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sabrina 1

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97. The question was prompted by your attack on ME rather than on the proponent of disappearing

Wed Feb 4, 2015, 09:23 PM

Feb 2015

people for daring to ask questions.

Even then, I asked you rather than put words in your mouth, unlike what you attempted to do to me.

Jumping into aa discussion with pre-conceived ideas about people, is not the best way to understand the conversation.

You jumped because of your own presumptions about DUers.

I am not responsible for your actions. Though I see you ARE attempting to blame me, who did not approach you, you jumped to conclusions about me, pre-conceived I know.

Next time maybe read the thread so you can follow what is being discussed rather than look at a name and decide 'WRONG' just because.

At least I gave you a chance to clarify your position. Put no words in your mouth. If you leap in on the side of those who proposed such outragious violations of our Constitution, be grateful I did not simply assume you shared those views, though I could have.

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Question: when was it settled science that vaccinations don't cause autism? [View all] MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 OP

I think 1998 GP6971 Feb 2015 #1

the study was officially retracted 4-5 years ago. should be easy to find since it was bettyellen Feb 2015 #2

Whoever responds, please include a link! fried eggs Feb 2015 #3

Here's a link to a National Geographic Article xmas74 Feb 2015 #6

National Geographic has changed for the worse. Read all about it here. proverbialwisdom Mar 2015 #143

But still gives the basic answers xmas74 Mar 2015 #146

I found the answer regarding MMR fried eggs Feb 2015 #7

Given the rarity of febrile seizures, the sample size is very small bhikkhu Feb 2015 #17

There is also apparently a... Whiskeytide Feb 2015 #72

Odd thing mercuryblues Feb 2015 #109

Never heard that it was 'settled science'. A lot of people seem to be very concerned about sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #4

Of course you hadn't. NuclearDem Feb 2015 #11

Your post reminded me of the black humor around so-called 'neutron bombs.' (These are KingCharlemagne Feb 2015 #12

I love that idea. And I wouldn't be surprised if it is possible. But killing people for now, seems sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #15

The repugs have an increasingly great concern for human life, pennylane100 Feb 2015 #19

I know what you mean. It's heartwarming, isn't it? GoneFishin Feb 2015 #30

When the "N-Bomb" was the big fear, I advocated we needed an "O & P-Bomb". . . Journeyman Feb 2015 #16

Well then, read this thread Sabrina-tons of great info debunking this nonsense... bettyellen Feb 2015 #36

That's very admirable, DU has always been there to inform the uninformed. sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #37

Glad we could be of service regarding this anti- vaxxing bullshit, and I'll just stay on topic- bettyellen Feb 2015 #38

Thank you for the info! zappaman Feb 2015 #39

Thanks, I might do that. Human life, the preservation of it, is something I care about, you'll have sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #41

I'm so sorry to hear DU has failed to educate you- and here in a thread with a so many great links! bettyellen Feb 2015 #44

Like I said, you just don't get it. I may start a thread, as I said. I have had plenty of 'luck' sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #45

Sorry to hear how disgusted you are by so many DUers for trying to discuss vaccinations- bettyellen Feb 2015 #47

I like pancakes and zappaman Feb 2015 #48

Urgle gurlgle why don't people care what I care about- when I care about it?!?!? bettyellen Feb 2015 #49

I'm sorry people don't care about what you care about. I'm sure that must be very sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #68

Trolls gonna troll. NuclearDem Feb 2015 #81

If you need any help with that, let me know! sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #50

Nope. zappaman Feb 2015 #56

Its amazing how they try to derail and misdirect every comment and thread Ramses Feb 2015 #58

Some would rather try picking fights with DUers bettyellen Feb 2015 #118

yes, watching a toddler throw a tantrum is the definition of your response Ramses Feb 2015 #119

Welcome to DU...again! zappaman Feb 2015 #127

some people are just low fact, high opinion posters Sheepshank Feb 2015 #75

That's for sure. The fact is, that right here in this thread, there are advocates of 'eliminating' sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #93

