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5. There have been questions raised about whether paparazzi helped cause the accident.

Sun Feb 8, 2015, 04:22 AM

Feb 2015

There are laws in California against paparazzi shooting photographs of people in moving vehicles.

This was a serious accident involving several cars, and at least one person died. And Bruce Jenner has been in the news lately, as his family have confirmed rumors that he's going to be transitioning to be a woman.

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Bruce Jenner's Escalade ran into a Lexus that had ALREADY hit a Prius in front of it, according to police. [View all] pnwmom Feb 2015 OP

Sounds like it wasn't his fault. Egnever Feb 2015 #1

That's the reason, I'm sure, that he's getting so much attention from paparazzi lately. pnwmom Feb 2015 #2

When you rear end someone, how can it not be your fault? Major Nikon Feb 2015 #17

If lexus hit prius... RichGirl Feb 2015 #20

I don't think there's any dispute that Jenner's vehicle drove the Lexus into oncoming traffic Major Nikon Feb 2015 #24

Courts often spread the responsibility around in a multi-car accident. pnwmom Feb 2015 #120

I was thinking that too. Reminded me of a police manuever Gin Feb 2015 #40

That's true - maybe the Lexus bounced off the prius cwydro Feb 2015 #44

From the pictures Quackers Feb 2015 #124

damn. cwydro Feb 2015 #125

I used too always try to leave sufficient stopping space on the highway, but tblue37 Feb 2015 #77

I was going to say that as well hollysmom Feb 2015 #82

Exactly. The gaps always get quickly filled. n/t pnwmom Feb 2015 #118

Very simply jmowreader Feb 2015 #135

If you rear-end someone who cut in front of you Art_from_Ark Feb 2015 #137

Every time you rear end someone it is your fault. AngryAmish Feb 2015 #21

Correct. It's still Jenner's fault FLPanhandle Feb 2015 #28

Exactly. nt cwydro Feb 2015 #41

He'll probably pay out in a civil lawsuit. MH1 Feb 2015 #43

His insurance company will pay out, maybe several insurance companies. kwassa Feb 2015 #103

"A good lawyer" is not a miracle worker treestar Feb 2015 #54

Except for Johnny Cochran lancer78 Feb 2015 #68

He was good but there was a lot wrong about the way the case was presented treestar Feb 2015 #97

Like the "affluenza" kid? cwydro Feb 2015 #100

Unless they cut you off and slam on the brakes immediately. (ie within 1 second) MillennialDem Feb 2015 #59

+1 well said nt Dreamer Tatum Feb 2015 #65

It's amazing none of the cars spun off that embankment. R B Garr Feb 2015 #3

I remember a while back... RichGirl Feb 2015 #22

Why is this news? Not to me. nt babylonsister Feb 2015 #4

There have been questions raised about whether paparazzi helped cause the accident. pnwmom Feb 2015 #5

It's been proven that the pap weren't chasing him. RichGirl Feb 2015 #26

Proven? trumad Feb 2015 #35

They were following him, but he wasn't trying to outrun them. LisaL Feb 2015 #48

They take pics at long distances...with telephoto lenses. RichGirl Feb 2015 #67

Not "proven." An investigation has barely started and the evidence is pnwmom Feb 2015 #83

There are multiple pictures of Jenner in the seconds before & after the accident. Paparazzi clearly peacebird Feb 2015 #126

I'd want to see a link that says that--there are pictures of him contemporaneous with the accident MADem Feb 2015 #127

If I'm a celebrity and I cause an accident, I'd say there were paps all over. Dreamer Tatum Feb 2015 #66

So why did you commention it? HERVEPA Feb 2015 #42

Is this meant to imply that it's ok to just deliver the Coup de gr�ce to one already injured? jtuck004 Feb 2015 #6

