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nikto

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196. I can understand folks with "mixed feelings" about Snowden, who at least acknowledge...

Thu Feb 5, 2015, 11:11 PM

Feb 2015

...How frikkin' indispensable the disclosures are to a so-called "free-society".

Nobody has to LIKE Snowden.

But what he DID, he did for The People (against scary, vengeful elites, with the full-force of corporate media on their side).

I guess some folks just can't think of the world in such complex terms,
and need everything to be black or white.
Then, they know for sure.

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Glenn Greenwald tells the truth, and makes many uncomfortable [View all] MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 OP

Greenwald. LOL...nt SidDithers Feb 2015 #1

Ha elias49 Feb 2015 #16

Report Indicates Snowden/Greenwald Lied About Key Claims uhnope Feb 2015 #172

So you won't be coming back? OK. elias49 Feb 2015 #178

? uhnope Feb 2015 #179

RT, Thom hartmann and Amy Goodman aren't over. navarth Feb 2015 #181

Dithers. LOL... whatchamacallit Feb 2015 #39

Bit of a one trick pony, isn't he...nt bahrbearian Feb 2015 #42

Indeed! nt City Lights Feb 2015 #72

I stoled that from Sid bahrbearian Feb 2015 #87

Lol, good one. That thread didn't go so well, did it? Try as they might, most people very much sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #119

I hate to break this to you leftynyc Feb 2015 #133

"He's a narcissistic twit" Helen Borg Feb 2015 #136

Why yes, I do leftynyc Feb 2015 #141

... Estevan Feb 2015 #158

Most people I know, know who he is. I don't think he has anything to worry about there. However he sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #201

He's STILL leftynyc Feb 2015 #203

You're very worried about him. Why, if he's so insignificant? He's a Pulitzer Prize winning sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #213

You really do live in a fantasy leftynyc Feb 2015 #214

Curious, why are you so obsessed with Greenwald? You've expressed your disdain countless times.. 2banon Feb 2015 #205

Obsessed? leftynyc Feb 2015 #206

Hero Worship? Nahh... 2banon Feb 2015 #209

If Greenwald wasn't a one trick pony leftynyc Feb 2015 #210

If any of that were true, you'd have a point! sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #216

U.S.A.! U.S.A.! U.S.A.! 2banon Feb 2015 #220

+1,000,000 lark Feb 2015 #171

+1,000,000,000 LiberalLovinLug Feb 2015 #185

You are so right, about people who must be sitting around all day waiting for threads that sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #197

Just sour grapes from jealous competitors no doubt, not getting enough or any attention - 2banon Feb 2015 #207

Haha! City Lights Feb 2015 #148

And totally effective!!! Major Hogwash Feb 2015 #82

Very Effective, Before his post 0 Recs ,after his post 122> Recs bahrbearian Feb 2015 #88

Sid is a first responder. Major Hogwash Feb 2015 #91

This message was self-deleted by its author 840high Feb 2015 #90

Lol! sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #106

Ad Hominem FAIL. Again. grahamhgreen Feb 2015 #85

Oh! MrMickeysMom Feb 2015 #104

Ha! Exactly. nt raouldukelives Feb 2015 #152

Did you agree with Greenwald when he attacked Warren for her statements on Israel/Gaza Cali_Democrat Feb 2015 #2

I'm not sure - it did make me think about it though. nt MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #5

I like Greewald, but don't always agree with him. I don't always agree with Sen Warren rhett o rick Feb 2015 #11

Are you and Manny Siamese twins? I asked him a question and suddenly it's 'we'? LOL. nt Cali_Democrat Feb 2015 #19

What kind of a dimwit discusses on a discussion board? MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #22

Transgender Former Olympic medalists turned Reality Show actor/actress'? Katashi_itto Feb 2015 #41

Seem to me that you don't like people that speak out to authority. Do you support the rhett o rick Feb 2015 #43

Perhaps you might want to google my stance on US drone attacks Cali_Democrat Feb 2015 #46

Which, of course, doesn't mean that you haven't MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #52

Aren't you the same person who would have overturned the election of Obama in favor of McCain? Cali_Democrat Feb 2015 #103

Here's one huge difference between you and me, Cali_Democrat, MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #143

So not only did you want McCain over Obama.... Cali_Democrat Feb 2015 #164

You didn't read Manny's post at all, or did, and chose to ignore it and try to give the impression sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #202

