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Major Nikon

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162. Fortunately the standards are written by people who understand beef

Sat Feb 7, 2015, 09:48 AM

Feb 2015

Not everything is as cut and dried as you seem to think. Where one primal starts and another begins depends on where the individual butcher makes their cut. What is scrap or is left on the primal is also the prerogative of the butcher. Government labeling requirements are there to insure a consistent product from one butcher to the next so that the consumer is actually getting what they are paying for.

You use that all the time?

When I have a question as to what a label means, I go to the official source that defines it. If it's undefined, it can mean pretty much anything. If it's defined, it's required to mean what is specified.

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Remember "pink slime"? The 2012 scandal about feeding us ammonia-treated scraps? [View all] woo me with science Feb 2015 OP

Makes you want to scream. marmar Feb 2015 #1

I looked this up purely out of curiosity. woo me with science Feb 2015 #12

I want to vomit. 840high Feb 2015 #63

^this^ Arugula Latte Feb 2015 #191

Which food group does ammonia belong to? world wide wally Feb 2015 #2

That will be in the "natural preservatives" listed on the label. eom MohRokTah Feb 2015 #5

Not sure, how is it listed on cheese? n/t dilby Feb 2015 #8

Not sure but I've been in a fight where I made someone eat some floor. Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2015 #24

Corporate Frankenfood group workinclasszero Feb 2015 #113

You should read what they are putting in the dog food and treats leftofcool Feb 2015 #3

I have been cooking food for my dogs for months now. phylny Feb 2015 #35

for dogfood, everything one can imagine that make it to the renderers cooker of 'meat & bonemeal' Sunlei Feb 2015 #48

We have, after our dog who was just one year old, began losing her fur. We though she had mange, sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #51

thank you.... BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2015 #120

We have cats also. Two of them, the older ones, had problems throwing up, and loose bowls, or sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #124

thanks!! BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2015 #125

Lol, they can be very picky about their food. sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #186

Mr. Mickey is now 18 and has kidney disease� but he gets his baby food, too... MrMickeysMom Feb 2015 #192

Same thing happened with my cat. LeftyMom Feb 2015 #196

Bet they fight labeling it, too. MohRokTah Feb 2015 #4

Uh oh, the Woo Warriors of DU will be very upset! BrotherIvan Feb 2015 #98

someone here said that? BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2015 #121

Ayup BrotherIvan Feb 2015 #126

I would have a problem if there was a scientific proven danger to the product. dilby Feb 2015 #6

Amonnium hydroxide as an anti-bacterial agent. MohRokTah Feb 2015 #7

It's used in making cheese all the time. dilby Feb 2015 #9

Didn't like Brie exactly for that reason. Demit Feb 2015 #11

You should go to a cheese shop dilby Feb 2015 #15

I like it well enough. To be more specific, Demit Feb 2015 #17

Blue cheese has much higher levels of ammonia than brie dilby Feb 2015 #33

My father-in-law told a story from WWII... Demit Feb 2015 #69

Did they eat it? dilby Feb 2015 #85

Yes, as I recall. They knew they were being honored. Demit Feb 2015 #89

Mold, yeasts, and bacteria have been manipulated for centuries to produce wonderful food Drahthaardogs Feb 2015 #103

Best steak I ever had was aged, from a steakhouse in NYC Demit Feb 2015 #109

I mispelled it. It is Taleggio Drahthaardogs Feb 2015 #142

"Btw, I eat & love scrapple." BumRushDaShow Feb 2015 #106

High heat so it gets crispy on the outside, mushy inside? Demit Feb 2015 #107

I hate to admit BumRushDaShow Feb 2015 #108

Ketchup contains ammonia bhikkhu Feb 2015 #122

Then, ammonia should be listed on the catsup label, preferably in plain English. merrily Feb 2015 #131

"Ammonia" is a gas that dissipates. BumRushDaShow Feb 2015 #138

Missing your point. Is it that no one should disclose that my food has been treated with ammonia? merrily Feb 2015 #140

You missed the point because BumRushDaShow Feb 2015 #143

Um, you posted a reply to my Reply 131 to bhikkhu. So, I asked what point your reply merrily Feb 2015 #145

