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127. You don't know much about the founders. Interesting, the bashing of the Founders. It began

Thu Feb 5, 2015, 04:38 AM

Feb 2015

when Bush started violating the Constitution and Liberals would point it out. So his followers decided they couldn't argue with the facts, so began attacking the Founders.

Many of the founders were NOT rich, nor did they want a country to represent the rich. Some of them were killed and didn't make it to enjoy their victory.

Apparently you are only familiar with a few of the founders.

Most were young, very young, several abhorred slavery, see John Adams eg, who called it a 'great evil', but he knew if they were to win against the British, they would not get the South on board if they included slavery in the DOI. He first wanted to kick the British out, then establish an Independent nation, then help it grow. And eventually secure equal rights for all Americans. But he knew it couldn't happen overnight.

Btw, why didn't Obama change our HC System to a National Healthcare System like every other developed country?

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Curious, why are you so obsessed with Greenwald? You've expressed your disdain countless times.. 2banon Feb 2015 #205

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Hero Worship? Nahh... 2banon Feb 2015 #209

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If any of that were true, you'd have a point! sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #216

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Just sour grapes from jealous competitors no doubt, not getting enough or any attention - 2banon Feb 2015 #207

Haha! City Lights Feb 2015 #148

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Sid is a first responder. Major Hogwash Feb 2015 #91

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Ad Hominem FAIL. Again. grahamhgreen Feb 2015 #85

Oh! MrMickeysMom Feb 2015 #104

Ha! Exactly. nt raouldukelives Feb 2015 #152

Did you agree with Greenwald when he attacked Warren for her statements on Israel/Gaza Cali_Democrat Feb 2015 #2

I'm not sure - it did make me think about it though. nt MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #5

I like Greewald, but don't always agree with him. I don't always agree with Sen Warren rhett o rick Feb 2015 #11

Are you and Manny Siamese twins? I asked him a question and suddenly it's 'we'? LOL. nt Cali_Democrat Feb 2015 #19

What kind of a dimwit discusses on a discussion board? MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #22

Transgender Former Olympic medalists turned Reality Show actor/actress'? Katashi_itto Feb 2015 #41

Seem to me that you don't like people that speak out to authority. Do you support the rhett o rick Feb 2015 #43

Perhaps you might want to google my stance on US drone attacks Cali_Democrat Feb 2015 #46

Which, of course, doesn't mean that you haven't MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #52

Aren't you the same person who would have overturned the election of Obama in favor of McCain? Cali_Democrat Feb 2015 #103

Here's one huge difference between you and me, Cali_Democrat, MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #143

So not only did you want McCain over Obama.... Cali_Democrat Feb 2015 #164

You didn't read Manny's post at all, or did, and chose to ignore it and try to give the impression sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #202

I am glad to hear that and appologize for misjudging. rhett o rick Feb 2015 #57

The problem is that you think you know me... Cali_Democrat Feb 2015 #105

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Do you agree with everything someone says? I can't think of anyone, including my mom, that sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #107

Rich, white men is who the founders had in mind when carving out everything. Ykcutnek Feb 2015 #3

Gay Jews? nt MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #6

+1 n/t lumberjack_jeff Feb 2015 #157

Not really; that actually oversimplifies things. AverageJoe90 Feb 2015 #223

K&R for Greenwald. I agree with them, he is a Liberal treasure Autumn Feb 2015 #4

what's this all about then? have I missed the latest two-minute hate? frylock Feb 2015 #7

. MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #8

hmmmnnn.. yes, i managed to stumble upon that prior to your reply.. frylock Feb 2015 #10

That was embarrassing. Either stupid or dishonest. Maybe both. Comrade Grumpy Feb 2015 #76

DURec for Greenwald, bvar22 Feb 2015 #9

No one wants to look into that mirror. Here is but a distant glimpse lest we forget.... xocet Feb 2015 #116