I am glad to hear that and appologize for misjudging. rhett o rick Feb 2015 #57

The problem is that you think you know me... Cali_Democrat Feb 2015 #105

Hard to be a Democrat and NOT agree with Greenwald on Drones. sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #108

Don't you tire of getting owned on these threads? Scuba Feb 2015 #138

nicely put guillaumeb Feb 2015 #68

This is a discussion board with an active community. obxhead Feb 2015 #51

I think stonecutter357 Feb 2015 #137

Do you agree with everything someone says? I can't think of anyone, including my mom, that sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #107

Rich, white men is who the founders had in mind when carving out everything. Ykcutnek Feb 2015 #3

Gay Jews? nt MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #6

+1 n/t lumberjack_jeff Feb 2015 #157

Not really; that actually oversimplifies things. AverageJoe90 Feb 2015 #223

K&R for Greenwald. I agree with them, he is a Liberal treasure Autumn Feb 2015 #4

what's this all about then? have I missed the latest two-minute hate? frylock Feb 2015 #7

. MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #8

hmmmnnn.. yes, i managed to stumble upon that prior to your reply.. frylock Feb 2015 #10

That was embarrassing. Either stupid or dishonest. Maybe both. Comrade Grumpy Feb 2015 #76

DURec for Greenwald, bvar22 Feb 2015 #9

No one wants to look into that mirror. Here is but a distant glimpse lest we forget.... xocet Feb 2015 #116

I wonder how many innocents were burned alive... bvar22 Feb 2015 #186

He would have much more support on DU LittleBlue Feb 2015 #12

That is true. AtomicKitten Feb 2015 #15

That is it in a nutshell. n/t truedelphi Feb 2015 #83

ACTUALLY you can narrow that down Skittles Feb 2015 #86

That doesn't make sense, or are you saying that the Greenwald haters also hate Obama? I thought sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #120

He did have that support, almost unanimous support, when the man in the WH WAS a Republican. sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #112

Haters of Greenwald obxhead Feb 2015 #13

Doesn't Greenwald align himself more with republicans than Democrats? George II Feb 2015 #29

Some, many elected democrats align themselves with republicans more than Democrats, such Autumn Feb 2015 #44

No, he exposed the Bush criminals on a regular basis /nt Dragonfli Feb 2015 #45

Does he? obxhead Feb 2015 #49

Far from it. Considering he spent most of his time, during the Bush years, BASHING Bush/Cheney and sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #121

Greenwald is a treasure Oilwellian Feb 2015 #14

+1 I remember those days....glad you brought it up. nt snappyturtle Feb 2015 #38

Yep, everyone here loved him back then. The Right absolutely hated him, and used to go to his blog sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #123

He's a real treasure all right itsrobert Feb 2015 #17

That would be humor, if it were funny. Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #20

Sorry, Manny, but I'll have to disagree. AverageJoe90 Feb 2015 #18

Agreed. nt mimi85 Feb 2015 #26

Ditto George II Feb 2015 #31

Mediocre journalists willing to take on important stories... Orsino Feb 2015 #160

Okay you can have your opinion LiberalLovinLug Feb 2015 #217

As a famous Democratic President said, "Tell the truth, and they will think its hell!" dissentient Feb 2015 #21

That quote should be at the top of every DU page. nt MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #23

lol, agreed. But I was just paraphrasing the quote, It may not be the exact quote. dissentient Feb 2015 #24

And I appreciate what he did...and it took courage to do it. zeemike Feb 2015 #25

Courage? Greenwald? Then why has he fled the country on a bogus claim? George II Feb 2015 #32

Probably because he doesn't want to be arrested on bogus "espionage" charges 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #36

Yeah, breaking the law is "bogus" YoungDemCA Feb 2015 #54

Framing-up legitimate whistle-blowers and investigative journalists with charges of espionage 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #59

Yes, I remember him whining leftynyc Feb 2015 #134

I find it amusing how far you Greenwald haters 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #182

I don't have to go far at all leftynyc Feb 2015 #183

Your contempt is sorely misplaced IMHO 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #187

Perhaps leftynyc Feb 2015 #204

You may be right about one thing 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #215

When did Greenwald flee the country? Did I miss something? Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2015 #58

He didn't, that is a right wing smear now adopted by some on the left, and has been debunked so sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #124

