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In reply to the discussion: The charred body of Jesse Washington; whites from Waco, not ISIS, burned him alive - By Bill Moyers [View all]Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)154. "smear that Moyers' intent was to minimize the death of the Jordanian pilot"
No.
Moyers is trying to minimize the calls to deal decisively with ISIS. This phony little lecture serves no practical purpose.
I bet there were lots of people that condoned it. The ones that perpetrated it are not the only sick racists in this nation.
There are sick racists/bigots/homophobes/ideologues/just-plain-rotten-bastards in every place at every time.
The question is: What to do about them?
Is he out to lecture the racists? I'll suggest that might just be an exercise in futility because the racists already know who they are and what they feel and they have already concluded they are better than everyone else. They cannot be reasoned out of their barbarity.
Is Moyers' proposal to sit there and lecture those who already find bigotry and murder to be morally reprehensible?
"That thing you already condemn as morally reprehensible is bad and don't you forget it!!!1!1!!"
Gee, thanks.
I can only imagine Moyers having been around a hundred years ago. The news comes in that a young black man has been kidnapped, tortured and burned alive by racists. Moyers response? A worthless article noting that a hundred years earlier another person was burned alive by another group with the same subset of moral failings and because of that those calling for the killers of Jesse Washington to be brought to justice would do well to remember racism was alive and well in 1817 and as such who are we (meaning, "not me"
Such an exercise would be stupid and pointless -- just like this modern effort.
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The charred body of Jesse Washington; whites from Waco, not ISIS, burned him alive - By Bill Moyers [View all]
DonViejo
Feb 2015
OP
I recall one more recently, Not a burning. No, the victim was dragged behind a pickup alive
notadmblnd
Feb 2015
#31
there was a very recent incident which was ruled a suicide but I think is being investigated
Voice for Peace
Feb 2015
#91
It was fucked up psychopaths then and fucked up psychopaths now, using the same false mask of religion.
Fred Sanders
Feb 2015
#5
How fucked up is it that folks refuse to view the 23 minutes of Obama's speech in response to
Fred Sanders
Feb 2015
#134
Thank you for the Vid of President Obama at the National Prayer Breakfast.. what an excellent
Cha
Feb 2015
#159
We need to know horrible aspects of US racism & atrocities like this. Appreciate the post.
appalachiablue
Feb 2015
#6
It happened in Fallujah when civilians were burned to death, babies, women, dogs by White
sabrina 1
Feb 2015
#10
Amazing compilation on that horrific war crime polly. How quickly we forget.
sabrina 1
Feb 2015
#108
Well said Polly. I'm all for the war criminals, Ledeen, Wolfowitz Cheney of course
sabrina 1
Feb 2015
#147
Are you seriously saying you are unaware of the war crimes in Fallujah? All links to the
sabrina 1
Feb 2015
#65
You are perhaps responding to another victim of the propaganda state, so it is not willful ignorance.
Fred Sanders
Feb 2015
#136
No need to remain ignorant though. Polly has posted some links below that make it
sabrina 1
Feb 2015
#143
Then perhaps you can show me where Moyers' proposal for dealing with ISIS.
Nuclear Unicorn
Feb 2015
#19
"Who the fuck do you think you are? You're not fit to pass judgment on Bill Moyers."
Nuclear Unicorn
Feb 2015
#48
He's the one pushing the collectivist-guilt BS for a century-old murder.
Nuclear Unicorn
Feb 2015
#67
Humanity has a racist present and humanity has a racist future as well.
Nuclear Unicorn
Feb 2015
#85
WOW!!! Bill Moyers is getting thrown under the bus now??????????????????????????????????????
cui bono
Feb 2015
#99
Would I be correct if I assume you disagree with the President's statement....
DonViejo
Feb 2015
#28
I don't need to be reminded of human barbarism so spare me yet more fake moral preening.
Nuclear Unicorn
Feb 2015
#80
It's giving context. Preening and prancing? I'm seeing plenty of both here-
bettyellen
Feb 2015
#129
The people who are outrage over the death of the Jordanian pilot would not
Nuclear Unicorn
Feb 2015
#133
Yes, Obama is talking about America's racism. I think it is about all of us- not just me.
bettyellen
Feb 2015
#138
If you have not viewed the entire Obama speech but have viewed the ISIL snuff movie, then.....
