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LeftishBrit

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119. I think it's both.

Reply to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #63)

Wed Feb 4, 2015, 11:43 AM

Feb 2015

Certainly the Middle East conflict gets used as an excuse by anti-Semites; just as Al Quaeda/ISIS terrorist attacks get used by Islamophobes. Hate crimes tend to spike after Israeli-Palestinian eruptions (when there are increasing hate crimes against Jews) or terrorist attacks (when there are increasing hate crimes against Muslims)

But I do think a lot of it - whether with Jews, Muslims, immigrants, or disabled people - is related to the economy and a general rise in insecurity causing scapegoating, and also causing an increased tendency to seek for 'simple' solutions, which are often linked to bigotry. After all, it is not logical to attack British Jews for the actions of the Israeli government, or British Muslims (most of whom are not even from the Middle East) for the actions of ISIS.

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Rising anti-Semitism: ‘The Pianist’ actress considers leaving UK [View all] Bonobo Feb 2015 OP

Recently I saw that the UK's least favorite countries are "Russia" and "Israel" Bonobo Feb 2015 #1

True. NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #2

There's ALWAYS some reason that can be found to blame the victims, but as she said... Bonobo Feb 2015 #3

4000 years of what? starroute Feb 2015 #13

Sorry, I should have said 1,500 years. Bonobo Feb 2015 #14

1200 years. and you're saying anti-semitism began from the moment there were jews? ND-Dem Feb 2015 #19

When do you think it began? Behind the Aegis Feb 2015 #20

i have no idea when it began and of course it exists. but i doubt it began 1200 years ago, as soon ND-Dem Feb 2015 #21

Jews didn't "begin" 1200 years ago. Behind the Aegis Feb 2015 #22

i said "as soon as there were jews" not that "jews began". and i should have said 1200 BC, ND-Dem Feb 2015 #23

Hmmm...ain't that the same thing you did to Bonobo? Behind the Aegis Feb 2015 #24

no. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #26

If you say so. Behind the Aegis Feb 2015 #27

Give him a break man... Bonobo Feb 2015 #29

I noticed the same thing leftynyc Feb 2015 #75

So 3200 Dorian Gray Feb 2015 #72

As far as I'm concerned, the two only go together for anti-semites. Chef Eric Feb 2015 #7

I totally agree... Bonobo Feb 2015 #9

+2 nomorenomore08 Feb 2015 #135

In both those cases, recent conflicts are the main reason muriel_volestrangler Feb 2015 #25

Anti-Semitic attacks up 36 percent. Bonobo Feb 2015 #30

I replied to your post about the poll, not to your OP muriel_volestrangler Feb 2015 #32

Never understood the Jewish hate thing. I've even asked people to explain it to me and I get.. BlueJazz Feb 2015 #4

Everyone needs an "Other". Bonobo Feb 2015 #5

"Jews are the non-white whites that everyone can hate." Behind the Aegis Feb 2015 #11

Brilliant! JustAnotherGen Feb 2015 #37

Cool signature. NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #6

Thank you. Maybe that's why I've never developed those feelings. I don't believe in any of ... BlueJazz Feb 2015 #8

It is amazing how little people actually know about anti-Semitism. Behind the Aegis Feb 2015 #10

I really don't blame them though. Bonobo Feb 2015 #12

I still have to occasionally tell someone... NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #15

I have to explain "Jew" is a noun not an adjective. Behind the Aegis Feb 2015 #16

This message was self-deleted by its author Exhibit A Feb 2015 #17

I do blame some. Behind the Aegis Feb 2015 #18

+ 1,000,000...Bta, you nailed it. Rhinodawg Feb 2015 #41

Great Post, BtA leftynyc Feb 2015 #77

Excellent post. nomorenomore08 Feb 2015 #136

I never understood the "you killed Christ" bit Lydia Leftcoast Feb 2015 #111

You'd think they would THANK us! Bonobo Feb 2015 #112

I know. It literally makes no sense, in terms of Christianity. nomorenomore08 Feb 2015 #137

Anti-SOMETHING has existed for eons ann--- Feb 2015 #34

Did I or any one claim anything differently? Behind the Aegis Feb 2015 #36

I'm not playing that game - not falling for it JustAnotherGen Feb 2015 #38

Solidarity! Bonobo Feb 2015 #47

And I stand with you! Behind the Aegis Feb 2015 #67

And STILL JustAnotherGen Feb 2015 #79

Some would like to forget this or now say that it never happened. grossproffit Feb 2015 #103

Seriously? NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #61

Or as another poster put it... Behind the Aegis Feb 2015 #65

She sure did JustAnotherGen Feb 2015 #86

Of course it did. LeftishBrit Feb 2015 #122

I have always believed it's linked to the lack of a homeland issue. parkia00 Feb 2015 #51

There you go. That's the best explanation I've ever heard. Thanks! BlueJazz Feb 2015 #55

Neither do I. smirkymonkey Feb 2015 #54

Actually, the economy already dried up 5 years ago. DetlefK Feb 2015 #28

As has been said on this very thread Bonobo Feb 2015 #31

Being anti-war on ann--- Feb 2015 #35

Except she's not an Israeli JustAnotherGen Feb 2015 #40

Are they? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2015 #81

yep they are JustAnotherGen Feb 2015 #85

But she's not making statements just about her. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2015 #88

What does that have to do with Jews in England? hack89 Feb 2015 #46

Are you that naive? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2015 #84

I was replying to someone who was justifying such behavior hack89 Feb 2015 #87

I suspect you don't even realize leftynyc Feb 2015 #78

Nothing, in the minds of nuanced, rational people. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2015 #89

