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113. Exacty, Mira.. you got exactly in the correct order. Acknowledge it all. :(

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The charred body of Jesse Washington; whites from Waco, not ISIS, burned him alive - By Bill Moyers [View all] DonViejo Feb 2015 OP

Thank you for the post and the warning marym625 Feb 2015 #1

1916. nt msanthrope Feb 2015 #2

Thank you. n/t marym625 Feb 2015 #3

I recall one more recently, Not a burning. No, the victim was dragged behind a pickup alive notadmblnd Feb 2015 #31

The act was horrendous but the two are not equivalent exboyfil Feb 2015 #57

yes. equally horrendous marym625 Feb 2015 #77

I agree, not the equivalent notadmblnd Feb 2015 #87

yep. marym625 Feb 2015 #92

there was a very recent incident which was ruled a suicide but I think is being investigated Voice for Peace Feb 2015 #91

No, that's another one marym625 Feb 2015 #93

Is this the one you're talking about? Number23 Feb 2015 #96

I think it was marym625 Feb 2015 #98

'our own barbarians did not have to wait at any gate' bigtree Feb 2015 #4

IMO The racists in America rbrnmw Feb 2015 #161

It was fucked up psychopaths then and fucked up psychopaths now, using the same false mask of religion. Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #5

^ BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2015 #94

Thanks Fred.. I agree with everything in your post. Cha Feb 2015 #112

How fucked up is it that folks refuse to view the 23 minutes of Obama's speech in response to Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #134

Thank you for the Vid of President Obama at the National Prayer Breakfast.. what an excellent Cha Feb 2015 #159

A thousand times this. hifiguy Feb 2015 #157

We need to know horrible aspects of US racism & atrocities like this. Appreciate the post. appalachiablue Feb 2015 #6

So, because this happened in 1916 we should ignore ISIS. Got it. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #7

What we should not ignore Mira Feb 2015 #8

Exacty, Mira.. you got exactly in the correct order. Acknowledge it all. :( Cha Feb 2015 #113

It happened in Fallujah when civilians were burned to death, babies, women, dogs by White sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #10

Wow outside Feb 2015 #52

You're kidding, right? polly7 Feb 2015 #61

Amazing compilation on that horrific war crime polly. How quickly we forget. sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #108

That was just stuff left in my journal, Sabrina and a few other links polly7 Feb 2015 #115

Well said Polly. I'm all for the war criminals, Ledeen, Wolfowitz Cheney of course sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #147

Are you seriously saying you are unaware of the war crimes in Fallujah? All links to the sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #65

You are perhaps responding to another victim of the propaganda state, so it is not willful ignorance. Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #136

No need to remain ignorant though. Polly has posted some links below that make it sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #143

what do you want on your pizza? niyad Feb 2015 #69

+1 BeanMusical Feb 2015 #104

The only person making that moronic statement is you. -eom gcomeau Feb 2015 #13

Then perhaps you can show me where Moyers' proposal for dealing with ISIS. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #19

well it's obvious that you advocate ignoring ISIS G_j Feb 2015 #30

Fake moral preening? DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2015 #46

"Who the fuck do you think you are? You're not fit to pass judgment on Bill Moyers." Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #48

You're very rigid, limited. Moyers is not. DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2015 #63

He's the one pushing the collectivist-guilt BS for a century-old murder. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #67

I find myself agreeing with you. Moyers is an idiot. Flatulo Feb 2015 #97

Moral Preening? SCVDem Feb 2015 #49

That's all the article is: Moral preening. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #55

America has a racist present. Enthusiast Feb 2015 #79

Humanity has a racist present and humanity has a racist future as well. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #85

Ah, I see... gcomeau Feb 2015 #58

Spare me. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #64

Sigh... no captain clueless. gcomeau Feb 2015 #78

+1 progressoid Feb 2015 #81

BS. It's a typical tu quoque argument. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #82

It would be.. gcomeau Feb 2015 #84

Then what is the link between Jesse Washington's murder and ISIS? Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #88

Forget already, or just not paying attention? gcomeau Feb 2015 #89

Here's "the weight of the American government" for you... countryjake Feb 2015 #106

WOW!!! Bill Moyers is getting thrown under the bus now?????????????????????????????????????? cui bono Feb 2015 #99