I know of not one single Leftist engaged in any charachter assassination of GG. Not One.. 2banon Feb 2015 #218

Me neither, never met a Leftist who engaged in the attacks on Greenwald. Quite the contrary, they sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #219

The facts are to be ignored. The point is to "discredit" vis a vis charachter assassination 2banon Feb 2015 #221

Lol, I do agree with you. Have fun with the fiddle and the sewing. sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #222

Wow, you have all the talking points, old ones, all of which have been debunked her numerous sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #122

Tell it Sabrina!! Bohunk68 Feb 2015 #145

Greenwally is Papa Paul Tool! Cryptoad Feb 2015 #27

Are you trying to attract cockroaches? Fuddnik Feb 2015 #28

talk about a guy who just fell off the face of the earth arely staircase Feb 2015 #30

Post removed Post removed Feb 2015 #33

The more Greenwald's detractors blather their hate, 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #34

Exactly !!! WillyT Feb 2015 #35

Apparently "real democrats" only like some truths whatchamacallit Feb 2015 #37

Glenn Greenwald: BURNING VICTIMS TO DEATH: STILL A COMMON PRACTICE cpwm17 Feb 2015 #40

Thank you. Anyone who deliberately slips past that to try to score a political smear woo me with science Feb 2015 #80

Nicely said Vattel Feb 2015 #99

And it should remind us that Bush/Cheney LIED us into a war that has spread across the region, that sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #115

Yes, the racist war mongers have been spectacularly successful. cpwm17 Feb 2015 #130

Liberal what? Historic NY Feb 2015 #47

Yup... malokvale77 Feb 2015 #48

Nah Andy823 Feb 2015 #64

Gotcha. malokvale77 Feb 2015 #66

Your funny, you see libertarians everywhere, a little hint, libertarians are not liberals Dragonfli Feb 2015 #67

Well said malokvale77 Feb 2015 #73

Really? Andy823 Feb 2015 #154

I was just riffing off your paranoia, you appear to see them everywhere and in great abundance here Dragonfli Feb 2015 #155

He is not a Libertarian. Another talking point surfaces. He has been very clear on what his sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #125

"Infiltrated" Bobbie Jo Feb 2015 #69

Fooled you... malokvale77 Feb 2015 #75

Yeah, whatever Bobbie Jo Feb 2015 #93

Well, then allow a longtimer leftynyc Feb 2015 #135

Don't you have an anti-Obama and/or anti-Hillary "satire" to write? YoungDemCA Feb 2015 #50

I'm probably being tone-deaf, but I don't understand your bit MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #55

You don't know much about the founders. Interesting, the bashing of the Founders. It began sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #127

Post removed Post removed Feb 2015 #199

Rec for all of my Puglover Feb 2015 #53

If self-reflection and criticism is "narcissism", we need more of it. Bonobo Feb 2015 #56

Oh, yea, if he tells the truth why does he change his story, one or the other Thinkingabout Feb 2015 #60

What are you talking about? Sounds random and made up Dragonfli Feb 2015 #63

Maybe you have not seen the different stories he tells, I do not have any Thinkingabout Feb 2015 #74

I have read him since he served George bush his ass. Dragonfli Feb 2015 #77

He can't keep his stories together, I could care less about what he did Thinkingabout Feb 2015 #89

What did he change, your imagination? I applauded him exposing Bush, Dragonfli Feb 2015 #94

To be honest with you I am not a long time reader of Greenwald, don't know what you are Thinkingabout Feb 2015 #97

Don't you find it strange that only you have seen these mythical "changes"? Dragonfli Feb 2015 #98

Continue to read him, I may read or lusten to his crap from time to time but I will Thinkingabout Feb 2015 #100

Anything? You've been asked several times to cite an example. DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2015 #153

Of course you are free to read or not read as you like, as am I. Dragonfli Feb 2015 #163

It seems reasonable that any change you assert could be demonstrated. sibelian Feb 2015 #198

I've been reading Greenwald since he was just a blogger back in 2005. Where has he changed his sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #211

Well, let's see one of those stories... MrMickeysMom Feb 2015 #101

Silence is deafening isn't it? elias49 Feb 2015 #78

K & R Greenwald ...for pissing off all the right people. L0oniX Feb 2015 #61

kick L0oniX Feb 2015 #161

He is very annoying to the pro-war wing of the party who excuse our atrocities. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2015 #62