The point was "ketchup" BumRushDaShow Feb 2015 #151

Dismissing claims of what pragmatism supposedly demands is not the same as dismissing pragmatism. merrily Feb 2015 #152

Am afaid it is. nt BumRushDaShow Feb 2015 #158

Then you just don't get it. merrily Feb 2015 #159

I get it more than you think. nt BumRushDaShow Feb 2015 #163

If you think your post 158 is a sensible reply to my post 152, you don't get it at all.nt merrily Feb 2015 #170

Since you have ignored what others have posted, have the last word as it will be a non sequitur. nt BumRushDaShow Feb 2015 #172

Lot's of very old recipes call for hartshorn Major Nikon Feb 2015 #185

As a chemist by education BumRushDaShow Feb 2015 #137

I find this cheese shop to be delightful. brewens Feb 2015 #164

I suspect some people might not want to know where rennet and gelatin come from either Major Nikon Feb 2015 #38

I used to think that picture was of hot dog batter jmowreader Feb 2015 #92

I suspect it's more that vendors don't want them to know than it is consumers not wanting to know. merrily Feb 2015 #139

The vast majority of consumers don't bother reading the labels that are already in place Major Nikon Feb 2015 #146

I check every item on a food label. If I am unfamiliar with a term, I google it. merrily Feb 2015 #147

Which has very little to do with your previous assertion Major Nikon Feb 2015 #148

It had everything to do with replying to your assertion in Reply 146, as well as merrily Feb 2015 #150

This was your assertion: Major Nikon Feb 2015 #154

No, you are mischaracterizing one part of my reply 147 and omitting the other part entirely. merrily Feb 2015 #168

You stole my line! Major Nikon Feb 2015 #169

Interesting. I didn't purport to be restating your posts merrily Feb 2015 #171

Actually, I do believe it's the same as >> BlueJazz Feb 2015 #37

OT, but I had Newman's own version of Oreos for the first time this week. merrily Feb 2015 #141

I buy them at Publix super markets here in Fl. They're quite delicious. BlueJazz Feb 2015 #155

..... merrily Feb 2015 #157

Well companies should be able to hide ground pork in beef as well. denverbill Feb 2015 #16

Except they are not hiding pork, its beef, that is being added to beef and listed as beef. n/t dilby Feb 2015 #18

That sound you just heard... MynameisBlarney Feb 2015 #20

Mine as well Major Nikon Feb 2015 #41

It's beef only under the loosest definition of beef. It's dog food in my household. denverbill Feb 2015 #34

It's beef, it's not pork or fish or chicken. dilby Feb 2015 #36

Well I say screw the Jews and Muslims. Pork is perfectly safe to eat too. denverbill Feb 2015 #40

That makes zero sense. dilby Feb 2015 #45

Zero sense - the food processors will throw anything they can into the mess erronis Feb 2015 #72

My religion says no ammonium hydroxide. Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2015 #99

Cheese, onions, ketchup, peanut butter, potato chips...all sorts of things have ammonia bhikkhu Feb 2015 #123

So your religion is against your own body because it produces ammonium hydroxide? dilby Feb 2015 #193

My body produces poop too. That doesn't mean I want to eat it. Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2015 #194

Yes, and considered unfit for human consumption woo me with science Feb 2015 #60

Many of those devoped countries eat horse meat, you ready to join them? dilby Feb 2015 #67

Absurd attempt at comparison. woo me with science Feb 2015 #71

Going a little extreme to say treating with ammonia gas is the same as soaked in ammonia. n/t dilby Feb 2015 #75

Leaping to a quibble to avoid the dishonesty of your attempted comparison. woo me with science Feb 2015 #77

What about those of us who are allergic to pork? Pathwalker Feb 2015 #87

I hope you realize my post was just to make a point, not to actually suggest adding pork to beef. denverbill Feb 2015 #90

I think my point helps prove your pint. Pathwalker Feb 2015 #94

Fine MynameisBlarney Feb 2015 #19

Much ado about nothing, people ate it for years and didn't even know it. Nobody suffered. n/t A Simple Game Feb 2015 #29