No kidding! gopiscrap Feb 2015 #55

It's also not a settle science to some people that the world is round.... Sheepshank Feb 2015 #69

I agree, I don't listen to the fringe either, and there is nothing more 'fringe' imho, than sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #73

yeah you are always good to come back with "They're trying to shut me up" martyr thing. Sheepshank Feb 2015 #74

It's as if they are consistently having a conversation zappaman Feb 2015 #77

^ ^ ^ oh yeah!! ^ ^ ^ Sheepshank Feb 2015 #84

You mean 'she' don't you? Why not just be honest when you are talking about other people? sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #92

poor poor pitiful me... Sheepshank Feb 2015 #94

And there is that old talking point, for Liberals btw. I think it was Rush who supplied that one. sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #103

so now I'm a ditto head for calling you out on your usual MO? That's the real joke here n/t Sheepshank Feb 2015 #112

"Your usual MO". And yours is Personal attacks. People who engage in personal attacks do so sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #113

bwahh haa haa...walking it back? you are wasting my time. Sheepshank Feb 2015 #116

Martyr is not a word limited to right wingers treestar Feb 2015 #136

Apparently once Rushbo uses a word treestar Feb 2015 #135

ain't that just the truth ;) n/t Sheepshank Feb 2015 #142

There is the very definition of irony. sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #85

OFFS NuclearDem Feb 2015 #89

I don't care you respond...but be intellectually honest and respond to the subject at hand Sheepshank Feb 2015 #95

The question was prompted by your attack on ME rather than on the proponent of disappearing sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #97

nope..still not being honest. This is your usual go to tactic, and not just on this thread. n/t Sheepshank Feb 2015 #111

Well said. n/t FSogol Feb 2015 #114

there is scientific consensus that vaccines have never been shown to cause autism. La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2015 #71

Anti-vaxxers do tend to selectively ignore that information. NuclearDem Feb 2015 #82

Well you just showed your lack of concern for treestar Feb 2015 #134

The CDC published its findings in 2007. NuclearDem Feb 2015 #5

Excellent! xmas74 Feb 2015 #10

That's a great link too! NuclearDem Feb 2015 #13

My link is the simple go-to link xmas74 Feb 2015 #14

While I don't have a link, I read recently that scientists now believe that KingCharlemagne Feb 2015 #8

As a geneticist, I think chromosomal microduplications and deletions play a large role. Barack_America Feb 2015 #20

There's this (from 1995!) Spider Jerusalem Feb 2015 #21

There is no exact date. Act_of_Reparation Feb 2015 #9

Mid 2000's, as far as I've read bhikkhu Feb 2015 #18

when was it settled DonCoquixote Feb 2015 #22

Kick. 'Cause Manny never came back to acknowledge all the good answers he got...nt SidDithers Feb 2015 #23

I'm sure he'll be back with another OP faulting a certain politician of the Democratic geek tragedy Feb 2015 #24

You said it! treestar Feb 2015 #138

Because we know it's coming, that train is never late geek tragedy Feb 2015 #25

Bingo! nt msanthrope Feb 2015 #34

Maybe Manny has a job? MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #33

More likely, the answers do not validate his narrative... LanternWaste Feb 2015 #83

Personal attack. nt MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #86

So was your question answered? zappaman Feb 2015 #87

Obviously. MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #88

Glad you got your answers! zappaman Feb 2015 #90

Why would ask people to prove a negative? CreekDog Feb 2015 #133

you could have used the google treestar Feb 2015 #137

Another kick, because this is a great thread. I have heard that people have learned a lot sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #43

One thing we learn is who can actually *discuss* things here at a "discussion site," and who snarks villager Feb 2015 #52

You're exactly right. sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #53

Always? A Lot? ProfessorGAC Feb 2015 #67

Good links gwheezie Feb 2015 #26

The vaccines are made to go bad because of contrails. randome Feb 2015 #27

where did you go we need you back! snooper2 Feb 2015 #28

There was never a link edhopper Feb 2015 #29

Kick...nt SidDithers Feb 2015 #31

When there was no proof EVER that they do. Avalux Feb 2015 #32

Strictly speaking, never. Vattel Feb 2015 #35

How does one explain the Autistic kids onecaliberal Feb 2015 #54

No one has proven that there is only one cause of autism. Vattel Feb 2015 #59

Autism is genetic. onecaliberal Feb 2015 #62

Dude, seriously. Vattel Feb 2015 #64

Umm... "tobacco has been around almost as long as people" jberryhill Feb 2015 #79

