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Nuclear Unicorn

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133. The people who are outrage over the death of the Jordanian pilot would not

Sun Feb 8, 2015, 11:41 AM

Feb 2015

then give a pass to the murder of Jesse Washington. People wanting the US to put an end to ISIS don't need to be reminded that burning people alive is a bad thing even if perpetrated within the US.

Moreover, the claim isn't even be qualified. The guilty party in the story is: America. Period. Full stop. End of discussion and God help any with the temerity to say otherwise -- as demonstrated by this thread.

Really?

Did YOU participate in the burning of Jesse Washington? Are you morally, even if not legally, responsible for the barbarism perpetrated against Mr. Washington?

I'm going to be so bold as to suggest I am not. No, really; I just said that. I even count you among those who 1) did not murder Mr. Washington and 2) a sickened merely by the thought (as am I).

Yet, we're supposedly being reminded that racism exists and is perpetrated by whites (presumably Christian) against non-whites. Yet, here we are discussing whether or not we have the moral standing to retaliate against a group for killing a non-white (and presumably Muslim).

Who is it, exactly, is not morally qualified to discuss this? Obama? His voters? Congress?

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The charred body of Jesse Washington; whites from Waco, not ISIS, burned him alive - By Bill Moyers [View all] DonViejo Feb 2015 OP

Thank you for the post and the warning marym625 Feb 2015 #1

1916. nt msanthrope Feb 2015 #2

Thank you. n/t marym625 Feb 2015 #3

I recall one more recently, Not a burning. No, the victim was dragged behind a pickup alive notadmblnd Feb 2015 #31

The act was horrendous but the two are not equivalent exboyfil Feb 2015 #57

yes. equally horrendous marym625 Feb 2015 #77

I agree, not the equivalent notadmblnd Feb 2015 #87

yep. marym625 Feb 2015 #92

there was a very recent incident which was ruled a suicide but I think is being investigated Voice for Peace Feb 2015 #91

No, that's another one marym625 Feb 2015 #93

Is this the one you're talking about? Number23 Feb 2015 #96

I think it was marym625 Feb 2015 #98

'our own barbarians did not have to wait at any gate' bigtree Feb 2015 #4

IMO The racists in America rbrnmw Feb 2015 #161

It was fucked up psychopaths then and fucked up psychopaths now, using the same false mask of religion. Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #5

^ BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2015 #94

Thanks Fred.. I agree with everything in your post. Cha Feb 2015 #112

How fucked up is it that folks refuse to view the 23 minutes of Obama's speech in response to Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #134

Thank you for the Vid of President Obama at the National Prayer Breakfast.. what an excellent Cha Feb 2015 #159

A thousand times this. hifiguy Feb 2015 #157

We need to know horrible aspects of US racism & atrocities like this. Appreciate the post. appalachiablue Feb 2015 #6

So, because this happened in 1916 we should ignore ISIS. Got it. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #7

What we should not ignore Mira Feb 2015 #8

Exacty, Mira.. you got exactly in the correct order. Acknowledge it all. :( Cha Feb 2015 #113

It happened in Fallujah when civilians were burned to death, babies, women, dogs by White sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #10

Wow outside Feb 2015 #52

You're kidding, right? polly7 Feb 2015 #61

Amazing compilation on that horrific war crime polly. How quickly we forget. sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #108

That was just stuff left in my journal, Sabrina and a few other links polly7 Feb 2015 #115

Well said Polly. I'm all for the war criminals, Ledeen, Wolfowitz Cheney of course sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #147

Are you seriously saying you are unaware of the war crimes in Fallujah? All links to the sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #65

You are perhaps responding to another victim of the propaganda state, so it is not willful ignorance. Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #136

No need to remain ignorant though. Polly has posted some links below that make it sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #143

what do you want on your pizza? niyad Feb 2015 #69

+1 BeanMusical Feb 2015 #104

The only person making that moronic statement is you. -eom gcomeau Feb 2015 #13

Then perhaps you can show me where Moyers' proposal for dealing with ISIS. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #19

well it's obvious that you advocate ignoring ISIS G_j Feb 2015 #30

Fake moral preening? DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2015 #46

"Who the fuck do you think you are? You're not fit to pass judgment on Bill Moyers." Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #48

You're very rigid, limited. Moyers is not. DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2015 #63

He's the one pushing the collectivist-guilt BS for a century-old murder. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #67

I find myself agreeing with you. Moyers is an idiot. Flatulo Feb 2015 #97

Moral Preening? SCVDem Feb 2015 #49

That's all the article is: Moral preening. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #55

