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89. "Westerners" were equally awful. How does that "condone" anything?

Thu Feb 5, 2015, 08:57 PM

Feb 2015

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Our direct, not-that-long-go ancestors used to things like tear people apart slowly over an hour or more with red-hot pincers. It is not wrong to make note of these things, in general. It would be stupid to use that to *excuse* these fuckers, sure. It does nothing of the sort. What it does is shows that what these fuckers do is not somehow "inhuman." It isn't "unislamic" and it sure as hell isn't "unchristian."

When some of us bring it up, it is *most of the time* A) a response to "these people aren't truly members of group X," B) a response to "only group X-sub-i could be so evil, unlike the one true X, the X-sub-j" or C) an attempt to immunize the discussion vs the (all too likely) event that someone will go off about A or B in the near future.

Do you know what these cages are, that hang from the steeple of a Christian church in Münster Germany?

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Trying to condone the burning to death of a man in a cage [View all] Peacetrain Feb 2015 OP

Great OP yeoman6987 Feb 2015 #1

Have a link to the thread that "tried to justify what ISIS does"? arcane1 Feb 2015 #15

And I wonder if the OP knows the meaning of "condone" Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2015 #25

Apparently, vocabulary and reading comprehension are not the strong suits Maedhros Feb 2015 #28

How about the word "justifying" VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #64

That is silly, how does the truth "justify" what ISIS did? Dragonfli Feb 2015 #100

but to dismiss it BECAUSE of the Crusades IS Justifying it! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #109

But that is an Obama quote. You are saying that he IS justifying it!!~! Since when Dragonfli Feb 2015 #113

No I am not, he didn't dismiss it....that is what some on DU did VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #115

But you were responding to what He said, too late to backpedal now, you have been outed Dragonfli Feb 2015 #116

What???? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #117

I don't have to read your mind or his, I quoted him, I did not Tarot read him Dragonfli Feb 2015 #118

No it wasn't....it was YOUR interpretation of them... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #119

Reread the exchange. You were the one interpreting his words, not me /nt Dragonfli Feb 2015 #120

No....that is not... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #121

Keep telling yourself that, Maybe at least you will believe it. /nt Dragonfli Feb 2015 #122

I certainly don't care what you think.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #123

Conservatives seldom do Dragonfli Feb 2015 #124

I wouldn't know....I'm not one....and neither is President Obama! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #125

Mirror image of when people are asked if they like the ACA and they say yes, but cui bono Feb 2015 #129

That's totally unfair! MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #156

I think I have a solution that would be fair, and I apologize for not stating Dragonfli Feb 2015 #157

Are you seriously attacking our President for speaking the plain truth? MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #114

Link please because no one said that here. Kingofalldems Feb 2015 #72

No, it's not. Hissyspit Feb 2015 #91

K & R. n/t FSogol Feb 2015 #2

who are you talking to? GeorgeGist Feb 2015 #3

Well since Obama said it first, I guess the POTUS!? Rex Feb 2015 #7

Yes and the Inquisitions were evil...pure and simple. Rex Feb 2015 #4

^ BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2015 #31

+1 demmiblue Feb 2015 #37

Why was there a Spanish Inquisition? AngryAmish Feb 2015 #78

Because no one expected it? nomorenomore08 Feb 2015 #85

The biggest distinction I can see is whether it is video taped and uploaded to the internet or not. Electric Monk Feb 2015 #5

Yes. bvf Feb 2015 #14

Like no one has ever faked a video before. truedelphi Feb 2015 #46

Was this the set? AngryAmish Feb 2015 #79

Hmmm...that set looks somehow familiar. brendan120678 Feb 2015 #97

That goes along with my line of thinking. nilesobek Feb 2015 #112

100% correct, but I will tell you that arguing with those who do this is like arguing with anti-vaxx stevenleser Feb 2015 #6

Well, I'll tell you this, dear Steven - my doctor doesn't call me 'fucking stupid'; closeupready Feb 2015 #9

Are you an anti-vaxxer? ConservativeDemocrat Feb 2015 #33

Agreed. And thanks for the reference a while back that explained it to me. freshwest Feb 2015 #19

It is the reasons some attempt to blame the abuse of children on the fact they were Thinkingabout Feb 2015 #43

Okay, so nobody can have a discussion here without your pre-approval? closeupready Feb 2015 #8

