Feb 2015 #80
Really? There is a lot of stupid on here regardless of McCarthy or Wakefield links. mackerel Feb 2015 #84
These vaccination discussions should go to Creative Speculation imho steve2470 Feb 2015 #85
What Sarah Palin is to politics, Unknown Beatle Feb 2015 #62
See..? 2naSalit Feb 2015 #63
I think it's worth noting chervilant Feb 2015 #69
No, they'll declare it a healthy medical proceedure jeff47 Feb 2015 #70
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I am a parent of an autistic son. mmonk Feb 2015 #75
You must be very impressed indeed to have posted that rant three times. KamaAina Feb 2015 #76
They are all #71, computer or internet or program glitched while they were posting it once. uppityperson Feb 2015 #82
"Toxin purges"? NuclearDem Feb 2015 #77
Another point to ponder: Autism is being diagnosed earlier and earlier. KamaAina Feb 2015 #74
The vaccines is protection for our children, this should be a no-brainer. I am a great fan of Thinkingabout Feb 2015 #78
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