Wow Andy823 Feb 2015 #65

Go ahead and point out his verifiable lies and I'll donate $100 to DU. DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2015 #175

Many uncomfortable in this party too. n/t ozone_man Feb 2015 #70

DURec leftstreet Feb 2015 #71

Kick & Rec elias49 Feb 2015 #79

K&R Love comparing recs on this thread to the train wreck that inspired it. woo me with science Feb 2015 #81

Greenwald speaks truth to power and corruption Ramses Feb 2015 #84

Truth. 840high Feb 2015 #92

Exactly,, nikto Feb 2015 #96

Very insightful Dragonfli Feb 2015 #102

Thanks... nikto Feb 2015 #129

DUers are very smart. Most of them 'got' what was going on re Greenwald, a long time ago. sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #117

To me, Snowden-hate is one of the litmus tests for stupidity, or right-wingism nikto Feb 2015 #131

What you said. Bohunk68 Feb 2015 #147

+1... freebrew Feb 2015 #149

It is and it does work, every time. sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #159

I can understand folks with "mixed feelings" about Snowden, who at least acknowledge... nikto Feb 2015 #196

It appears a few people here are afraid exposure will lead to less fiery deaths. Dragonfli Feb 2015 #95

Let's not overdo it MFrohike Feb 2015 #109

I question the rationale and entitlement behind this statement: Maedhros Feb 2015 #110

It's an opinion? MFrohike Feb 2015 #111

You are simply repeating, what is called, a 'talking point'. It's been repeated, verbatim sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #128

"The original source is probably a think tank" Act_of_Reparation Feb 2015 #166

No, because we KNOW that Greenwald was a target for a smear campaign as were many Liberal Orgs sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #170

excellent post. thank you. nt navarth Feb 2015 #180

Do you think that some people may diverge from Greenwald on other issues? Act_of_Reparation Feb 2015 #184

I don't know 'Driftglass' or 'Bluegal'. The 'Professional Left', btw, is another attempt to smear sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #188

"I don't know 'Driftglass' or 'Bluegal'" Act_of_Reparation Feb 2015 #208

And why should I have stopped there? sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #212

Slow down MFrohike Feb 2015 #190

Having never met the man, I don't feel entitled to pass judgement on his character. Maedhros Feb 2015 #168

Sigh MFrohike Feb 2015 #191

It's not that I've "fallen in love" with Greenwald, just that I'm put off by character attacks. Maedhros Feb 2015 #192

Then aim elsewhere MFrohike Feb 2015 #193

This is not style analysis: Maedhros Feb 2015 #194

I disagree MFrohike Feb 2015 #195

EXACTLY!! He only spoke out against the Bush admin after shit REALLY hit the fan too... uponit7771 Feb 2015 #118

I think Greenwald is pretty much a dipshit... NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #113

It's OK to think he's a dipshit nikto Feb 2015 #132

K&R for exposing secrets Generic Other Feb 2015 #114

Kick & Rec Ichingcarpenter Feb 2015 #126

He's a Pulitzer Prize winner for Public Service & an award-winning investigative journalist RiverLover Feb 2015 #139

has he been approved as a journalist by Diane Feinstein? reddread Feb 2015 #142

B-B-But Android3.14 Feb 2015 #140

K&R! This post deserves hundreds of recommendations! Enthusiast Feb 2015 #144

Well it does have 179. Getting close. Autumn Feb 2015 #150

What does it say LWolf Feb 2015 #146

That's a very catch phrase Autumn Feb 2015 #151

Isn't there only One? xocet Feb 2015 #162

He was also a regular on The Young Turks show on Al Gore's Current TV back in the day... cascadiance Feb 2015 #156

and yet rtracey Feb 2015 #165

I don't have a clue as to who he is and what he's famous for. Kaleva Feb 2015 #167

Most people don't Bobbie Jo Feb 2015 #169

Report Indicates Snowden/Greenwald Lied About Key Claims uhnope Feb 2015 #173

Rec #200 Fumesucker Feb 2015 #174

false info jimruymen Feb 2015 #176

On DU, if you tell the truth about bush Jakes Progress Feb 2015 #177

Obama is a Liberal treasure; we are very fortunate that he does what does YoungDemCA Feb 2015 #189

Obama has met his expectations of himself admirably. sibelian Feb 2015 #200