Because that's what Peacetrain said. No, wait, Peacetrain ... 11 Bravo Feb 2015 #11

No! but wait! Peacetrain actually said this: closeupready Feb 2015 #16

The OP said "condone" not "conflate" arcane1 Feb 2015 #17

I think Peacetrain meant the word "justify" VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #65

and that is just as dishonest and almost as nasty. A comparison isn't justification either. TheKentuckian Feb 2015 #92

YES! Thank you, well said eissa Feb 2015 #10

Thank you for bringing the reality to us. And tears for the people. freshwest Feb 2015 #21

You got five on it? I'm sure you folks can put your money together and raise a nice mercenary army TheKentuckian Feb 2015 #24

Actually, we are, thanks for bringing it up eissa Feb 2015 #32

That is awesome that folks are serious and appreciate your response. TheKentuckian Feb 2015 #54

The Assyrians have been begging for help for years eissa Feb 2015 #56

Just out of curiosity, what's your opinion on Kurdish resistance groups like the YPG and PKK? My KingCharlemagne Feb 2015 #62

"It's complicated" eissa Feb 2015 #67

Much obliged for this detailed and thoughtful reply. I'm ashamed to admit that I know almost nothing KingCharlemagne Feb 2015 #70

You're not alone eissa Feb 2015 #71

Clarification: my comrades are Socialists and Communists, and not Kurdish per se. That said, they KingCharlemagne Feb 2015 #74

Why do you hate the President? DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2015 #48

What freshwest said. Waiting For Everyman Feb 2015 #53

It's understandable eissa Feb 2015 #58

crucifying and then burying children alive...for just one example of the horror! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #66

...^ that 840high Feb 2015 #88

Thank You! Waiting For Everyman Feb 2015 #12

Tell it to the President, or is he not permitted to bring the past up either? DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2015 #47

I already did (so to speak). Waiting For Everyman Feb 2015 #50

And so you did. DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2015 #51

If anyone on DU is "condoning" this, I managed to miss it. arcane1 Feb 2015 #13

I don't know if there are OPs, but I ran across the posts during the night. I skipped them. freshwest Feb 2015 #23

that's because there isn't a soul on this board 'condoning' the ISIS atrocities bigtree Feb 2015 #30

+1 Exactly whatchamacallit Feb 2015 #52

Jingoism - it's not just for Republicans anymore...[n/t] Maedhros Feb 2015 #61

Well said. Thank you. Now I don't have to post that myself. nt 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #83

applause from the peanut gallery. Perfectly stated. TheKentuckian Feb 2015 #93

Plus one million B2G Feb 2015 #18

more self-important strawshit bigtree Feb 2015 #20

+1 demmiblue Feb 2015 #39

+1,000,000,000,000. closeupready Feb 2015 #59

With respect, I think you are misreading the OP. Which is not hard to do, it is..inelegant... Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #134

ffs, give it a rest bigtree Feb 2015 #139

Wish I could rec this 1000 times. AwakeAtLast Feb 2015 #22

Well said Peacetrain. outside Feb 2015 #26

It might be a valid point, Maedhros Feb 2015 #27

Strawman alert............. yellowcanine Feb 2015 #29

+1. The title of the OP is a **STRAWMAN** Martin Eden Feb 2015 #94

Thank you. cwydro Feb 2015 #34

ISIS also has a lot of support in the Islamic world Warpy Feb 2015 #35

or ISIS murders all the non-participants. Ford_Prefect Feb 2015 #41

ISIS is only getting support from extremists. There's no widespread support for them... Violet_Crumble Feb 2015 #110

Yes, our atrocities are more better because you say so whatchamacallit Feb 2015 #36

Someone's off the beam, and it's you. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2015 #38

what about passive-aggressive accusations and dishonest blood libels? are those good now? MisterP Feb 2015 #40

Strawman AgingAmerican Feb 2015 #42

I don't think anyone's "condoning" these acts.. mountain grammy Feb 2015 #44

Seemingly willful and malicious misrepresentation. If there is a single statement made in support of TheKentuckian Feb 2015 #45

It isn't ann--- Feb 2015 #49

You're right. sybylla Feb 2015 #60

No, no one here is saying that the atrocities committed by ISIS are "no big deal." Vattel Feb 2015 #68

