Nobody wants to admit this: Saddam Hussein would be our ally against ISIS

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75. Hey shadowmayor - some of us WILL NOT forget. Many of us here, within DU, for example.

And many of us ALSO will NOT forget that the list of PNAC signatories is chock-full of panty-waists and pansy-asses who NEVER served.

NEVER served.

NEVER saw combat.

NEVER put themselves in harm's way.

NEVER experienced first-hand what REAL war is.

NEVER put their own asses on the line.

NEVER got their hands dirty.

Starting with richard bruce cheney and his five deferments. Because he always had "other priorities."

The only one on the PNAC signatory list who did, to my limited knowledge - was general barry mccaffrey. I should also, for accuracy's sake, point out that rumsfeld, ironically, actually did wear his country's uniform. But he never got it dirty. He lucked out. Served between wars - I believe it was between Korea and Vietnam. So he never saw combat either. He just got lucky - served his time during peacetime and got his points and earned an honorable discharge - without EVER tasting the bitter taste of real war, and real blood, and real loss, and real carnage, and real genuine honest-to-God threats to your life that could come from anywhere - the top of a nearby building or even hidden under the ground that your humvee was about to drive across. Or if it isn't you facing that direct and constant threat, it's your buddy - who you may have just personally witnessed getting suddenly blown to Mars.

I was once begged, by a woman I knew who was gung-ho for the Iraq War because everyone she knew was a Pox Noise afficionado, to PLEEEEEZE hang out my American flag by my front door "to support our trooooooooooooops" on the day the war started. I told her the only way to "support our troops," FOR REAL, is NOT to feed them into some stupid useless wasteful Middle East meat-grinder for the sake of lies and fraud ill-gotten gains for our war machine and all its greedy corporate suppliers - a war that should NEVER have been undertaken in the first place.

It was just awful during that time. Seemed like everybody around me was so pro-bush/cheney, so gung-ho for war ("okay, if it's so damn fabulous, why don't YOU go suit up and go over there and get some!&quot and a precious few spoke up. There were a few individuals who agreed with me but only when they knew we were alone going for coffee or there was nobody else around to hear what we were grumbling about. It was really awful. Seemed like so many around me were buying and swallowing, whole, what the media was force-feeding us while banging the drum so loudly for war. It was awful. Everybody believed contradicta and wolfie and dickie and rummy and all the rest of those lying, scheming BEASTS. You could NOT talk sense into them. You could NOT open their eyes. And if you tried, it was YOU who became the enemy, the sniveling "libtard" or "Saddam-lover" or "al Qaeda sympathizer" or "anti-American" or you were just stupid and naive with your dreaded liberal kumbaya ideas and it was YOU who didn't understand. And YOU who were the traitor and disloyal and on the side of the enemy. That whole "you're either with us or agin' us" thing applied directly to YOU for "NOT supporting our troooooooooooooops."

It was awful. I don't see many of those folks anymore. Our kids all grew up and went off to college and otherwise scattered to the four winds. We weren't close anyway, so there wouldn't be much reason or opportunity to hang out together. My husband and I don't do the country club thing. But sometimes I think back on that whole bunch and wonder what they think now, and wonder - if they ever saw me and it ever came up in conversation - that they'd ever admit they were wrong. And that they'd been royally HAD by the very "heroes" they worshipped and put their faith in and stood by, so firmly, in the bush/cheney cabal. HAD - at the end of a fork. I wonder if they still think they were "right." Sadly enough, there are still too many of our fellow Americans across the country who do.

But rest assured, shadowmayor, there are many of us who don't. Many of us who weren't fooled from the very beginning. And many more of us who may have gone along at first but then started realizing they'd been lied to and that the whole sordid mess was a FRAUD. There are many of us who won't be cowed or snowed and won't shut up, either. We're here to remind everyone and anyone of what happened, so that no amount of republi-CON or CONservative attempts to rewrite history after the fact will stick.