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In reply to the discussion: Post removed [View all]Major Nikon
(36,925 posts)36. Using data post 2000 would make even less sense
Because in essence you would be saying the MMR vaccine's effectiveness is a reason not to get it.
But regardless of what figure you come up with by pure speculation, comparing it to the complete bullshit figure from VAERS is still misleading and is easy enough to debunk by simply reading the disclaimer one has to click to acknowledge to get to the database in the first place. Very telling that.
Guide to Interpreting VAERS Case Report Information
When evaluating data from VAERS, it is important to note that for any reported event, no cause-and-effect relationship has been established. Reports of all possible associations between vaccines and adverse events (possible side effects) are filed in VAERS. Therefore, VAERS collects data on any adverse event following vaccination, be it coincidental or truly caused by a vaccine. The report of an adverse event to VAERS is not documentation that a vaccine caused the event.
VAERS data contains coincidental events and those truly caused by vaccines.
More than 10 million vaccines per year are given to children less than 1 year old, usually between 2 and 6 months of age. At this age, infants are at greatest risk for certain medical adverse events, including high fevers, seizures, and sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS). Some infants will experience these medical events shortly after a vaccination by coincidence.
These coincidences make it difficult to know whether a particular adverse event resulted from a medical condition or from a vaccination. Therefore, vaccine providers are encouraged to report all adverse events following vaccination, whether or not they believe the vaccination was the cause.
Please read the following statement on the limits of VAERS data. You MUST click on the box below to access the VAERS database.
When evaluating data from VAERS, it is important to note that for any reported event, no cause-and-effect relationship has been established. Reports of all possible associations between vaccines and adverse events (possible side effects) are filed in VAERS. Therefore, VAERS collects data on any adverse event following vaccination, be it coincidental or truly caused by a vaccine. The report of an adverse event to VAERS is not documentation that a vaccine caused the event.
VAERS data contains coincidental events and those truly caused by vaccines.
More than 10 million vaccines per year are given to children less than 1 year old, usually between 2 and 6 months of age. At this age, infants are at greatest risk for certain medical adverse events, including high fevers, seizures, and sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS). Some infants will experience these medical events shortly after a vaccination by coincidence.
These coincidences make it difficult to know whether a particular adverse event resulted from a medical condition or from a vaccination. Therefore, vaccine providers are encouraged to report all adverse events following vaccination, whether or not they believe the vaccination was the cause.
Please read the following statement on the limits of VAERS data. You MUST click on the box below to access the VAERS database.
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I'm talking about the present. If the numbers change, so do the costs and benefits. Obviously.
DanTex
Feb 2015
#2
There was a measles outbreak in 1989-91 that infected 55k and killed 123.
Spider Jerusalem
Feb 2015
#3
Anectodal evidence, huh. Yes, I'm assuming that event was covered by that study which
DanTex
Feb 2015
#5
We lived in a society where "most" people were vaccinated, presumably, in 1989.
Spider Jerusalem
Feb 2015
#7
You are right about that. Not vaccinating is a selfish act. But it is not an irrational one.
DanTex
Feb 2015
#9
"That's a societal argument, not an individual one" OMFG shoot me up the ass right now,
sibelian
Feb 2015
#28
I'm not sure what you mean. Do you not understand the distinction between a societal
DanTex
Feb 2015
#34
Fair enough, but is there anything wrong with the math or the argument in the OP?
DanTex
Feb 2015
#15
If you live in a country with highe measles rates the cost-benefit analysis will change. Obviously.
DanTex
Feb 2015
#23
145,000 deaths EVERY YEAR from measles -- and that's at current vaccination levels
mainer
Feb 2015
#20
That's worldwide, not in the US. I'm talking about the cost-benefit analysis for an individual in
DanTex
Feb 2015
#26