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cr8tvlde

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16. This has gone on for decades ... might makes right

Fri Apr 27, 2012, 03:33 PM

Apr 2012

but the internet and social media and the ability to speak to a large audience...pro and con...has changed the conversation. Back in the old days, what the Sheriff or DA said was the end of the road...like it or not. Seems many of their counterparts count on that.

Today, as all of the articles about Gunning Down/Open Season on Teens emerge, publicity at least demands something beyond the Good Ol' Folks rule...that includes Boys and Girls.

And gun owners defend these nuts at their own peril. Too many of these cases, and yes, legal gun rights are going to suffer. So message to the NRA and apologists, best begin to sort through the facts before automatically giving a Free Pass to the shooter.

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Teen's lawyer: the fishermen intentionally shot at the teens, resulting in Summer Moody's death [View all] pnwmom Apr 2012 OP

Murder Angry Dragon Apr 2012 #1

Yup Cali_Democrat Apr 2012 #2

It sounds like maybe this case could use a special prosecutor. Comrade Grumpy Apr 2012 #3

I'm starting to wonder about who the three men are possibly connected to.. Fumesucker Apr 2012 #4

That's what I'm curious about, too. I saw another case in Alabama recently pnwmom Apr 2012 #10

No criminal is ever guilty - just ask them. nt hack89 Apr 2012 #5

Nor are men who shoot unarmed teenager(s) unnecessarily . . . . . according to the gun culture. Hoyt Apr 2012 #7

That's why we let the police do an investigation and find out the facts. nt hack89 Apr 2012 #8

The initial police investigation into the Zimmerman's case didn't get out the facts. pnwmom Apr 2012 #12

And of course the defendant's lawyer is the perfect place to get the impartial and balanced story. hack89 Apr 2012 #14

I didn't say that. I said there are TWO sides to the story, and we've only been hearing one. pnwmom Apr 2012 #17

Do you expect the police and the DA to hold a press conference hack89 Apr 2012 #20

Do you not understand that the DA has already announced she's NOT pressing charges pnwmom Apr 2012 #21

But there is an ongoing investigation into the youths actions, correct? hack89 Apr 2012 #25

I agree. The DA shouldn't be publicly releasing information now. pnwmom Apr 2012 #36

I suspect that a murder investigation against the kids is a bigger priority. hack89 Apr 2012 #39

It obviously is. But why? pnwmom Apr 2012 #47

No - we are talking potential first degree murder charges for the kids hack89 Apr 2012 #57

Yeah, no convicted cocaine trafficker with a record of gun violations pnwmom Apr 2012 #11

And no kid with a murder charge hanging over his head would ever lie about his guilt. nt hack89 Apr 2012 #13

The teens ARE facing charges. Why aren't the shooters? pnwmom Apr 2012 #15

Because the DA and the police don't have your legal acume? hack89 Apr 2012 #19

He isn't playing legal games. He's exercising his 5th amendment rights. pnwmom Apr 2012 #22

So let me get this straight hack89 Apr 2012 #27

According to media reports, the shooters have never claimed they were present during a burglary pnwmom Apr 2012 #34

But the kids are murder suspects hack89 Apr 2012 #38

That's true. They don't get to pick and choose. But the DA does have that discretion. pnwmom Apr 2012 #50

It is clear in the eyes of the law hack89 Apr 2012 #58

It is not clear at all that she was killed during the execution of a felony crime. pnwmom Apr 2012 #59

So you have access to the police investigation hack89 Apr 2012 #63

No, I don't. But a lot of people here are assuming that the teens are guilty pnwmom Apr 2012 #67

You are not disagreeing with me - you are disagreeing with the law hack89 Apr 2012 #72

Not every state would let the shooters off with no charges and no trial. pnwmom Apr 2012 #74

So are the police and the DA acting in malicious manner hack89 Apr 2012 #75

You're right. If that reasoning is followed, it will be better for the teens. pnwmom Apr 2012 #77

