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JustAnotherGen

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85. yep they are

Wed Feb 4, 2015, 08:22 AM

Feb 2015

Especially because for this black woman in America spent a lot of seders with a her mother's paternal grandparents. I *get* it. There are things I get that perhaps you can't?

She can be certain of some things - because it's is HOW she has experienced her country. Much as I've experienced mine.

What right do you or I have to tell her how she has experienced it was wrong?

I believe her. It's her experience - her voice.

Her reality rides over my perception and yours.

ETA - but you DO agree that she is NOT an Israeli and could not have voted for NetanCrayCray so it's not her responsibility for what their government does - right? Because my country being all kissy face with the Saudis does not make me responsible for their stoning and beheadings.

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Rising anti-Semitism: ‘The Pianist’ actress considers leaving UK [View all] Bonobo Feb 2015 OP

Recently I saw that the UK's least favorite countries are "Russia" and "Israel" Bonobo Feb 2015 #1

True. NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #2

There's ALWAYS some reason that can be found to blame the victims, but as she said... Bonobo Feb 2015 #3

4000 years of what? starroute Feb 2015 #13

Sorry, I should have said 1,500 years. Bonobo Feb 2015 #14

1200 years. and you're saying anti-semitism began from the moment there were jews? ND-Dem Feb 2015 #19

When do you think it began? Behind the Aegis Feb 2015 #20

i have no idea when it began and of course it exists. but i doubt it began 1200 years ago, as soon ND-Dem Feb 2015 #21

Jews didn't "begin" 1200 years ago. Behind the Aegis Feb 2015 #22

i said "as soon as there were jews" not that "jews began". and i should have said 1200 BC, ND-Dem Feb 2015 #23

Hmmm...ain't that the same thing you did to Bonobo? Behind the Aegis Feb 2015 #24

no. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #26

If you say so. Behind the Aegis Feb 2015 #27

Give him a break man... Bonobo Feb 2015 #29

I noticed the same thing leftynyc Feb 2015 #75

So 3200 Dorian Gray Feb 2015 #72

As far as I'm concerned, the two only go together for anti-semites. Chef Eric Feb 2015 #7

I totally agree... Bonobo Feb 2015 #9

+2 nomorenomore08 Feb 2015 #135

In both those cases, recent conflicts are the main reason muriel_volestrangler Feb 2015 #25

Anti-Semitic attacks up 36 percent. Bonobo Feb 2015 #30

I replied to your post about the poll, not to your OP muriel_volestrangler Feb 2015 #32

Never understood the Jewish hate thing. I've even asked people to explain it to me and I get.. BlueJazz Feb 2015 #4

Everyone needs an "Other". Bonobo Feb 2015 #5

"Jews are the non-white whites that everyone can hate." Behind the Aegis Feb 2015 #11

Brilliant! JustAnotherGen Feb 2015 #37

Cool signature. NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #6

Thank you. Maybe that's why I've never developed those feelings. I don't believe in any of ... BlueJazz Feb 2015 #8

It is amazing how little people actually know about anti-Semitism. Behind the Aegis Feb 2015 #10

I really don't blame them though. Bonobo Feb 2015 #12

I still have to occasionally tell someone... NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #15

I have to explain "Jew" is a noun not an adjective. Behind the Aegis Feb 2015 #16

This message was self-deleted by its author Exhibit A Feb 2015 #17

I do blame some. Behind the Aegis Feb 2015 #18

+ 1,000,000...Bta, you nailed it. Rhinodawg Feb 2015 #41

Great Post, BtA leftynyc Feb 2015 #77

Excellent post. nomorenomore08 Feb 2015 #136

I never understood the "you killed Christ" bit Lydia Leftcoast Feb 2015 #111

You'd think they would THANK us! Bonobo Feb 2015 #112

I know. It literally makes no sense, in terms of Christianity. nomorenomore08 Feb 2015 #137

Anti-SOMETHING has existed for eons ann--- Feb 2015 #34

Did I or any one claim anything differently? Behind the Aegis Feb 2015 #36

I'm not playing that game - not falling for it JustAnotherGen Feb 2015 #38

Solidarity! Bonobo Feb 2015 #47

And I stand with you! Behind the Aegis Feb 2015 #67

And STILL JustAnotherGen Feb 2015 #79

Some would like to forget this or now say that it never happened. grossproffit Feb 2015 #103

Seriously? NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #61

Or as another poster put it... Behind the Aegis Feb 2015 #65

She sure did JustAnotherGen Feb 2015 #86

Of course it did. LeftishBrit Feb 2015 #122

I have always believed it's linked to the lack of a homeland issue. parkia00 Feb 2015 #51

There you go. That's the best explanation I've ever heard. Thanks! BlueJazz Feb 2015 #55

Neither do I. smirkymonkey Feb 2015 #54

Actually, the economy already dried up 5 years ago. DetlefK Feb 2015 #28

As has been said on this very thread Bonobo Feb 2015 #31

Being anti-war on ann--- Feb 2015 #35

Except she's not an Israeli JustAnotherGen Feb 2015 #40

Are they? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2015 #81

yep they are JustAnotherGen Feb 2015 #85

But she's not making statements just about her. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2015 #88

What does that have to do with Jews in England? hack89 Feb 2015 #46

Are you that naive? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2015 #84

I was replying to someone who was justifying such behavior hack89 Feb 2015 #87

I suspect you don't even realize leftynyc Feb 2015 #78

Nothing, in the minds of nuanced, rational people. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2015 #89

