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38. Here are the four actual charges against Assange

Thu Feb 5, 2015, 09:03 AM

Feb 2015

"1. Unlawful coercion

On 13-14 August 2010, in the home of the injured party [AA] in Stockholm. Assange, by using violence. forced the injured party to endure his restricting her freedom of movement. The violence consisted in a firm hold of the injured party's arms and a forceful spreading of her legs whilst lying on top of her and with his body weight preventing her from moving or shifting.

2. Sexual molestation

On 13-14 August 2010, in the home of the injured party [AA] in Stockholm, Assange deliberately molested the injured party by acting in a manner designed to violate her sexual integrity. Assange, who was aware that it was the expressed wish of the injured party and a prerequisite of sexual intercourse that a condom be used, consummated unprotected sexual intercourse with her without her knowledge.

3. Sexual molestation

On 18 August 2010 or on any of the days before or after that date, in the home of the injured party [AA] in Stockholm, Assange deliberately molested the injured party by acting in a manner designed to violate her sexual integrity i.e. lying next to her and pressing his naked, erect penis to her body.

4. Rape

On 17 August 2010, in the home of the injured party [SW] in Enkoping, Assange deliberately consummated sexual intercourse with her by improperly exploiting that she, due to sleep. was in a helpless state.

It is an aggravating circumstance that Assange. who was aware that it was the expressed wish of the injured party and a prerequisite of sexual intercourse that a condom be used. still consummated unprotected sexual intercourse with her. The sexual act was designed to violate the injured party's sexual integrity."

http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/Admin/2011/2849.html

Tell us all why none of these acts should be crimes. I can't wait to hear your rationalization as to why men should be able to do these things with impunity.

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John Pilger: The siege of Julian Assange is a farce. [View all] pa28 Feb 2015 OP

Of course, let's talk about swimsuits instead (nt) anti partisan Feb 2015 #1

They want to make an example out of him zeemike Feb 2015 #2

+10000 Ramses Feb 2015 #7

+1000000000 woo me with science Feb 2015 #8

John Pilger is a great journalist. He saw the lies BEFORE we went to Iraq. He witnessed drone sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #10

If you choose to blow the whistle on government corruption you will lose everything. pa28 Feb 2015 #11

Nonsensical Spider Jerusalem Feb 2015 #3

+1... SidDithers Feb 2015 #4

Ssshhh! You weren't supposed to disclose that. Tarheel_Dem Feb 2015 #5

Thank you. n/t pnwmom Feb 2015 #9

The clearly political and overwhelmingly absurd response is what is nonsensical. Hissyspit Feb 2015 #13

"clearly political response"? Spider Jerusalem Feb 2015 #14

yeah, this is all about rape. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #15

Yes it is political and you just proved it. zeemike Feb 2015 #17

Sorry, but, you're very wrong Spider Jerusalem Feb 2015 #20

He was the victim of a honey trap. zeemike Feb 2015 #24

No, he's wanted for arrest and trial. Spider Jerusalem Feb 2015 #32

What is bizarre is those who deny it. zeemike Feb 2015 #35

... Spider Jerusalem Feb 2015 #39

You seem to be heavily invested in this. zeemike Feb 2015 #45

Some people get tired of hearing the same incorrect info mythology Feb 2015 #86

"Byzantine absurdity" is the perfect phrase. randome Feb 2015 #50

Bingo! nt elias49 Feb 2015 #71

Do you have a single credible source for the honey trap allegation? nt msanthrope Feb 2015 #168

+1000000 woo me with science Feb 2015 #23

The honey trap is the favorite trap used by the CIA. zeemike Feb 2015 #27

They are swarming now. woo me with science Feb 2015 #33

And I have never been sadder ether. zeemike Feb 2015 #37

Assange never crosses my mind. Puglover Feb 2015 #59

Here are the four actual charges against Assange hack89 Feb 2015 #38

Well you are not going to get it. zeemike Feb 2015 #41

Those are the Swedish charges hack89 Feb 2015 #47

Perhaps my certainty comes from real world experiences zeemike Feb 2015 #53

So you think the victims lied and you are supporting a rapist. hack89 Feb 2015 #58

And so you use emotional blackmail to course people with. zeemike Feb 2015 #69

The victims never recanted - are they liars or CIA plants like some suggest in this thread? hack89 Feb 2015 #74

Well my position is that the emotional charge of rape zeemike Feb 2015 #91

So you are not willing to give the benefit of doubt to potential rape victims hack89 Feb 2015 #92

And you are not willing to give the benefit of the doubt TO the accused. zeemike Feb 2015 #94

Assange walked free for two years in England hack89 Feb 2015 #96

Well we can only speculate on that. zeemike Feb 2015 #100

So only one of the women was a CIA asset? Got it. nt hack89 Feb 2015 #102

Well that is my guess. zeemike Feb 2015 #108

Isn't that why we have trials? To weigh the evidence and truthfulness of people? hack89 Feb 2015 #111

