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92. As a matter of raw political science, they're not.

Thu Feb 5, 2015, 06:20 PM

Feb 2015

One is an ideology; the other is a direct statement on a pending political act.

Each requires a different political response, which rarely involves posturing on the internet.

And I'll keep calling simple-minded bigotry when I see it posted.

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Pope Endorses Referendum Denying Marriage And Adoption Rights To Same-Sex Couples [View all] Zenlitened Feb 2015 OP

But, but, but he's our new wonderful liberal pope. HERVEPA Feb 2015 #1

This! n/t marym625 Feb 2015 #3

That was always just BS. Here's the new pope, same as the old pope, just djean111 Feb 2015 #47

Are you Catholic? sundevil2000 Feb 2015 #54

That makes no difference to anything. A completely irrelevant question. closeupready Feb 2015 #56

Then why did that person post that he was their new wonderful liberal pope? sundevil2000 Feb 2015 #61

Not surprised marym625 Feb 2015 #2

His many defenders and promoters on DU will never comment on this Bluenorthwest Feb 2015 #4

They have no fucking convictions at all. William769 Feb 2015 #12

But later they will post photos of him hand feeding a panda bear and they'll all swoon and delcare Bluenorthwest Feb 2015 #16

With a few prominent skepticscott Feb 2015 #114

I never judged the pope, but had hopes for him. Lucky Luciano Feb 2015 #38

Pope Francis represents a small step to the left, returning to the position of John Paul II, after AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #42

But in reality, Ratzinger wrote entire books about globalization and income inequality and actually Bluenorthwest Feb 2015 #51

That's a good point, but Ratzinger failed *hard* on the PR aspect of it. AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #53

Yup. Nor will the thousands of the laity who, conversely, demand that muslims loudly denounce closeupready Feb 2015 #57

And there it is. The Pope is Catholic. MineralMan Feb 2015 #5

What say you now, Pope Slobberers? Arugula Latte Feb 2015 #6

Of course he did. PeaceNikki Feb 2015 #7

Still want him to speak to our Congress? If that occurs, what position does the Jefferson23 Feb 2015 #8

His 'help' is not welcome nor wanted in any capacity. Bluenorthwest Feb 2015 #11

The Democrats in power want him there, so it is a problem.They're already Jefferson23 Feb 2015 #15

Says who? Boehner invited him. You straight folks need to start paying your own damn price Bluenorthwest Feb 2015 #19

Pelosi objected? It is you who needs to learn what is going on and who is using who. Jefferson23 Feb 2015 #20

You said 'the Democrats in power want him there' Pelosi is one person. Bluenorthwest Feb 2015 #21

Oh yea, she has no power and where are all the other Demorats who have voiced Jefferson23 Feb 2015 #23

You were asking what price we were willing to pay for his help on income inequality. Bluenorthwest Feb 2015 #25

Collectively, in all my posts, I don't feel I am the one who did not speak clearly. n/t Jefferson23 Feb 2015 #27

Tell him to take a long walk off a short pier. William769 Feb 2015 #14

They won't do that, and it gets too cozy for him to speak there, I think. Jefferson23 Feb 2015 #17

President Obama's SOTU was pretty clear. William769 Feb 2015 #22

He should not speak before Congress, it is asking for trouble. n/t Jefferson23 Feb 2015 #24

Glad to see you spell that out. Bluenorthwest Feb 2015 #26

But, but, but, this can't be true! EvolveOrConvolve Feb 2015 #9

Well, bvf Feb 2015 #31

That's very Jesus like of him. William769 Feb 2015 #10

Oh, but he's so charming or something! REP Feb 2015 #13

Spreading love and the bonding of people as usual, NOT!!! This pope's hatefulness turns my stomach. RKP5637 Feb 2015 #18

As a heretic Catholic, in a heretic family... hunter Feb 2015 #28

Naturally. n/t. bvf Feb 2015 #29

Is that what Jesus would do, Francis? nt SunSeeker Feb 2015 #30

so pope photo op is at it again. niyad Feb 2015 #32

Remember that time buzzfeed reported the Pope said cats and dogs could go to Heaven? krawhitham Feb 2015 #33

