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32. While I disagree with the anti-vaxxers...

Fri Feb 6, 2015, 11:38 AM

Feb 2015

.... I have total sympathy for their point of view. It's not that people don't believe in "science", it's that in this age where everything and I mean EVERYTHING is about the money, people don't believe it IS science.

And why should they? More killer drugs have been unleashed on the public and then recalled in recent times than in all of history. Could it be that's because pharma does their OWN testing and maybe a corner or two gets cut? I'm pretty sure it is.

Could it be because useless cures like statin drugs (that do lower cholesterol but do nothing to prevent actual heart attacks) are foisted on the public like skittles?

The issue is trust and anyone that thinks medicine in America is any different than any other big business is really naive. Medicine can do some great things. But not everything done in name of "medical science" is good.

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How Collapsing Social Infrastructure Led to Everyone Becoming an Internet Medical Expert [View all] daredtowork Feb 2015 OP

before I was an internet medical expert - I was a book medical expert ha ha hollysmom Feb 2015 #1

lol, I guess the Internet didn't invent the Active Patient daredtowork Feb 2015 #2

I am 70 and have yet to have shingles, I hollysmom Feb 2015 #4

If you are playing the odds daredtowork Feb 2015 #6

If indeed the doctors of my youth were right and I was one oaf the few who did not hollysmom Feb 2015 #11

well I hope you don't get it now! D: nt daredtowork Feb 2015 #15

Just so you know . . . pnwmom Feb 2015 #9

I had restless leg syndrome, some one helped though hollysmom Feb 2015 #12

Restless leg syndrome is often connected with periodic limb movement disorder (leg jerks). pnwmom Feb 2015 #13

Great op Jesus Malverde Feb 2015 #3

Thanks! daredtowork Feb 2015 #5

I'm struggling to understand if it's just a grand self-parody project, or closeupready Feb 2015 #41

My father was an "American doctor" Blue_Tires Feb 2015 #30

You guys are predictable - you dish it out, but you can't take it. closeupready Feb 2015 #60

and who are "you guys"? Blue_Tires Feb 2015 #61

Doubtful. Anyway, done bickering. closeupready Feb 2015 #62

Thanks for your very thoughtful post. I hope many people here read it and let its truths sink in. n/t pnwmom Feb 2015 #7

Thanks for supporting it! nt daredtowork Feb 2015 #16

Your explanation breaks down because anti-vax positions are a largely affluent phenomenon. LeftyMom Feb 2015 #8

It's common among home-schooled children not to be vaccinated, since half of states pnwmom Feb 2015 #10

This is how I think the worm will turn in California daredtowork Feb 2015 #21

I hope you're wrong. pnwmom Feb 2015 #25

me, too. :/ nt daredtowork Feb 2015 #27

The vax requirements in CA are the same for public, private and homeschooled students. LeftyMom Feb 2015 #35

The larger argument is daredtowork Feb 2015 #18

When I was talking with my doctor about something I found on the internet he suggested that if jwirr Feb 2015 #48

That's a very hypocritical and self serving position. Look at this thread, readers, and note who is Bluenorthwest Feb 2015 #55

When I saw the fix-it-yourself cavity kits at Walmart... Bonobo Feb 2015 #14

lol, please tell me this was an ad on The Onion. nt daredtowork Feb 2015 #19

No, they are very very real. nt Bonobo Feb 2015 #22

omg you weren't kidding daredtowork Feb 2015 #23

The brutal reality is that there are probably millions Bonobo Feb 2015 #24

One of the reasons I'm clinging to the Bay Area daredtowork Feb 2015 #26

Wait, I've used those and not what you think cally Feb 2015 #33

"People cannot be reasoned out of what they were never reasoned into" Prism Feb 2015 #17

I'm the first to agree ignorance gets exploited by conmen daredtowork Feb 2015 #20

We need more public clinics for a start Prism Feb 2015 #28

Of course we do, but Canada and the Netherlands have great medical systems and also have major Bluenorthwest Feb 2015 #52

Absolutely 100% agreed Prism Feb 2015 #63

Great OP. Thanks for writing a thoughtful piece designed to spark discussion riderinthestorm Feb 2015 #29

You're very welcome. :D nt daredtowork Feb 2015 #36

Shorter OP: "Quit mocking the willfully ignorant for being willfully ignorant" Blue_Tires Feb 2015 #31

I take it you blame people for their poverty? nt daredtowork Feb 2015 #38

Are you saying that it is the poor who are not getting their children vaccinated? Most of us have jwirr Feb 2015 #49

I take it you think we should be nicer to those who blame poor people for their poverty kcr Feb 2015 #50

Gee, you lecture in the OP about being nice and respectful.... Bluenorthwest Feb 2015 #57

While I disagree with the anti-vaxxers... sendero Feb 2015 #32

We definitely need to work on that trust angle daredtowork Feb 2015 #39

Since the late 70s we have had TV preachers, politicians and Rs telling us we cannot trust anyone. jwirr Feb 2015 #51

Excellent post and needs wider distribution cally Feb 2015 #34

Understanding is the start of a conversation! :D nt daredtowork Feb 2015 #40

DU is filled with university medical center-affiliated medical experts, shaming 'fucking stupid closeupready Feb 2015 #37

lol, I understand daredtowork Feb 2015 #42

I actually changed my mind - I think this is a good discussion, so I'm going closeupready Feb 2015 #44

Ah, American Exceptionalism again. This theory does not hold up to global realities. Bluenorthwest Feb 2015 #43

Not everyone on the internet pretends to be an expert on everything. Do you? closeupready Feb 2015 #45

It's the title of the OP, I commented on that but I also commented on the international outbreaks Bluenorthwest Feb 2015 #47

You are an expert on absolutely everything, lol. closeupready Feb 2015 #53

Another personal attack, devoid of content, designed to avoid the facts and global realities Bluenorthwest Feb 2015 #54

Anti-vaxxers deserve all the vitriol liberalhistorian Feb 2015 #46

I'd love to write a long reply to you, shortish will have to do. Trillo Feb 2015 #56

I agree cally Feb 2015 #59

The other thought I had is, the medical experts here are worth what they're charging us. closeupready Feb 2015 #58