People who are anti pink slime are just like anti-vaxxers to me. dilby Feb 2015 #31

Not to mention the picture isn't even "pink slime" Major Nikon Feb 2015 #44

Even if it was. dilby Feb 2015 #47

The whole thing is a first world argument Major Nikon Feb 2015 #70

This picture is! Yum! tabasco Feb 2015 #110

Have you ever seen primal cuts being butchered from an animal? Major Nikon Feb 2015 #111

I butcher animals every hunting season tabasco Feb 2015 #176

Then why the freak out over a bit of subcutaneous fat? Major Nikon Feb 2015 #179

This is how we butchered cows on the farm NickB79 Feb 2015 #177

So predictable. woo me with science Feb 2015 #49

Defensive, pro-corporate postings? Cali_Democrat Feb 2015 #55

Someday we will all really prefer soylent green to pink slime bbgrunt Feb 2015 #117

X 1000 ctsnowman Feb 2015 #174

They probably love sausages, bologna and other deli meats. A Simple Game Feb 2015 #54

What a ridiculous analogy. MynameisBlarney Feb 2015 #68

What is deceptive about finely textured beef? dilby Feb 2015 #74

mad cow & prion diseases in general are a reason to not used a mixture like pink slime.-- Sunlei Feb 2015 #53

Can you explain how mad cow and prion disease is more dangerous in pink slime than lets say dilby Feb 2015 #62

because pink slime is made from 'scraps' from thousands of animals, hopefully beef. Sunlei Feb 2015 #78

Ground beef is made from thousands of animals. dilby Feb 2015 #81

most american cheap ground beef comes from spent dairy cows. They don't have a enough meat for Sunlei Feb 2015 #83

It wouldn't surprise me druidity33 Feb 2015 #100

I can't see a reason why not a typical usa slaughterhouse wouldn't add as much weight as possible Sunlei Feb 2015 #181

Now that is a logical, scientifically based argument against finely textured beef NickB79 Feb 2015 #178

Zero cases of vCJD have been attributed to eating US beef Major Nikon Feb 2015 #182

I have no issue with you being able to buy slime. I want it labeled and priced appropriately for you TheKentuckian Feb 2015 #88

I agree, we really need scientific proof before we change our behaviours. truedelphi Feb 2015 #97

You should remember your point the next time you fish with worms. Make sure the bait is not wasted. xocet Feb 2015 #116

By any chance, do you know why they have to treat with ammonia? merrily Feb 2015 #130

They don't have to treat it with ammonia Major Nikon Feb 2015 #133

They are the parts of the animal most contaminated by feces. merrily Feb 2015 #135

Kinda like fruits and vegetables, no? Major Nikon Feb 2015 #144

You know that is not the same, right? merrily Feb 2015 #149

True. Produce is not typically treated with antimicrobial agents Major Nikon Feb 2015 #153

Mislabeling for decades is not my standard for what is good and right and as it should be. merrily Feb 2015 #156

Fortunately the standards are written by people who understand beef Major Nikon Feb 2015 #162

What's next? Brown slime made from ammonia-treated human shit? L0oniX Feb 2015 #10

They'll try to use that for fertilizer for the vegans..... Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2015 #25

but human shit is 100% natural BubbaFett Feb 2015 #28

Um no. Human feces is not ground beef, so you would still have quite a disclosure problem, merrily Feb 2015 #136

sarcasm BubbaFett Feb 2015 #167

Soylent Green. Secret Trade Deals. Who will be allowed to report the truth after TPP is signed? misterhighwasted Feb 2015 #76

Go veg melman Feb 2015 #13

I think I am going to start MynameisBlarney Feb 2015 #21

We have to let corporations control everything, it is in the Constitution somewhere. Rex Feb 2015 #14

http://www.yourfaceisa.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/The-Stuff-video-poster.jpg blkmusclmachine Feb 2015 #22

Anyone remember that old B Sci-Fi Flick "Green Slime" from their childhood? cascadiance Feb 2015 #95

They are just getting us ready project_bluebook Feb 2015 #23

Pink Slime always reminds me of 2naSalit Feb 2015 #26

There is a recent thread bashing PETA, for the meat lovers to post on. Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #27