So what do you think about leftynyc Feb 2015 #91

I think it points out a facet of reality, while actually also being illogical. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2015 #94

My point is that leftynyc Feb 2015 #126

I sincerely doubt people are that politically aware in their thinking, though. randome Feb 2015 #92

It's an excuse, though. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2015 #95

Got it. And agree. randome Feb 2015 #99

In the OP, she says that antisemitism in the UK is not related to Israel's policies in the West Bank muriel_volestrangler Feb 2015 #93

Really. How would you feel if your neighbors were shooting rockets at you day in and day out? eom grossproffit Feb 2015 #102

Well, ann--- Feb 2015 #107

So, you'd be okay with them bombing your children while they sleep. Gotcha. grossproffit Feb 2015 #124

That isn't what ann--- Feb 2015 #125

Will you ever just answer a question? NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #130

I care that ann--- Feb 2015 #133

Glad to know that. NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #134

But punishing Europaean Jews for the actions of the Israel government IS antisemitism LeftishBrit Feb 2015 #129

That's not difficult. DetlefK Feb 2015 #39

Anti-semitism... so watered down. Solindsey Feb 2015 #42

^^^ This post right here proves the point made in the article. eom MohRokTah Feb 2015 #96

Though it did make a sudden jump after the Gaza war, it had in fact been increasing for a while LeftishBrit Feb 2015 #132

Once she can ann--- Feb 2015 #33

So every Jew in the world bears some blame for Israel's actions? hack89 Feb 2015 #44

Oh lord.... Rhinodawg Feb 2015 #45

By that logic, you would have to give your strong approval to anyone who criticized Muslims for the Bluenorthwest Feb 2015 #48

I'm not sure ann--- Feb 2015 #52

You understand it. You make use of a double standard. Bluenorthwest Feb 2015 #53

Nope ann--- Feb 2015 #70

You most certainly are doing that leftynyc Feb 2015 #82

Your post is an embarrassment to leftynyc Feb 2015 #80

And another post that proves precisely the point in the article. eom MohRokTah Feb 2015 #97

Which British Jews voted for Nuttyahoo? LeftishBrit Feb 2015 #120

Gee, I wonder why Jews in the UK and France want out? Rhinodawg Feb 2015 #43

Of course, you can never say it. smirkymonkey Feb 2015 #56

Ask yourself what led to the historic spikes of Antisemitism and you'll have an answer LanternWaste Feb 2015 #57

HorseS*** Rhinodawg Feb 2015 #58

Oh come on! Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2015 #90

I have asked myself and I don't see a reason. Chef Eric Feb 2015 #66

I asked myself leftynyc Feb 2015 #83

(1) Economic crises; (2) I/P conflict - but I don't think that's the main source; (3) Increasing LeftishBrit Feb 2015 #121

Hardly an "acclaimed actress"! mr blur Feb 2015 #49

She is a contantly working actor, twice nominated for BAFTA awards, she works in every medium Bluenorthwest Feb 2015 #50

Are you sure it's not the constant mis- pronouncing of the movie title? lame54 Feb 2015 #59

The Community Security Trust itself links anti-semitic attack rates to war in Gaza muriel_volestrangler Feb 2015 #60

Attacking British Jews because of Israel Bonobo Feb 2015 #62

Yes, it is vicious anti-semitism; but Lipman's suggestion of the cause of the rise makes no sense muriel_volestrangler Feb 2015 #63

Fine and that makes no difference at all to Jews who must face the reality. Bonobo Feb 2015 #64

I think it's both. LeftishBrit Feb 2015 #119

Stirred the hornest's nest again. Behind the Aegis Feb 2015 #68

I think it established one thing quite clearly. Bonobo Feb 2015 #69

Then how do you ann--- Feb 2015 #71

Wow. You really don't get it. Bonobo Feb 2015 #73

It is related ann--- Feb 2015 #74

Your confusion is...confusing Bonobo Feb 2015 #76

In re your 'tough questions'... Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2015 #100

There have always been reasons to attack Jews. Somehow they always seem to be justifiable to some. Bonobo Feb 2015 #104

So nothing ever changes in your world. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2015 #105

I don't understand what you mean by that. Bonobo Feb 2015 #106

Look again. At ALL my comments. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2015 #108

If your entire point is to say that anti-semites use Israel as an excuse Bonobo Feb 2015 #109

Well my point was not 'Israel' per se Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2015 #113

It is still a HORRIBLE analogy by any measure. Bonobo Feb 2015 #115

Are you an American? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2015 #117

Yes and the answer is because we have a vote Bonobo Feb 2015 #118

This thread has really revealed the rampant anti-semitism on DU. MohRokTah Feb 2015 #98

It's utterly disgusting. I can't believe these people are members of my beloved party. grossproffit Feb 2015 #101

It sure does - doesn't it? JustAnotherGen Feb 2015 #127

poor baby enid602 Feb 2015 #110

Yup, damn that woman! Bonobo Feb 2015 #114

WTF does a British actress of Jewish descent have to do with "average Palestinians"? nomorenomore08 Feb 2015 #138

Of course RT.com has an agenda to portray Europe this way. randome Feb 2015 #116

Sorry, but she's wrong about it having nothing to do with Gaza or the West Bank. Spider Jerusalem Feb 2015 #123

No, we still have plenty of the old-fashioned skinhead variety... LeftishBrit Feb 2015 #128

Good post. nt Bonobo Feb 2015 #131