I disagree that they can't be separated - if there isn't a valid justification petronius Apr 2012 #64

If they were commiting a felony when she was shot hack89 Apr 2012 #66

I get that, but it doesn't mean the shooter shouldn't be charged, and there's no petronius Apr 2012 #70

Until the teens talk to the police about what happened prior to the shooting hack89 Apr 2012 #73

Are you referring to the shooter? or the dead girl? i am guessing you side with the gun. nm rhett o rick Apr 2012 #29

No - I am talking about the kid with a murder charge hanging over his head. hack89 Apr 2012 #30

Kick. nt. polly7 Apr 2012 #6

This case needs to be made high profile as well. Kalidurga Apr 2012 #9

This one is much less likely to gain traction... AmazingSchnitzel Apr 2012 #71

This has gone on for decades ... might makes right cr8tvlde Apr 2012 #16

If you can't trust a defendant's lawyer, who can you trust? Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #18

Are you saying that the shooters' lawyers would be more reliable? pnwmom Apr 2012 #23

What has the shooter's lawyer said? nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #24

The shooters lawyer said that it was all a big accident. pnwmom Apr 2012 #40

So we should believe the defendant's lawyer over the shooter's lawyer why exactly? nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #45

No, we shouldn't. We should have a TRIAL of the shooter to sort everything out. n/t pnwmom Apr 2012 #46

On what charge exactly? Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #49

Reckless endangerment, negligent homicide -- SOMETHING. nt pnwmom Apr 2012 #53

I outlined why this will not happen in my other post further down the thread. nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #55

I agree with you. If you dont support the authoritarians, you would have chaos. nm rhett o rick Apr 2012 #28

So the DA and sheriff are the authoritarians in this scenario? Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #31

Is that a rhetorical question? It sure as hell isnt the dead girl. nm rhett o rick Apr 2012 #32

So you believe everything a defense attorney says as long as someone is dead? nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #33

Why dont you state your case instead of asking me questions in the hopes of me stating your case? rhett o rick Apr 2012 #35

Please list the details of the investigation performed in this case. nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #37

I said I agree with your support of the authoritarians with the guns. Why rhett o rick Apr 2012 #41

So you can't answer the question? nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #43

This is too crazy. What question? I can answer any question. nm rhett o rick Apr 2012 #68

Google is your friend. pnwmom Apr 2012 #42

I have not seen the details of the police investigation in any of those. nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #44

And you never will if they don't decide to press charges against the shooter. pnwmom Apr 2012 #48

On what charge exactly? Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #51

On any charge. Reckless endangerment? Negligent homicide? pnwmom Apr 2012 #52

DA is only going to bring charges if they think they can convict him. And DA's love convictions. Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #54

But you already acknowledged that they haven't released their investigation pnwmom Apr 2012 #60

You are far more transparent than you think you are. morningfog Apr 2012 #65

It should be pointed out that Bay Minette sudopod Apr 2012 #26

See - you can get away with murder, just plead "vigilante". jpak Apr 2012 #81

Too many trigger happy rednecks with guns shooting innocent teenagers Dont call me Shirley Apr 2012 #56

I call bullshit. I live in the county where this happened. trof Apr 2012 #61

Even if this was not an intentional shooting, why did these adult men (some with LisaL Apr 2012 #62

Why was she killed? Being bad doesnt deserve being killed. rhett o rick Apr 2012 #69

Wrong place at the wrong time hack89 Apr 2012 #76

Wrong place at the wrong time??? rhett o rick Apr 2012 #78

Except there is no evidence the shooter deliberately aimed and shot her in the back of head hack89 Apr 2012 #79

What are the odds of firing a warning shot that hits and kills a person? Please. rhett o rick Apr 2012 #80

Lets see what the investigation, grand jury and possible trial come up with, shall we? nt hack89 Apr 2012 #83

I would have it no other way. It just upsets me when so many people take the side of the shooter. rhett o rick Apr 2012 #84

I Love Placing Sociopaths on Ignore fascisthunter Apr 2012 #82