+1 Exhibit A Feb 2015 #7

Why would you think that? I just said it sounded like a common California pile-up pnwmom Feb 2015 #8

she was guilty, too... ProdigalJunkMail Feb 2015 #18

The jury decides the percentages of negligence treestar Feb 2015 #56

Hey! This DU! WE assign negligence, don't you know? kwassa Feb 2015 #99

Because.... RichGirl Feb 2015 #46

That wasn't the question I meant. pnwmom Feb 2015 #86

+1 RandySF Feb 2015 #9

It's called vehicular homicide. alphafemale Feb 2015 #13

It would be vehicular manslaughter padfun Feb 2015 #37

touche' I consider myself properly scolded. nt alphafemale Feb 2015 #57

All killings are homicides treestar Feb 2015 #60

This doesn't fit the definition of vehicular homicide in California. kwassa Feb 2015 #104

Not unless they can prove criminal negligence. pnwmom Feb 2015 #110

FFS, are you serious? nt Logical Feb 2015 #23

Prison? For a traffic accident? AngryAmish Feb 2015 #25

It's not an accident rjsquirrel Feb 2015 #30

All accidents are caused by negligent driving . AngryAmish Feb 2015 #36

That's what negligence is treestar Feb 2015 #61

no, negligence is failure to use reasonable care, resulting in damage or injury to another. kwassa Feb 2015 #101

The fact that someone died doesn't make the act criminal. pnwmom Feb 2015 #111

People go to jail all the time for reckless driving when it causes a death. FLPanhandle Feb 2015 #50

People go to jail if they are drunk, high or going 110 mph. AngryAmish Feb 2015 #52

People have gone to jail for texting and driving then killing someone. FLPanhandle Feb 2015 #70

Was he texting? AngryAmish Feb 2015 #74

Police are getting a warrant Lonusca Feb 2015 #78

They are getting warrants to search the cell phones of everyone involved frazzled Feb 2015 #102

then use these from ... Lonusca Feb 2015 #106

Looks like smoking Lonusca Feb 2015 #107

Right. The photo supports his innocence of a criminal act. Smoking isn't criminal. n/t pnwmom Feb 2015 #115

I don't think there is anything criminal about this Lonusca Feb 2015 #132

tmz has corrected that. Look at their site now. pnwmom Feb 2015 #114

There's no evidence yet that he was texting. What he was holding was a cigarette, pnwmom Feb 2015 #113

Not really. One of my closest friend's daughter was killed by a guy running a red at 70 mph. Coventina Feb 2015 #53

No one on DU gave a damn about Jenner until about 3 weeks ago. alphafemale Feb 2015 #63

I definitely see it too. You're not the only one. nt Dreamer Tatum Feb 2015 #72

I still don't give a damn. n/t Comrade Grumpy Feb 2015 #85

Why is he so special to you? Why are you claiming he drove recklessly without any evidence yet? pnwmom Feb 2015 #112

Jenner passed the sobriety tests and the blood tests. pnwmom Feb 2015 #87

People like him want their pictures to be taken. RichGirl Feb 2015 #33

You don't go to jail for negligence treestar Feb 2015 #55

"�Negligent� Oscar Pistorius still faces lengthy jail term" jtuck004 Feb 2015 #64

You are right. though I doubt it applies to Bruce here treestar Feb 2015 #81

Being distracted isn't the same as deliberately shooting a gun through a closed door. nt pnwmom Feb 2015 #88

Are you serious???!!! AndreaCG Feb 2015 #128

It was unfair to cause the woman's death. Nice of you to forget about her. Think jtuck004 Feb 2015 #129

Jenner didn't kill her on purpose AndreaCG Feb 2015 #130

He got behind the wheel of a car and drove too fast and out of control. It is irrelevant jtuck004 Feb 2015 #131

No, it isn't. It is meant to say that driving too closely is common in CA, as are multi-car pile-ups pnwmom Feb 2015 #84

i don't really get this, i have driven when there was a stopped car in front of me that shouldn't JI7 Feb 2015 #10

That works well as long as people aren't following too closely. In many roads in CA pnwmom Feb 2015 #11

i drive in california in the LA area and there really isn't any excuse JI7 Feb 2015 #12

I've been driving on Los Angeles freeways since 1969 aint_no_life_nowhere Feb 2015 #69