That was a satire site, that got taken seriously. This material is from the Catholic News Service AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #40

Ugh... sakabatou Feb 2015 #34

The bestest most liberal Pope Evaaa!!!!!! obxhead Feb 2015 #35

He has no more authority to speak on civil law in Slovakia than he does in Indiana. rug Feb 2015 #36

What a pathetic deflection. AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #39

Happily, this poster is a lone voice here skepticscott Feb 2015 #45

I was wondering who would show up to defend the faith. Warren Stupidity Feb 2015 #49

I know there are still knee-jerk defenders skepticscott Feb 2015 #50

Get off your high horse. Comrade Grumpy Feb 2015 #58

Oh please...he's not even making a teensy diversion from bigotry skepticscott Feb 2015 #59

You're outing yourself, scottie. rug Feb 2015 #66

The issue at hand is more than sufficient. AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #79

Ah. he tagged the peanut gallery instead. rug Feb 2015 #81

Nobody 'tagged' anything. If you want your exchanges private, use PM's. AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #83

When I want to discuss something with you, AC, you will know it. rug Feb 2015 #85

That's what I thought. AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #89

FYI - This post was sent to jury. TM99 Feb 2015 #110

Of course it was. Thanks for posting the results. rug Feb 2015 #118

The pope has no intent to turn on this issue at all. AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #76

You've always had a probelm with facts, nuance and context Warren. rug Feb 2015 #65

And he didn't disappoint skepticscott Feb 2015 #69

The passive-agressive indirect ad homs you post are still ad homs. rug Feb 2015 #88

You still don't disappoint skepticscott Feb 2015 #95

The only disappoint I see here is your failure to back up your accusation. rug Feb 2015 #98

I accused you skepticscott Feb 2015 #105

That is a predictably weaselly answer from you. rug Feb 2015 #107

Did you drop your alleged ignore list to post this? rug Feb 2015 #64

Let's see if you have the integrity skepticscott Feb 2015 #71

Good, let's use clear words instead of weaseling. rug Feb 2015 #86

You were challenged to quote me directly skepticscott Feb 2015 #111

Oh? You were not accusing me of defending homophobic bigotry? rug Feb 2015 #117

You are actively engaged in this thread, deflecting for a man who is engaged in homophobic bigotry. AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #82

Shoo, someone else has my attention. rug Feb 2015 #87

I know reading timestamps can be tricky, but I engaged you in this thread before he showed up. AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #91

Good, keep reading timestamps. rug Feb 2015 #96

No weasels in post 82. Let's see you actually respond to it, eh? AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #99

Order takeout. rug Feb 2015 #100

Yeah, that's what I thought. AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #102

This poster needs to look in the mirror skepticscott Feb 2015 #112

Ah, you're back to the passive-aggressive indirect ad homs. rug Feb 2015 #120

jury duty brought me here ... was there a glitch or is this longest jury result ever? *update* Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2015 #70

alerted at 1:44pm Results at 4:45pm ... gotta be a contender for the title. right? Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2015 #72

I would assume that to be a time-zone differential in the text of the timestamp, but AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #94

why would my time stamp vary? but, Yes Juror #1 went over, above and beyond the call of duty. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2015 #104

Well, the site software might do something silly like record the client timestamp of submission AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #108

Must have been a glitch skepticscott Feb 2015 #77

Those four you already have must have been glitches. rug Feb 2015 #90

How many "glitches" do you have? truebrit71 Feb 2015 #119

Take a look. Why, it's simply one more than you! rug Feb 2015 #121

One more? truebrit71 Feb 2015 #122

The night is young, brit. rug Feb 2015 #123

This isn't your usual playground rug... truebrit71 Feb 2015 #124

I don't do playgrounds, brit. rug Feb 2015 #125

Nope, i prefer adult conversation, with fellow grown-ups.... truebrit71 Feb 2015 #126

Oh, I can see that. rug Feb 2015 #127

So, tell us what smileys mean then. AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #130

Tell me who "us" is. rug Feb 2015 #133

On this thread, everyone but you apparently. AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #135