I don't think it ever went away. annabanana Feb 2015 #30

Imagine the private prisons libodem Feb 2015 #32

I take it you have never been to prison, ya get lots of beans and pasta, meat maybe ChosenUnWisely Feb 2015 #56

You are right libodem Feb 2015 #96

If Thom Tillis gets his way, it will get worse young_at_heart Feb 2015 #39

So what are the dangers and disadvantages Bradical79 Feb 2015 #42

This is what it really looks like Major Nikon Feb 2015 #50

The only danger I found was it has a higher chance for ecoli and salmonella. dilby Feb 2015 #59

thanks for staying calm and factual for the most part Kali Feb 2015 #105

I suspect the people who are making half-fast exaggerations have never seen an animal butchered Major Nikon Feb 2015 #129

This message was self-deleted by its author .99center Feb 2015 #175

But it was done for years and never an issue happened. dilby Feb 2015 #190

What I am tired of is that we elect people to Congress Pakid Feb 2015 #43

I no longer eat burger that I don't prepare. ColesCountyDem Feb 2015 #46

Grind your own meat at home, problem solved ChosenUnWisely Feb 2015 #52

Love the anti-science vibe here... bobclark86 Feb 2015 #57

See post 60. woo me with science Feb 2015 #65

Not everyone can 840high Feb 2015 #66

I knew there were a couple of good reasons I went vegan. byronius Feb 2015 #58

I consume my share of junk, but this article makes me glad to be vegetarian. Eeek! C Moon Feb 2015 #61

With the crap these profit-by-any-means corporations try to pass off as food bulloney Feb 2015 #64

The secret trade deals /Tpp etc, will only enhance this. misterhighwasted Feb 2015 #73

+10000000000000000000 woo me with science Feb 2015 #79

That was the point of this o/p... obnoxiousdrunk Feb 2015 #84

Yes it was the point. And an urgent point at that. misterhighwasted Feb 2015 #91

tustard! MisterP Feb 2015 #80

I Wish That I Was Surprised By This Liberal_Dog Feb 2015 #82

I wonder how many frozen convenience foods/pizzas contain this slime? Frustratedlady Feb 2015 #86

Also, try to forget that you have no idea if these products were kept frozen throughout shipment DebJ Feb 2015 #195

I also cook in batches and freeze. Great to grab and eat when you've had a long day. Frustratedlady Feb 2015 #197

Kicked and recommended a whole bunch! Ethics are a thing of the past. Enthusiast Feb 2015 #93

School lunches is where this crap has always been Ramses Feb 2015 #101

K & R !!! WillyT Feb 2015 #102

There you go thinking about things again nationalize the fed Feb 2015 #104

Another good reason to be a vegetarian workinclasszero Feb 2015 #112

they wanna call it some absurd name PatrynXX Feb 2015 #114

that stuff looks disgusting Liberal_in_LA Feb 2015 #115

Gross AllyCat Feb 2015 #118

I had noticed that Grocery store beef prices had risen sharply quakerboy Feb 2015 #119

The other day, I cooked a 5-pound package of hamburger... CoffeeCat Feb 2015 #127

Yes. Demit Feb 2015 #160

Yup. woo me with science Feb 2015 #165

ORGANIC DeSwiss Feb 2015 #128

... Major Nikon Feb 2015 #166

It's discouraging that federal agencies that are supposed to protect consumers as well as business merrily Feb 2015 #132

Give thanks we don't eat any of that shite malaise Feb 2015 #134

I bought the cheap burger one time about a year ago. I was going to use it for taco meat and brewens Feb 2015 #161

I use Costco's burgers GP6971 Feb 2015 #180

If you make patties and nail it just right on the grill, that burger cooks up real juicy! brewens Feb 2015 #183

Boy, your post has given me an idea GP6971 Feb 2015 #184

Looks as though woome struck a nerve. merrily Feb 2015 #173

But Woo, ammonium hydroxide is safe Oilwellian Feb 2015 #187

Ammonium hydroxide is already naturally present in most foods Major Nikon Feb 2015 #189

Knr nt benz380 Feb 2015 #188