Too old an incident for you?... DonViejo Feb 2015 #14

Ah yes. European = Christian ergo all wars in Europe = Christian wars. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #21

yes, isis = hitler. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #27

Would I be correct if I assume you disagree with the President's statement.... DonViejo Feb 2015 #28

Yes. I get it. We suck. We're the meanest most awful people ever. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #32

You get what?... DonViejo Feb 2015 #39

So what's the point of dredging up the Crusades from centuries ago? Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #47

That's your answer to my question, another question? DonViejo Feb 2015 #56

OK, so you don't agree with Moyers' moral preening. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #60

I'm getting a strong sense that you don't like being reminded of Demit Feb 2015 #74

I don't need to be reminded of human barbarism so spare me yet more fake moral preening. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #80

Apparently you do. Demit Feb 2015 #124

Apparently you just want to feel superior. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #125

It's giving context. Preening and prancing? I'm seeing plenty of both here- bettyellen Feb 2015 #129

The people who are outrage over the death of the Jordanian pilot would not Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #133

Yes, Obama is talking about America's racism. I think it is about all of us- not just me. bettyellen Feb 2015 #138

How about Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #139

If you have not viewed the entire Obama speech but have viewed the ISIL snuff movie, then..... Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #140

safety shaayecanaan Feb 2015 #102

If that upsets you I guess WW2 must really set you off. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #152

makes ISIS seem like pretty small beer doesn't it? nt shaayecanaan Feb 2015 #160

"small beer" Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #162

You got me shaayecanaan Feb 2015 #163

That's BS. 840high Feb 2015 #23

What's "BS"?... DonViejo Feb 2015 #24

what an idiotic article Snow Leopard Feb 2015 #36

Perhaps you'll find this article more to your liking... DonViejo Feb 2015 #42

Where was that even implied either in the OP or the article itself. Fla Dem Feb 2015 #16

"The point being made was we have/ had our own barbarians" Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #17

So making sure America and Americans remind themselves their participation in NoJusticeNoPeace Feb 2015 #33

"So making sure America and Americans remind themselves their" Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #41

Wow. NoJusticeNoPeace Feb 2015 #44

What is with the defensiveness and anger? Seems way out of proportion. nomorenomore08 Feb 2015 #107

It is something to behold. So very, very angry. nt stillwaiting Feb 2015 #127

Oh, we should ignore all our history cause it's not about YOU? bettyellen Feb 2015 #130

Wow are your feelings hurt nt LiberalElite Feb 2015 #62

Christ Almigty. a la izquierda Feb 2015 #131

I don't take moral lectures from people who have the avatar of racist, mass murderers. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #137

You don't take them from anyone, as your posts on this thread demonstrate. a la izquierda Feb 2015 #144

I am quite aware of what I write and I read well enough to know people Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #146

Who said that? NoJusticeNoPeace Feb 2015 #29

What is the point of the article? Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #37

Why should anyone listen to someone who falsly accused someone else of being a car thief when NoJusticeNoPeace Feb 2015 #40

Perhaps I have you confused with another poster. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #43

NO, i AM that poster, please show where I said I stole a car, you see I did not steal a car or claim NoJusticeNoPeace Feb 2015 #45

OK, so you dismissively called stealing cars a "right (sic) of passage" but never stole any cars. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #50

So you lie about me being a car thief and you laugh it off in one sentence? SERIOUSLY? NoJusticeNoPeace Feb 2015 #51

How can I be lyng if I openly admitted your side of the story? Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #59

At least you dont deny why you have such a problem with me, that is good. NoJusticeNoPeace Feb 2015 #66

As we have read your childish tantrum in this thread... Oilwellian Feb 2015 #70

Oh, another one of those. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #83

people were decapitated and burned alive during shock and awe.. frylock Feb 2015 #72

Congratulations You Win! DeSwiss Feb 2015 #110

Really? That's what you want to say? Isn't that called a Strawman? rhett o rick Feb 2015 #111

I call out Moyers for a tu quoque fallacy so your refutation is to call it a straw man based on the Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #120

Moyer did not use the Jesse Washington atrocity to justify that by ISIS. In fact to say he rhett o rick Feb 2015 #132

I never said Moyers is justifying the acts by ISIS. I never even came close to it. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #135