No trials are to weigh the evidence. zeemike Feb 2015 #120

Lets deal with the rape charges first. hack89 Feb 2015 #128

And your doubt bets Assange's life on it. zeemike Feb 2015 #133

Like I said, the status quo is the best option for Obama. hack89 Feb 2015 #136

I always give the benefit of the doubt to rape victims hack89 Feb 2015 #97

Add 'wiki-bias' to your list. randome Feb 2015 #98

And well you should. zeemike Feb 2015 #105

Some actual evidence that one of the women was a CIA asset would be helpful hack89 Feb 2015 #107

And how would we get that evidence? zeemike Feb 2015 #112

The conspiracy theorist mindset in a nutshell hack89 Feb 2015 #113

I knew it would not be long before the CT label was applied. zeemike Feb 2015 #126

The CIA can potentially be blamed for every bad thing that ever happens in the world hack89 Feb 2015 #129

Well it's a secret organization, so we will never know. zeemike Feb 2015 #137

And you can endlessly speculate because it is impossible to prove you wrong hack89 Feb 2015 #138

Well we agree on something. zeemike Feb 2015 #141

The only thing the Brits charged him with is jumping bail. nt hack89 Feb 2015 #49

Sweden doesn't operate under common law. joshcryer Feb 2015 #162

Well then let the Swedish system conclude that treestar Feb 2015 #147

How many other rapists have ever had 10 million pounds spent on Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2015 #104

He skipped bail (�200K) and sought refuge in the Ecuadorean embassy claiming "political persecution" Spider Jerusalem Feb 2015 #114

'You would expect' Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2015 #116

As far as I'm aware there aren't any other cases of high profile bail absconders hiding in embassies Spider Jerusalem Feb 2015 #118

So basically, on the basis of 0 other cases ever, we're supposed to just Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2015 #121

Serious question. Spider Jerusalem Feb 2015 #124

Serious answer. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2015 #127

I think that a government is not going to allow a fugitive to escape justice... Spider Jerusalem Feb 2015 #130

I was wrong, you do get one more reply. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2015 #131

Tsk. Spider Jerusalem Feb 2015 #135

Because any other rapist would not have been granted asylum hack89 Feb 2015 #115

Nope. I'll say what I've suggested all along. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2015 #119

Except Sweden and England have independent judiciaries hack89 Feb 2015 #123

Yes, this is exactly the response Hissyspit Feb 2015 #155

Yep, as a self-admitted rapist, he should face his charges. joshcryer Feb 2015 #25

Wait..wait.. elias49 Feb 2015 #73

The Ecuadorian embassy thought it was so nonsensical they granted political asylum. n/t pa28 Feb 2015 #109

That's the most absurd thing of all, really. Spider Jerusalem Feb 2015 #117

Your point is that repressive governments smear and imprison their whistleblowers? n/t pa28 Feb 2015 #143

My point is that Ecuador is a long way from being a bastion of press freedom. Spider Jerusalem Feb 2015 #145

Technically it was diplomatic asylum not political asylum hack89 Feb 2015 #142

If there's no crime.. then assange should have gotten his **** to Sweden. This is all on him. nm Cha Feb 2015 #167

Thanks for posting; K&R'd. snot Feb 2015 #6

Pilger has written some eloquent pieces on Assange through the years Oilwellian Feb 2015 #12

Ever notice that the same ones who hate Assange are the ones who love every right-wing thing ... Scuba Feb 2015 #18

+100000000 woo me with science Feb 2015 #21

It's not my fault authoritarians defend self-admitted rapists. joshcryer Feb 2015 #28

Is it time to throw Pilger under the bus too? Oilwellian Feb 2015 #81

Pilger is wrong, Assange's own defense admitted rape. joshcryer Feb 2015 #157

I'll take it a step further, Scuba Oilwellian Feb 2015 #83

Well, if you know that the charges against Assange are false... randome Feb 2015 #84

Please seek help Oilwellian Feb 2015 #85

How about for consistency's sake... randome Feb 2015 #87

"Wikileaks is not that important. " Bwahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!! Scuba Feb 2015 #89

You're talking about DUers treestar Feb 2015 #148

What war? What spying? What banksters? Octafish Feb 2015 #156

Like those three things have anything to do with Julian treestar Feb 2015 #163

It's destroy the messenger in any way possible. pa28 Feb 2015 #101

Julian Assange - the probable rapist it's OK to love... N.T. Donald Ian Rankin Feb 2015 #16

It's a rape case where neither of the women involved claim to have been raped. pa28 Feb 2015 #134

Great thread... sendero Feb 2015 #19

Hey! joshcryer Feb 2015 #29

Anyone who has bothered.. sendero Feb 2015 #34

The "supposed victims" want to see Assange extradited and put on trial. Spider Jerusalem Feb 2015 #40

Yes, governments always treat accused men who sneakily don't use condoms in consensual sex this way. merrily Feb 2015 #36