So what do you think about leftynyc Feb 2015 #91

I think it points out a facet of reality, while actually also being illogical. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2015 #94

My point is that leftynyc Feb 2015 #126

I sincerely doubt people are that politically aware in their thinking, though. randome Feb 2015 #92

It's an excuse, though. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2015 #95

Got it. And agree. randome Feb 2015 #99

In the OP, she says that antisemitism in the UK is not related to Israel's policies in the West Bank muriel_volestrangler Feb 2015 #93

Really. How would you feel if your neighbors were shooting rockets at you day in and day out? eom grossproffit Feb 2015 #102

Well, ann--- Feb 2015 #107

So, you'd be okay with them bombing your children while they sleep. Gotcha. grossproffit Feb 2015 #124

That isn't what ann--- Feb 2015 #125

Will you ever just answer a question? NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #130

I care that ann--- Feb 2015 #133

Glad to know that. NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #134

But punishing Europaean Jews for the actions of the Israel government IS antisemitism LeftishBrit Feb 2015 #129

That's not difficult. DetlefK Feb 2015 #39

Anti-semitism... so watered down. Solindsey Feb 2015 #42

^^^ This post right here proves the point made in the article. eom MohRokTah Feb 2015 #96

Though it did make a sudden jump after the Gaza war, it had in fact been increasing for a while LeftishBrit Feb 2015 #132

Once she can ann--- Feb 2015 #33

So every Jew in the world bears some blame for Israel's actions? hack89 Feb 2015 #44

Oh lord.... Rhinodawg Feb 2015 #45

By that logic, you would have to give your strong approval to anyone who criticized Muslims for the Bluenorthwest Feb 2015 #48

I'm not sure ann--- Feb 2015 #52

You understand it. You make use of a double standard. Bluenorthwest Feb 2015 #53

Nope ann--- Feb 2015 #70

You most certainly are doing that leftynyc Feb 2015 #82

Your post is an embarrassment to leftynyc Feb 2015 #80

And another post that proves precisely the point in the article. eom MohRokTah Feb 2015 #97

Which British Jews voted for Nuttyahoo? LeftishBrit Feb 2015 #120

Gee, I wonder why Jews in the UK and France want out? Rhinodawg Feb 2015 #43

Of course, you can never say it. smirkymonkey Feb 2015 #56

Ask yourself what led to the historic spikes of Antisemitism and you'll have an answer LanternWaste Feb 2015 #57

HorseS*** Rhinodawg Feb 2015 #58

Oh come on! Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2015 #90

I have asked myself and I don't see a reason. Chef Eric Feb 2015 #66

I asked myself leftynyc Feb 2015 #83

(1) Economic crises; (2) I/P conflict - but I don't think that's the main source; (3) Increasing LeftishBrit Feb 2015 #121

Hardly an "acclaimed actress"! mr blur Feb 2015 #49

She is a contantly working actor, twice nominated for BAFTA awards, she works in every medium Bluenorthwest Feb 2015 #50

Are you sure it's not the constant mis- pronouncing of the movie title? lame54 Feb 2015 #59

The Community Security Trust itself links anti-semitic attack rates to war in Gaza muriel_volestrangler Feb 2015 #60

Attacking British Jews because of Israel Bonobo Feb 2015 #62

Yes, it is vicious anti-semitism; but Lipman's suggestion of the cause of the rise makes no sense muriel_volestrangler Feb 2015 #63

Fine and that makes no difference at all to Jews who must face the reality. Bonobo Feb 2015 #64

I think it's both. LeftishBrit Feb 2015 #119

Stirred the hornest's nest again. Behind the Aegis Feb 2015 #68

I think it established one thing quite clearly. Bonobo Feb 2015 #69

Then how do you ann--- Feb 2015 #71

Wow. You really don't get it. Bonobo Feb 2015 #73

It is related ann--- Feb 2015 #74

Your confusion is...confusing Bonobo Feb 2015 #76

In re your 'tough questions'... Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2015 #100

There have always been reasons to attack Jews. Somehow they always seem to be justifiable to some. Bonobo Feb 2015 #104

So nothing ever changes in your world. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2015 #105

I don't understand what you mean by that. Bonobo Feb 2015 #106

Look again. At ALL my comments. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2015 #108

If your entire point is to say that anti-semites use Israel as an excuse Bonobo Feb 2015 #109

Well my point was not 'Israel' per se Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2015 #113

It is still a HORRIBLE analogy by any measure. Bonobo Feb 2015 #115

Are you an American? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2015 #117

Yes and the answer is because we have a vote Bonobo Feb 2015 #118

This thread has really revealed the rampant anti-semitism on DU. MohRokTah Feb 2015 #98

It's utterly disgusting. I can't believe these people are members of my beloved party. grossproffit Feb 2015 #101

It sure does - doesn't it? JustAnotherGen Feb 2015 #127

poor baby enid602 Feb 2015 #110

Yup, damn that woman! Bonobo Feb 2015 #114

WTF does a British actress of Jewish descent have to do with "average Palestinians"? nomorenomore08 Feb 2015 #138

Of course RT.com has an agenda to portray Europe this way. randome Feb 2015 #116

Sorry, but she's wrong about it having nothing to do with Gaza or the West Bank. Spider Jerusalem Feb 2015 #123

No, we still have plenty of the old-fashioned skinhead variety... LeftishBrit Feb 2015 #128

Good post. nt Bonobo Feb 2015 #131