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Major Nikon

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36. Using data post 2000 would make even less sense
Sun Feb 8, 2015, 12:47 PM
Feb 2015

Because in essence you would be saying the MMR vaccine's effectiveness is a reason not to get it.

But regardless of what figure you come up with by pure speculation, comparing it to the complete bullshit figure from VAERS is still misleading and is easy enough to debunk by simply reading the disclaimer one has to click to acknowledge to get to the database in the first place. Very telling that.

Guide to Interpreting VAERS Case Report Information
When evaluating data from VAERS, it is important to note that for any reported event, no cause-and-effect relationship has been established. Reports of all possible associations between vaccines and adverse events (possible side effects) are filed in VAERS. Therefore, VAERS collects data on any adverse event following vaccination, be it coincidental or truly caused by a vaccine. The report of an adverse event to VAERS is not documentation that a vaccine caused the event.

VAERS data contains coincidental events and those truly caused by vaccines.
More than 10 million vaccines per year are given to children less than 1 year old, usually between 2 and 6 months of age. At this age, infants are at greatest risk for certain medical adverse events, including high fevers, seizures, and sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS). Some infants will experience these medical events shortly after a vaccination by coincidence.
These coincidences make it difficult to know whether a particular adverse event resulted from a medical condition or from a vaccination. Therefore, vaccine providers are encouraged to report all adverse events following vaccination, whether or not they believe the vaccination was the cause.

Please read the following statement on the limits of VAERS data. You MUST click on the box below to access the VAERS database.

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The enormous fucking hole in that analysis: Spider Jerusalem Feb 2015 #1
I'm talking about the present. If the numbers change, so do the costs and benefits. Obviously. DanTex Feb 2015 #2
There was a measles outbreak in 1989-91 that infected 55k and killed 123. Spider Jerusalem Feb 2015 #3
Anectodal evidence, huh. Yes, I'm assuming that event was covered by that study which DanTex Feb 2015 #5
We lived in a society where "most" people were vaccinated, presumably, in 1989. Spider Jerusalem Feb 2015 #7
I don't think you understand what an "individual decision" is. DanTex Feb 2015 #12
The consequences of your "individual decision" can onecaliberal Feb 2015 #22
The overall historical fatality rate... Spider Jerusalem Feb 2015 #32
There are other holes as well Major Nikon Feb 2015 #14
The argument doesn't rely on 1950s data for anything except for DanTex Feb 2015 #18
Using data post 2000 would make even less sense Major Nikon Feb 2015 #36
Well, we live in 2015, so there's that... DanTex Feb 2015 #39
so do we live in a ME society... handmade34 Feb 2015 #4
You are right about that. Not vaccinating is a selfish act. But it is not an irrational one. DanTex Feb 2015 #9
Your reasoning is false jehop61 Feb 2015 #6
50 years ago, the risk of contracting measles was far higher than it was today. DanTex Feb 2015 #11
redo your math, marym625 Feb 2015 #8
What part? Mortality rate is mortality rate. DanTex Feb 2015 #10
baloney marym625 Feb 2015 #17
That's a societal argument, not an individual one. DanTex Feb 2015 #19
If the vaccination rates drop marym625 Feb 2015 #25
Yes, and if vaccination rates drop and measles rates go up, then at some point DanTex Feb 2015 #38
"That's a societal argument, not an individual one" OMFG shoot me up the ass right now, sibelian Feb 2015 #28
I'm not sure what you mean. Do you not understand the distinction between a societal DanTex Feb 2015 #34
Thank you! marym625 Feb 2015 #35
Not only is it irrational, it's plain stupid. Dr Hobbitstein Feb 2015 #13
Fair enough, but is there anything wrong with the math or the argument in the OP? DanTex Feb 2015 #15
Anti-anti-vax? Isn't that what the anti-vaxxers say to try and smear Dr Hobbitstein Feb 2015 #21
+1 marym625 Feb 2015 #27
Your "math" specifically avoids asking the relevant questions. sibelian Feb 2015 #37
What relevant questions? And can we do this without the personal attacks? DanTex Feb 2015 #40
Wow. Let's look at some materials from Europe for comparison... Bluenorthwest Feb 2015 #16
If you live in a country with highe measles rates the cost-benefit analysis will change. Obviously. DanTex Feb 2015 #23
145,000 deaths EVERY YEAR from measles -- and that's at current vaccination levels mainer Feb 2015 #20
That's worldwide, not in the US. I'm talking about the cost-benefit analysis for an individual in DanTex Feb 2015 #26
Yes, it is really irrational to skip the MMR vaccine. 99Forever Feb 2015 #24
Fair enough, just curious if there is any statistical or logical argument behind that sentiment. DanTex Feb 2015 #29
I generally don't argue with stupid. 99Forever Feb 2015 #33
+1 marym625 Feb 2015 #31
Wow, you just made the same debunked argument EVERY anti-Vaxxer makes. MohRokTah Feb 2015 #30
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