Yeah, I've ridden in cars driven by relatives in Calif. and they Arugula Latte Feb 2015 #90

More than one car length for every 10mph when driving an Escalade and towing, I'd say (n/t) Spider Jerusalem Feb 2015 #15

Yeah, but he won't be charged with vehicular homicide alphafemale Feb 2015 #14

yeah the transgendered have it so great in this country dsc Feb 2015 #32

This has NOTHING to do with him being transgendered. RichGirl Feb 2015 #34

I am not saying he should be given a pass dsc Feb 2015 #45

Jenner will not be charged for this death even though at fault. alphafemale Feb 2015 #62

Except there is no evidence yet that he was criminally at fault. n/t pnwmom Feb 2015 #123

Except the paps wouldn't have been tailing him if not for the recent transgender story. pnwmom Feb 2015 #122

You are right about that. RichGirl Feb 2015 #47

Not "homicide" unless you believe he intended to kill Ilsa Feb 2015 #51

No, an average person wouldn't be charged unless they did something criminal. pnwmom Feb 2015 #116

And Jenner was towing something, meaning he had more mass to control mainer Feb 2015 #29

Should have been watching the road. B Calm Feb 2015 #16

#1 Rule: PAY FREAKIN' ATTENTION. WinkyDink Feb 2015 #19

There is never an excuse for rear ending rjsquirrel Feb 2015 #27

Sure there are, a person pulling in front of you and slamming on thier brakes! Nt Logical Feb 2015 #71

Not usually rjsquirrel Feb 2015 #133

It is a well know insurance scam. You really don't know much about this. nt Logical Feb 2015 #136

Also, no trial for you? Mind made up? How GOP of you! Nt Logical Feb 2015 #73

Lol whut? rjsquirrel Feb 2015 #134

In situations like this, judges and juries divide negligence among the various parties. pnwmom Feb 2015 #89

Getting hit by a car following to closely is my worst nightmare.... a kennedy Feb 2015 #31

When someone tailgates me, I increase my following distance Major Nikon Feb 2015 #75

That can be difficult on some freeways, where other drivers will immediately fill in the "gap." pnwmom Feb 2015 #91

It's no different in Texas and they will cut in regardless Major Nikon Feb 2015 #93

I wouldn't care either except I do think about stopping distances. n/t pnwmom Feb 2015 #94

And usually the people that pass me in a huge hurry.....are the ones a kennedy Feb 2015 #96

One of things I liked about living in Germany is people actually understand lane discipline Major Nikon Feb 2015 #98

Yes - that's been my experience aint_no_life_nowhere Feb 2015 #95

Sounds like two drivers are at fault. MohRokTah Feb 2015 #38

"they plan to look at the cellphone records of all four drivers" MH1 Feb 2015 #39

Each driver is responsible for being able to stop if necessary. RichGirl Feb 2015 #49

There was a light 300 feet away. Yes people stop on highways all the time. bettyellen Feb 2015 #58

And it's not just the media. Many DUers seem to want to single him out pnwmom Feb 2015 #92

Hummers should be seized and destroyed...jesus christ, how enraging is that shit NoJusticeNoPeace Feb 2015 #76

I'd hate to get hit by a real heavy car like an SUV or Hummer aint_no_life_nowhere Feb 2015 #79

I LOVE that... Yeah, anyone who drives a gas hog is saying "my comfort is more important than all NoJusticeNoPeace Feb 2015 #80

My little Nissan putt-putt car (Sentra) usually allows me to scoot away KingCharlemagne Feb 2015 #105

the 96 was a sweet car. Warren Stupidity Feb 2015 #109

Jenner was an INSANE athlete, as in GOOD, i hope the new docu-reality show about his NoJusticeNoPeace Feb 2015 #108

He was a great athlete. Imagine, though, the pain he's been living in for all these years. He's 65 years old pnwmom Feb 2015 #117

Have you seen the Amazon series "Transparent", awesome NoJusticeNoPeace Feb 2015 #119

No. Thanks for the rec, NoJusticeNoPeace! n/t pnwmom Feb 2015 #121