Fred Sanders
Feb 2015
#140
So making sure America and Americans remind themselves their participation in
NoJusticeNoPeace
Feb 2015
#33
I don't take moral lectures from people who have the avatar of racist, mass murderers.
Nuclear Unicorn
Feb 2015
#137
You don't take them from anyone, as your posts on this thread demonstrate.
a la izquierda
Feb 2015
#144
I am quite aware of what I write and I read well enough to know people
Nuclear Unicorn
Feb 2015
#146
Why should anyone listen to someone who falsly accused someone else of being a car thief when
NoJusticeNoPeace
Feb 2015
#40
NO, i AM that poster, please show where I said I stole a car, you see I did not steal a car or claim
NoJusticeNoPeace
Feb 2015
#45
OK, so you dismissively called stealing cars a "right (sic) of passage" but never stole any cars.
Nuclear Unicorn
Feb 2015
#50
So you lie about me being a car thief and you laugh it off in one sentence? SERIOUSLY?
NoJusticeNoPeace
Feb 2015
#51
At least you dont deny why you have such a problem with me, that is good.
NoJusticeNoPeace
Feb 2015
#66
I call out Moyers for a tu quoque fallacy so your refutation is to call it a straw man based on the
Nuclear Unicorn
Feb 2015
#120
Moyer did not use the Jesse Washington atrocity to justify that by ISIS. In fact to say he
rhett o rick
Feb 2015
#132
I never said Moyers is justifying the acts by ISIS. I never even came close to it.
Nuclear Unicorn
Feb 2015
#135
To be a "tu quoque fallacy" Moyers would have to refute the arguement that the ISIS
rhett o rick
Feb 2015
#141
I appreciate your "cut and paste" attempt, but if you had read the definition you'd have caught
rhett o rick
Feb 2015
#145
I see you had to switch from claiming I said Moyers was attempting to justify Washington's murder
Nuclear Unicorn
Feb 2015
#148
Sorry, but you are not making any sense. Best I can tell you are arguing in a circle. No one
rhett o rick
Feb 2015
#149
"smear that Moyers' intent was to minimize the death of the Jordanian pilot"
Nuclear Unicorn
Feb 2015
#154
So this boils down to you thinking, "Moyers is trying to minimize the calls to deal decisively with
rhett o rick
Feb 2015
#156
Where were all the "The pakistan school shootings were justified, because of Sandy Hook" threads?
ileus
Feb 2015
#123
Perhaps if there were the possibility of US intervention we would see them.
Nuclear Unicorn
Feb 2015
#150
It's time to leave the middle east alone, playing the world policeman role has ended in misery
dissentient
Feb 2015
#9
The rw is so busy denying history and rewriting anything bad in it that they do not realize that
jwirr
Feb 2015
#18
But..but...our methods of killing people are more scientifically advanced and efficient!
Tierra_y_Libertad
Feb 2015
#22
Like all of those people we tortured? Very probably some to death? Plausible sexual depravity
TheKentuckian
Feb 2015
#128
Thank God ISIS is incinerating people. How else would we know about our own racism?
Dreamer Tatum
Feb 2015
#34
I don't disagree with Moyers' point, but why is the ultimate outcome of this insight still more war?
Romulox
Feb 2015
#35
Even back then people attempted to deflect attention from such atrocities by pointing to past events
Kaleva
Feb 2015
#71
I would rather concentrate my efforts at condemning ISIS and their barbarity.
totodeinhere
Feb 2015
#76
Damn.. unreal how anyone wouldn't get this.. on DU, especially. I could understand out
Cha
Feb 2015
#114
Speak for yourself. I'm sure I'm not alone here in recognizing the historical crimes by and within
WinkyDink
Feb 2015
#119
I'm certainly not speaking to you. I'm talking directly to the OP and others who have a clue.
Cha
Feb 2015
#121
Are examples of evil supposed to mitigate another one? What is the purpose of this example, then?
WinkyDink
Feb 2015
#117
Wow, look at how many lurkers stopped by to view the photo in this thread. nt
kelliekat44
Feb 2015
#155