He was charged with a lot more than simply not using a condom. Here are the actual charges. hack89 Feb 2015 #52

Are you asserting that nothing about this is political? That all this is just because of what he is merrily Feb 2015 #55

The zeal of what governments? hack89 Feb 2015 #61

If you think this is average for a man who has been accused of rape, then we disagree. merrily Feb 2015 #62

'Average' men don't jump bail, leaving their friends holding the bag. randome Feb 2015 #63

You agree that the reaction to Assange has not been average, but claim that is because Assange is merrily Feb 2015 #65

I would say the reaction to Assange is in keeping with the situation he is responsible for. randome Feb 2015 #68

I think your post said essentially the same thing that my post said. merrily Feb 2015 #70

The response is...commensurate. randome Feb 2015 #72

The average fugitive would not have been granted asylum in an embassy hack89 Feb 2015 #88

Plus, judicial arms really hate having their noses tweaked (especially in high-profile cases). cemaphonic Feb 2015 #153

Excellent analogy. randome Feb 2015 #154

Countries request extradition of criminal fugitives every day hack89 Feb 2015 #67

On Assange, it seems rape doesn't matter. joshcryer Feb 2015 #158

Would the following scenario be rape? Bonobo Feb 2015 #164

I think so, but it'd be difficult to prosecute. joshcryer Feb 2015 #165

I don't think most people would consider that rape. nt Bonobo Feb 2015 #169

I would. nt msanthrope Feb 2015 #170

Which is why the CDC classifies it differently. joshcryer Feb 2015 #172

It begs a few questions for me... Bonobo Feb 2015 #173

It gets uncomfortable to discuss, I think. joshcryer Feb 2015 #174

My sympathy is with the Ecuadorian embassy staff. Nye Bevan Feb 2015 #22

K&R A deeply important piece, as the immediate defensive swarm by the propaganda brigade shows... woo me with science Feb 2015 #26

How does it feel to defend a self-admitted rapist? joshcryer Feb 2015 #30

I wouldn't know, josh. woo me with science Feb 2015 #31

What propaganda? joshcryer Feb 2015 #159

Jury results: 5-2 to keep stevenleser Feb 2015 #90

+1 840high Feb 2015 #103

The point is distraction. They want to smear Assange and they hope you don't read the article. n/t pa28 Feb 2015 #106

The Assange haters, the Snowden and Greenwald haters, delrem Feb 2015 #42

You forgot Pilger. polly7 Feb 2015 #43

Indeed. The agenda is transparent. woo me with science Feb 2015 #46

You mean like your inevitable appearance in threads like this? randome Feb 2015 #51

Or yours? delrem Feb 2015 #56

I wasn't the one accusing others of having an agenda. randome Feb 2015 #60

Wow! You're wicked smart! elias49 Feb 2015 #75

That's the same thing I keep saying! randome Feb 2015 #76

So you're ridiculous.Not my fault. elias49 Feb 2015 #77

But under the Heisenberg Uncertainty theory... randome Feb 2015 #80

You're not only SMART elias49 Feb 2015 #82

I thnk you are unfairly characterizing DUers such as BainsBane. Nye Bevan Feb 2015 #48

I don't agree. delrem Feb 2015 #54

A wanted individual can commit other crimes. In fact, they frequently commit more. randome Feb 2015 #57

Well said. pa28 Feb 2015 #99

and then lecture us about how we're bad Democrats and they're the only ones keeping MisterP Feb 2015 #139

There are people who don't agree with you on DU? treestar Feb 2015 #149

It's actually rather simple. joshcryer Feb 2015 #161

And they regularly showed up in Occupy threads to trash it dreamnightwind Feb 2015 #166

There are still Occupy threads? Where? Where? randome Feb 2015 #171

Oh, the cost is a central issue now, huh? randome Feb 2015 #44

HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT Feb 2015 #64

... SidDithers Feb 2015 #66

There it is... giftedgirl77 Feb 2015 #79

Thus making him a self-admitted rapist. joshcryer Feb 2015 #160

Kick & Rec elias49 Feb 2015 #78

Which he created himself treestar Feb 2015 #93

Exactly. great white snark Feb 2015 #132

Curious thing: OilemFirchen Feb 2015 #95

You expect everyone to wear their hearts on their sleeves as it were? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2015 #110

Another show of ignorance, I'm afraid. Spider Jerusalem Feb 2015 #122

Why would the same people trust such promises? treestar Feb 2015 #150

You might appreciate this song about him Tom Rinaldo Feb 2015 #125

"The man they tried to smear." pa28 Feb 2015 #146

In the end, none of this will matter. We all know how this will turn out. randome Feb 2015 #140

Kick for exposing the depth of corruption we face: woo me with science Feb 2015 #144

DURec for Assange & Wikileaks! bvar22 Feb 2015 #151

I think what Assange truly fears is irrelevance. cemaphonic Feb 2015 #152

k & fucking r! n/t wildbilln864 Feb 2015 #175

Erm. pa28 Mar 2015 #176