America has a racist present. Enthusiast Feb 2015 #79

Humanity has a racist present and humanity has a racist future as well. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #85

Ah, I see... gcomeau Feb 2015 #58

Spare me. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #64

Sigh... no captain clueless. gcomeau Feb 2015 #78

+1 progressoid Feb 2015 #81

BS. It's a typical tu quoque argument. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #82

It would be.. gcomeau Feb 2015 #84

Then what is the link between Jesse Washington's murder and ISIS? Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #88

Forget already, or just not paying attention? gcomeau Feb 2015 #89

Here's "the weight of the American government" for you... countryjake Feb 2015 #106

WOW!!! Bill Moyers is getting thrown under the bus now?????????????????????????????????????? cui bono Feb 2015 #99

Too old an incident for you?... DonViejo Feb 2015 #14

Ah yes. European = Christian ergo all wars in Europe = Christian wars. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #21

yes, isis = hitler. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #27

Would I be correct if I assume you disagree with the President's statement.... DonViejo Feb 2015 #28

Yes. I get it. We suck. We're the meanest most awful people ever. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #32

You get what?... DonViejo Feb 2015 #39

So what's the point of dredging up the Crusades from centuries ago? Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #47

That's your answer to my question, another question? DonViejo Feb 2015 #56

OK, so you don't agree with Moyers' moral preening. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #60

I'm getting a strong sense that you don't like being reminded of Demit Feb 2015 #74

I don't need to be reminded of human barbarism so spare me yet more fake moral preening. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #80

Apparently you do. Demit Feb 2015 #124

Apparently you just want to feel superior. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #125

It's giving context. Preening and prancing? I'm seeing plenty of both here- bettyellen Feb 2015 #129

The people who are outrage over the death of the Jordanian pilot would not Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #133

Yes, Obama is talking about America's racism. I think it is about all of us- not just me. bettyellen Feb 2015 #138

How about Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #139

If you have not viewed the entire Obama speech but have viewed the ISIL snuff movie, then..... Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #140

safety shaayecanaan Feb 2015 #102

If that upsets you I guess WW2 must really set you off. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #152

makes ISIS seem like pretty small beer doesn't it? nt shaayecanaan Feb 2015 #160

"small beer" Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #162

You got me shaayecanaan Feb 2015 #163

That's BS. 840high Feb 2015 #23

What's "BS"?... DonViejo Feb 2015 #24

what an idiotic article Snow Leopard Feb 2015 #36

Perhaps you'll find this article more to your liking... DonViejo Feb 2015 #42

Where was that even implied either in the OP or the article itself. Fla Dem Feb 2015 #16

"The point being made was we have/ had our own barbarians" Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #17

So making sure America and Americans remind themselves their participation in NoJusticeNoPeace Feb 2015 #33

"So making sure America and Americans remind themselves their" Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #41

Wow. NoJusticeNoPeace Feb 2015 #44

What is with the defensiveness and anger? Seems way out of proportion. nomorenomore08 Feb 2015 #107

It is something to behold. So very, very angry. nt stillwaiting Feb 2015 #127

Oh, we should ignore all our history cause it's not about YOU? bettyellen Feb 2015 #130

Wow are your feelings hurt nt LiberalElite Feb 2015 #62

Christ Almigty. a la izquierda Feb 2015 #131

I don't take moral lectures from people who have the avatar of racist, mass murderers. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #137

You don't take them from anyone, as your posts on this thread demonstrate. a la izquierda Feb 2015 #144

I am quite aware of what I write and I read well enough to know people Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #146

Who said that? NoJusticeNoPeace Feb 2015 #29

What is the point of the article? Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #37

Why should anyone listen to someone who falsly accused someone else of being a car thief when NoJusticeNoPeace Feb 2015 #40

Perhaps I have you confused with another poster. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #43

NO, i AM that poster, please show where I said I stole a car, you see I did not steal a car or claim NoJusticeNoPeace Feb 2015 #45

OK, so you dismissively called stealing cars a "right (sic) of passage" but never stole any cars. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #50

So you lie about me being a car thief and you laugh it off in one sentence? SERIOUSLY? NoJusticeNoPeace Feb 2015 #51

How can I be lyng if I openly admitted your side of the story? Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #59

At least you dont deny why you have such a problem with me, that is good. NoJusticeNoPeace Feb 2015 #66

As we have read your childish tantrum in this thread... Oilwellian Feb 2015 #70

Oh, another one of those. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #83

people were decapitated and burned alive during shock and awe.. frylock Feb 2015 #72

Congratulations You Win! DeSwiss Feb 2015 #110

Really? That's what you want to say? Isn't that called a Strawman? rhett o rick Feb 2015 #111