I wonder how many innocents were burned alive... bvar22 Feb 2015 #186

He would have much more support on DU LittleBlue Feb 2015 #12

That is true. AtomicKitten Feb 2015 #15

That is it in a nutshell. n/t truedelphi Feb 2015 #83

ACTUALLY you can narrow that down Skittles Feb 2015 #86

That doesn't make sense, or are you saying that the Greenwald haters also hate Obama? I thought sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #120

He did have that support, almost unanimous support, when the man in the WH WAS a Republican. sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #112

Haters of Greenwald obxhead Feb 2015 #13

Doesn't Greenwald align himself more with republicans than Democrats? George II Feb 2015 #29

Some, many elected democrats align themselves with republicans more than Democrats, such Autumn Feb 2015 #44

No, he exposed the Bush criminals on a regular basis /nt Dragonfli Feb 2015 #45

Does he? obxhead Feb 2015 #49

Far from it. Considering he spent most of his time, during the Bush years, BASHING Bush/Cheney and sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #121

Greenwald is a treasure Oilwellian Feb 2015 #14

+1 I remember those days....glad you brought it up. nt snappyturtle Feb 2015 #38

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He's a real treasure all right itsrobert Feb 2015 #17

That would be humor, if it were funny. Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #20

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Ditto George II Feb 2015 #31

Mediocre journalists willing to take on important stories... Orsino Feb 2015 #160

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As a famous Democratic President said, "Tell the truth, and they will think its hell!" dissentient Feb 2015 #21

That quote should be at the top of every DU page. nt MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #23

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Yeah, breaking the law is "bogus" YoungDemCA Feb 2015 #54

Framing-up legitimate whistle-blowers and investigative journalists with charges of espionage 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #59

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Perhaps leftynyc Feb 2015 #204

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Tell it Sabrina!! Bohunk68 Feb 2015 #145

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Yes, the racist war mongers have been spectacularly successful. cpwm17 Feb 2015 #130

Liberal what? Historic NY Feb 2015 #47

Yup... malokvale77 Feb 2015 #48

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I'm probably being tone-deaf, but I don't understand your bit MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #55

You don't know much about the founders. Interesting, the bashing of the Founders. It began sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #127

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Rec for all of my Puglover Feb 2015 #53

If self-reflection and criticism is "narcissism", we need more of it. Bonobo Feb 2015 #56

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What are you talking about? Sounds random and made up Dragonfli Feb 2015 #63

Maybe you have not seen the different stories he tells, I do not have any Thinkingabout Feb 2015 #74

I have read him since he served George bush his ass. Dragonfli Feb 2015 #77

He can't keep his stories together, I could care less about what he did Thinkingabout Feb 2015 #89

What did he change, your imagination? I applauded him exposing Bush, Dragonfli Feb 2015 #94

To be honest with you I am not a long time reader of Greenwald, don't know what you are Thinkingabout Feb 2015 #97

Don't you find it strange that only you have seen these mythical "changes"? Dragonfli Feb 2015 #98

Continue to read him, I may read or lusten to his crap from time to time but I will Thinkingabout Feb 2015 #100

Anything? You've been asked several times to cite an example. DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2015 #153

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It seems reasonable that any change you assert could be demonstrated. sibelian Feb 2015 #198

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kick L0oniX Feb 2015 #161

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I question the rationale and entitlement behind this statement: Maedhros Feb 2015 #110

It's an opinion? MFrohike Feb 2015 #111

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"I don't know 'Driftglass' or 'Bluegal'" Act_of_Reparation Feb 2015 #208

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Then aim elsewhere MFrohike Feb 2015 #193

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I disagree MFrohike Feb 2015 #195

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K&R! This post deserves hundreds of recommendations! Enthusiast Feb 2015 #144

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What does it say LWolf Feb 2015 #146

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Isn't there only One? xocet Feb 2015 #162

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Most people don't Bobbie Jo Feb 2015 #169

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Rec #200 Fumesucker Feb 2015 #174

false info jimruymen Feb 2015 #176

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