So, did you get the info you were looking for? zappaman Feb 2015 #40

I find myself oddly curious as to how Elizabeth Warren feels about vaccines, LOL. bettyellen Feb 2015 #46

hehe treestar Feb 2015 #140

Every single child of my age cwydro Feb 2015 #42

1998 onecaliberal Feb 2015 #51

When was it settled that brownies don't make my shoes in the middle of the night MattBaggins Feb 2015 #57

Same thing, isn't it? BUT YOU CAN'T PROVE THAT! Incredible thread full of absolute...brownies. randome Feb 2015 #65

2002 Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2015 #60

There was never any real evidence Kurska Feb 2015 #61

A simple Google search. Lex Feb 2015 #63

Probably one of the best ops started on this subject. NCTraveler Feb 2015 #66

it was never established that they do. La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2015 #70

Always. Since the faked study couldn't reproduce results, it was never valid on point Feb 2015 #76

Did you get your answer? zappaman Feb 2015 #78

of course, it has never been settled and can never be "settled..." mike_c Feb 2015 #80

By "settled", I mean "pretty unlikely that we'll find a link" nt MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #91

now you're talking like a scientist.... mike_c Feb 2015 #96

But you, frankly, are the only poster I've read who acknowledges the truth of science: that there is WinkyDink Feb 2015 #132

At 60-ish, I've spent half my life doing science.... mike_c Feb 2015 #141

LOL...Manny and his woo got served. Cali_Democrat Feb 2015 #98

Clearly, you have zero idea of what's going on here MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #99

You're pretty easy to figure out, Manny Cali_Democrat Feb 2015 #100

Amd where have I said otherwise? MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #101

LOL....this thread might be your best yet.... Cali_Democrat Feb 2015 #102

Third Woo Manny. nt geek tragedy Feb 2015 #105

LOL! Cali_Democrat Feb 2015 #115

Lolz geek tragedy Feb 2015 #104

Care to weigh in on reply #106 in this thread? Cali_Democrat Feb 2015 #121

There is a bizarre desire by some people to believe MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #122

Manny in 2008: Cali_Democrat Feb 2015 #124

Your point?nt MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #125

No, you see, THIS TIME he was sincere... SidDithers Feb 2015 #110

You were trolling, unless you got amnesia since 2008. geek tragedy Feb 2015 #106

Wow. "Spectrum autism" isn't "true autism"... SidDithers Feb 2015 #107

But a very clear and cogent discussion of how vaccines do not cause autism with detailed geek tragedy Feb 2015 #108

there is no such thing as "Spectrum Autism" - Autism is a Spectrum - that why its official name Douglas Carpenter Feb 2015 #117

The "science" here, as in most of psychology, is terrible. MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #123

there may very well be different types and obviously severity levels of Autism Douglas Carpenter Feb 2015 #126

Should an irritated throat and lung cancer both be pulled into a single diagnosis MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #130

no an irritated throat and lung cancer are obviously not two different types of cancer affected Douglas Carpenter Feb 2015 #131

"You were trolling" JI7 Feb 2015 #120

0 recs joshcryer Feb 2015 #129

I'll be really glad if and when this vaccine BS gets shoved to Creative Speculation or TOS banned steve2470 Feb 2015 #139

In summary, both the official US government stance and the consensus of this thread appears to be... proverbialwisdom Mar 2015 #144

The official government stance relies on multiple analyses of additional research papers, of course. proverbialwisdom Mar 2015 #145

OTOH, much of the DATA is protected & unavailable despite years of FOIA requests. Just read this... proverbialwisdom Mar 2015 #147

Upcoming event. proverbialwisdom Mar 2015 #148