To be a "tu quoque fallacy" Moyers would have to refute the arguement that the ISIS rhett o rick Feb 2015 #141

Dude. Let me put you some knowledge -- Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #142

I appreciate your "cut and paste" attempt, but if you had read the definition you'd have caught rhett o rick Feb 2015 #145

I see you had to switch from claiming I said Moyers was attempting to justify Washington's murder Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #148

Sorry, but you are not making any sense. Best I can tell you are arguing in a circle. No one rhett o rick Feb 2015 #149

"Some are pointing out hypocrisy." Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #151

You imply with your "Tu quoque fallacy" smear that Moyers' intent was to rhett o rick Feb 2015 #153

"smear that Moyers' intent was to minimize the death of the Jordanian pilot" Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #154

So this boils down to you thinking, "Moyers is trying to minimize the calls to deal decisively with rhett o rick Feb 2015 #156

In favor of Moyers Exceptionalism, no doubt. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #158

Where were all the "The pakistan school shootings were justified, because of Sandy Hook" threads? ileus Feb 2015 #123

Perhaps if there were the possibility of US intervention we would see them. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #150

It's time to leave the middle east alone, playing the world policeman role has ended in misery dissentient Feb 2015 #9

Some people just can't handle the "truth". Historic NY Feb 2015 #11

Thank you, Bill Moyers. (nt) Paladin Feb 2015 #12

But the past didn't happen BubbaFett Feb 2015 #15

The rw is so busy denying history and rewriting anything bad in it that they do not realize that jwirr Feb 2015 #18

We are at war with Eurasia... freebrew Feb 2015 #25

ISIS, the Middle Eastern KKK. nt valerief Feb 2015 #20

Exactly! BlueCaliDem Feb 2015 #105

But..but...our methods of killing people are more scientifically advanced and efficient! Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2015 #22

Our and our allies use of White Phosphorus. JEB Feb 2015 #26

really? did we use white phosphorus or napalm on our pow's? Snow Leopard Feb 2015 #38

I guess you missed our treaqtment of civilians inthe siege of Fallujah. JEB Feb 2015 #53

so civillians in a war zone Snow Leopard Feb 2015 #86

Civilians trapped by military forces. Not even POW's. JEB Feb 2015 #101

Like all of those people we tortured? Very probably some to death? Plausible sexual depravity TheKentuckian Feb 2015 #128

Thank God ISIS is incinerating people. How else would we know about our own racism? Dreamer Tatum Feb 2015 #34

I don't disagree with Moyers' point, but why is the ultimate outcome of this insight still more war? Romulox Feb 2015 #35

Pointing out our own barbarity... Oilwellian Feb 2015 #75

Yes, I learned about this case from 99 years ago bluestateguy Feb 2015 #54

I find it disingenuous hfojvt Feb 2015 #68

here is his use of 1968--TWICE--oh the horror of using that date TWICE: niyad Feb 2015 #73

Even back then people attempted to deflect attention from such atrocities by pointing to past events Kaleva Feb 2015 #71

I would rather concentrate my efforts at condemning ISIS and their barbarity. totodeinhere Feb 2015 #76

Thank you. WinkyDink Feb 2015 #118

Creepy MFrohike Feb 2015 #90

Jesus Christ almighty... Number23 Feb 2015 #95

So horrible. polly7 Feb 2015 #116

Go to the "America's Black Holocaust Museum" website BumRushDaShow Feb 2015 #100

Huge K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Feb 2015 #103

This is absolutely chilling. rstanleyj2918ca Feb 2015 #109

Damn.. unreal how anyone wouldn't get this.. on DU, especially. I could understand out Cha Feb 2015 #114

Speak for yourself. I'm sure I'm not alone here in recognizing the historical crimes by and within WinkyDink Feb 2015 #119

I'm certainly not speaking to you. I'm talking directly to the OP and others who have a clue. Cha Feb 2015 #121

Are examples of evil supposed to mitigate another one? What is the purpose of this example, then? WinkyDink Feb 2015 #117

Mitigate? Of course not. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2015 #126

Another the actions of ISIS should be acceptable post. ileus Feb 2015 #122

Wow, look at how many lurkers stopped by to view the photo in this thread. nt kelliekat44 Feb 2015 #155

reaching glasshouses Feb 2015 #164