No one but you has asked, apparently. rug Feb 2015 #141

Why so coy? AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #144

Are you still subbing for scottie? rug Feb 2015 #147

Deflection ++ AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #153

Refraction. rug Feb 2015 #155

rug never answers a direct question.... truebrit71 Feb 2015 #151

Present company excepted of course.. truebrit71 Feb 2015 #134

The only pathos here is your inveterate hatred of anything concerning any Pope. rug Feb 2015 #62

In this case, they are one and the same. AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #73

As a matter of raw political science, they're not. rug Feb 2015 #92

The pope approaches both elements from the same position. AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #97

The OP is about a specific event. rug Feb 2015 #103

A specific event for which the pope, and the curch separately have recent and enduring history on. AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #109

are you chiding the poster for "hating" (your word, not his) the Pope? CreekDog Feb 2015 #74

Interesting how "anti-Catholic bullshit" really gets your goat, yet anti-gay and Arugula Latte Feb 2015 #148

Interesting how you place your thoughts in my head. rug Feb 2015 #154

So... when he says something "nice and compassionate" he's a strong voice with power and influence PeaceNikki Feb 2015 #55

Where has he said that and who has said that about what you say he said? rug Feb 2015 #67

by supporting the referendum and actions of the church in Slovakia which would deny their rights CreekDog Feb 2015 #78

Read the post I was replying too. rug Feb 2015 #84

I find that statement incredibly naive. Zenlitened Feb 2015 #101

I find the headline you posted to be incredible flamebait. rug Feb 2015 #106

"Flamebait"? Is that how we now refer... Zenlitened Feb 2015 #113

No, that's how "we" refer to inaccurate headlines and incomplete news articles. rug Feb 2015 #116

Is it possible you don't actually know... Zenlitened Feb 2015 #128

All sorts of dogs react to all sorts of whistles, as is evident here. rug Feb 2015 #129

28 posts in this thread. The first, a disingenuous deflection. The rest, just quibbling with meta. AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #131

I forgot that providing context antagonizes you. rug Feb 2015 #132

Oh please. AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #138

You must consider anything that does not align with wherever your thoughts are to be a deflection. rug Feb 2015 #139

No, THIS is a deflection. AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #143

"semi-captive audience"? rug Feb 2015 #146

Yes, semi-captive. AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #152

Results... Major Nikon Feb 2015 #149

Thanks for posting the results. rug Feb 2015 #150

it's an accurate headline CreekDog Feb 2015 #136

You're a poor psychoanalyst CreekDog. rug Feb 2015 #137

You read them all? CreekDog Feb 2015 #140

Now that you mention it, no. There may be one or two where you exhibited shame. rug Feb 2015 #142

But but but he had a press release about... BrotherIvan Feb 2015 #37

this Pope isn't really any different from other Popes and Catholic Leaders, they have almost always JI7 Feb 2015 #41

Francis is hatemongering again. As predictable as the sunrise. nt Zorra Feb 2015 #43

Seems like Francis is the one with the Hate....... Marrah_G Feb 2015 #52

Who is surprised by this? Behind the Aegis Feb 2015 #44

Certainly no one who has been paying attention this whole time... trotsky Feb 2015 #48

... SidDithers Feb 2015 #46

+1 Go Vols Feb 2015 #156

Weak, corrupt carpet-bagging. n/t Orsino Feb 2015 #60

Lots of carpet baggery skepticscott Feb 2015 #158

Bigotry from the catholic church? horrifying! Shocking! oh my! La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2015 #63

The pope is just a man with a funny hat. lynne Feb 2015 #68

Unfortunately, that is simply not true: Zenlitened Feb 2015 #93

What is he doing getting into politics? KamaAina Feb 2015 #75

That stinks and is highly disappointing. I want to be able to get married in every state and country hrmjustin Feb 2015 #80

Separation of Church and State, please. bigwillq Feb 2015 #115

Not surprising in the least riderinthestorm Feb 2015 #145

"A big billboard of Pope Francis hangs over the centre of Slovakia�s capital, urging citizens..." Zenlitened Feb 2015 #157