This message was self-deleted by its author markpkessinger Feb 2015 #55

To fail to condemn it anywhere is a failure to condemn it everywhere aint_no_life_nowhere Feb 2015 #57

There are two sides of this discussion..... RationalMan Feb 2015 #63

Sometimes both sides are just fucking wrong. world wide wally Feb 2015 #69

When you condemn ISIS, I agree with you. FiveGoodMen Feb 2015 #73

Post removed Post removed Feb 2015 #75

"They are evil.. pure and simple." < Yeah, that's what they tried to teach us about the Japanese, jtuck004 Feb 2015 #76

NOBODY is trying to condone the actions of ISIS G_j Feb 2015 #77

Two points . . . markpkessinger Feb 2015 #80

+1 Blue_Tires Feb 2015 #81

Stating that a citizen of the US has no standing to comment is not by any means 'condoning' eridani Feb 2015 #82

What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans and the homeless Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2015 #84

Complete agreement sub.theory Feb 2015 #86

"Any attempt to minimize or equivocate what those devils did is beyond sickening." Hissyspit Feb 2015 #95

Why do some think we have to go back to ancient history to bring up similiar war crimes by the U.S.? dissentient Feb 2015 #87

"Westerners" were equally awful. How does that "condone" anything? enki23 Feb 2015 #89

Didn't you already tweet this under your pseudonym Michelle Malkin? Dragonfli Feb 2015 #90

Comparing the OP to Malkin is an uncalled for totodeinhere Feb 2015 #101

Not a personal attack. the OP holds the same exact position, so on this issue Dragonfli Feb 2015 #102

How can making the comparisons be a slur if they are comparitively the same? rhett o rick Feb 2015 #106

ISIS are literalist muslims. Yorktown Feb 2015 #96

The Book's way or the highway, except if you're Protestant. closeupready Feb 2015 #103

I agree with you. Yo_Mama Feb 2015 #98

just because we have done horrific things, doesnt mean this was not horrific La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2015 #99

I agree completely aint_no_life_nowhere Feb 2015 #104

You should be commended for not sinking to the level of the really unhinged and beyond stupid Number23 Feb 2015 #105

Well don't do that then. Iggo Feb 2015 #107

No one is "condone[ing] the burning to death of a man in a cage" and shame on you to suggest rhett o rick Feb 2015 #108

Well said. You beat me to it... Violet_Crumble Feb 2015 #111

Reading the transcript I think President Obama missed exboyfil Feb 2015 #126

That is what you have gotten out of all the discussion? That the actions by ISIS is being condoned notadmblnd Feb 2015 #127

A thread in response to this very dishonest OP . . . markpkessinger Feb 2015 #128

Strawman. Eko Feb 2015 #130

bingo. . . .n/t annabanana Feb 2015 #131

To explain my rec, I am capable of being outraged by many inhumanities done to man uppityperson Feb 2015 #132

Saying someone is "evil" Eko Feb 2015 #133

Oh. So rather than asking what I mean by that term, you assume, chastise, scold. uppityperson Feb 2015 #135

I dont believe Eko Feb 2015 #136

We all define every word the same way? Again, oh. uppityperson Feb 2015 #138

I will be happy to adress you second point Eko Feb 2015 #142

Go here uppityperson Feb 2015 #145

And you did say ETA Eko Feb 2015 #137

I copy/pasted from the op. Did you know you can edit your posts to add further thoughts? ETA uppityperson Feb 2015 #140

The dictionary Eko Feb 2015 #141

Do you think you and I define "Love" the same as a dictionary or each other? uppityperson Feb 2015 #143

So can you clairify Eko Feb 2015 #146

"morally wrong or bad; immoral; wicked: harmful; injurious: marked by anger, irritability, uppityperson Feb 2015 #147

I will let slide that one of your Eko Feb 2015 #148

165,00 dead Iraqis make it only "misguided" to burn people alive? uppityperson Feb 2015 #149

Pretty sure this was my quote. ETA Eko Feb 2015 #150

I am not your buddy. "The dictionary defines words, if you choose to use a different meaning then uppityperson Feb 2015 #151

In post 146 Eko Feb 2015 #152

I am not your buddy. eom uppityperson Feb 2015 #153

Alright pal. Eko Feb 2015 #154

No, the West has never, ever done anything like what ISIS did . . . markpkessinger Feb 2015 #144

Lololol. Strawman argument Katashi_itto Feb 2015 #155