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lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
38. Count me in as a tone troll.
Thu Feb 5, 2015, 04:25 PM
Feb 2015

It demonstrably doesn't work - vaccines have now become a political quasi religious issue in which science and research are trumped by team spirit... and everyone thinks that only the other team sucks.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpolitics/2015/02/05/383904342/5-things-the-vaccine-debacle-reveal-about-the-2016-presidential-field

http://www.npr.org/2015/02/04/383724467/the-psychology-behind-why-some-kids-go-unvaccinated

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Besides that, DU'ers beating their chests about how pure and righteous we are is noise in signal-to-noise ratio. It is boring, it is stupid, and as the poll shows we're preaching to the choir - with baseball bats.

The ultimate proof that your style of shaming works will be when you're the only one who can stand your own company.

Making this a political issue is a huge disservice to public health. It guarantees that 28% of the public will refuse vaccination.

Du'ers and Vaccines: a poll. [View all] Warren Stupidity Feb 2015 OP
Pro (nt) bigwillq Feb 2015 #1
Pro. Old enough to have had measles and mumps. Arkansas Granny Feb 2015 #2
Pro vaccination Android3.14 Feb 2015 #3
hmmmm.... so you are against immunization requirements? Warren Stupidity Feb 2015 #5
Yup. Android3.14 Feb 2015 #7
You realize that vaccination won't work if it's not required? EvolveOrConvolve Feb 2015 #10
Poorly considered argument Android3.14 Feb 2015 #17
No, your argument is poorly considered EvolveOrConvolve Feb 2015 #31
So you're actually anti-vax then. NuclearDem Feb 2015 #14
We've already determined that you are insincere in this debate Android3.14 Feb 2015 #18
"...insincere in this debate" "...Something other than Mein Kampf." NuclearDem Feb 2015 #19
I'm surprised, so far there are zero anti-vac responses. Odd. Warren Stupidity Feb 2015 #4
Not odd at all, no one wants to show their username Reter Feb 2015 #12
i don't see any turmoil or widespread dissent. can you link me? ND-Dem Feb 2015 #35
Pro-Vax LostOne4Ever Feb 2015 #6
As I said in an OP a few days ago Kingofalldems Feb 2015 #8
Pro. n/t. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #9
There would be more antis if you didn't add the option to show usernames Reter Feb 2015 #11
it isnt an option Warren Stupidity Feb 2015 #13
How many of these are "not anti-vax, BUT..."? NuclearDem Feb 2015 #15
At least one. Iggo Feb 2015 #26
Couldn't vote in your poll. MohRokTah Feb 2015 #16
For you, but I am strongly both things. Most of my adult life I've been hoping for an HIV vaccine Bluenorthwest Feb 2015 #24
I think we, in 2015, Dorian Gray Feb 2015 #20
Voted "Pro" ProfessorGAC Feb 2015 #21
Voted "Pro" Had some of those diseases back as a kid. Glad they mostly are FailureToCommunicate Feb 2015 #22
Glad to vote pro-vac. BootinUp Feb 2015 #23
Pro-vax. Very much so. n/t SwissTony Feb 2015 #25
I'm tempted to say Pro Vac but I feel like the way they go about it feels kinda wrong. Xyzse Feb 2015 #27
Were those who insisted the Earth was flat idiots? randome Feb 2015 #28
I agree with this, which is why I am conflicted. Xyzse Feb 2015 #29
For years and years, we've tried it that way EvolveOrConvolve Feb 2015 #32
You may be right, I just don't think this type of attack feels right. Xyzse Feb 2015 #33
Pro Science therefore, Pro Vaxx. nt stevenleser Feb 2015 #30
So it would appear that we're all yelling at one person. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2015 #34
Actually, I voted under different user names 161 times Orrex Feb 2015 #36
The shaming is working. Warren Stupidity Feb 2015 #37
Count me in as a tone troll. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2015 #38
Oh I'm sorry, I mistook you for somebody who actually understands what a fucking disaster Warren Stupidity Feb 2015 #40
I'm happy for you that you found someone on whom to use the baseball bat. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2015 #43
And here's the split, as you describe: Ilsa Feb 2015 #44
I'd disagree with "they" lumberjack_jeff Feb 2015 #45
I hope this is the end of it. Ilsa Feb 2015 #39
They are idiots. They should be called out for being idiots. Warren Stupidity Feb 2015 #41
Are they here on DU? Do we need every fifth thread Ilsa Feb 2015 #42
As a nurse, treating people like idiots shuts down Ilsa Feb 2015 #46
As a human, coddling idiocy encourages more idiocy. nt. Warren Stupidity Feb 2015 #47
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