I call out Moyers for a tu quoque fallacy so your refutation is to call it a straw man based on the Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #120

Moyer did not use the Jesse Washington atrocity to justify that by ISIS. In fact to say he rhett o rick Feb 2015 #132

I never said Moyers is justifying the acts by ISIS. I never even came close to it. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #135

To be a "tu quoque fallacy" Moyers would have to refute the arguement that the ISIS rhett o rick Feb 2015 #141

Dude. Let me put you some knowledge -- Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #142

I appreciate your "cut and paste" attempt, but if you had read the definition you'd have caught rhett o rick Feb 2015 #145

I see you had to switch from claiming I said Moyers was attempting to justify Washington's murder Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #148

Sorry, but you are not making any sense. Best I can tell you are arguing in a circle. No one rhett o rick Feb 2015 #149

"Some are pointing out hypocrisy." Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #151

You imply with your "Tu quoque fallacy" smear that Moyers' intent was to rhett o rick Feb 2015 #153

"smear that Moyers' intent was to minimize the death of the Jordanian pilot" Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #154

So this boils down to you thinking, "Moyers is trying to minimize the calls to deal decisively with rhett o rick Feb 2015 #156

In favor of Moyers Exceptionalism, no doubt. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #158

Where were all the "The pakistan school shootings were justified, because of Sandy Hook" threads? ileus Feb 2015 #123

Perhaps if there were the possibility of US intervention we would see them. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #150

It's time to leave the middle east alone, playing the world policeman role has ended in misery dissentient Feb 2015 #9

Some people just can't handle the "truth". Historic NY Feb 2015 #11

Thank you, Bill Moyers. (nt) Paladin Feb 2015 #12

But the past didn't happen BubbaFett Feb 2015 #15

The rw is so busy denying history and rewriting anything bad in it that they do not realize that jwirr Feb 2015 #18

We are at war with Eurasia... freebrew Feb 2015 #25

ISIS, the Middle Eastern KKK. nt valerief Feb 2015 #20

Exactly! BlueCaliDem Feb 2015 #105

But..but...our methods of killing people are more scientifically advanced and efficient! Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2015 #22

Our and our allies use of White Phosphorus. JEB Feb 2015 #26

really? did we use white phosphorus or napalm on our pow's? Snow Leopard Feb 2015 #38

I guess you missed our treaqtment of civilians inthe siege of Fallujah. JEB Feb 2015 #53

so civillians in a war zone Snow Leopard Feb 2015 #86

Civilians trapped by military forces. Not even POW's. JEB Feb 2015 #101

Like all of those people we tortured? Very probably some to death? Plausible sexual depravity TheKentuckian Feb 2015 #128

Thank God ISIS is incinerating people. How else would we know about our own racism? Dreamer Tatum Feb 2015 #34

I don't disagree with Moyers' point, but why is the ultimate outcome of this insight still more war? Romulox Feb 2015 #35

Pointing out our own barbarity... Oilwellian Feb 2015 #75

Yes, I learned about this case from 99 years ago bluestateguy Feb 2015 #54

I find it disingenuous hfojvt Feb 2015 #68

here is his use of 1968--TWICE--oh the horror of using that date TWICE: niyad Feb 2015 #73

Even back then people attempted to deflect attention from such atrocities by pointing to past events Kaleva Feb 2015 #71

I would rather concentrate my efforts at condemning ISIS and their barbarity. totodeinhere Feb 2015 #76

Thank you. WinkyDink Feb 2015 #118

Creepy MFrohike Feb 2015 #90

Jesus Christ almighty... Number23 Feb 2015 #95

So horrible. polly7 Feb 2015 #116

Go to the "America's Black Holocaust Museum" website BumRushDaShow Feb 2015 #100

Huge K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Feb 2015 #103

This is absolutely chilling. rstanleyj2918ca Feb 2015 #109

Damn.. unreal how anyone wouldn't get this.. on DU, especially. I could understand out Cha Feb 2015 #114

Speak for yourself. I'm sure I'm not alone here in recognizing the historical crimes by and within WinkyDink Feb 2015 #119

I'm certainly not speaking to you. I'm talking directly to the OP and others who have a clue. Cha Feb 2015 #121

Are examples of evil supposed to mitigate another one? What is the purpose of this example, then? WinkyDink Feb 2015 #117

Mitigate? Of course not. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2015 #126

Another the actions of ISIS should be acceptable post. ileus Feb 2015 #122

Wow, look at how many lurkers stopped by to view the photo in this thread. nt kelliekat44 Feb 2015 #155

reaching glasshouses Feb 2015 #164