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In reply to the discussion: If you don't think we're already living in a police state, consider this. [View all]Octafish
(55,745 posts)20. A REAL Democrat tried to warn us in 1976.
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Frank Church was a patriot, a hero and a statesman, truly a great American.
The guy also led the last real investigation of CIA, NSA and FBI. When it came to NSA Tech circa 1975, he definitely knew what he was talking about:
That capability at any time could be turned around on the American people and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything: telephone conversations, telegrams, it doesnt matter. There would be no place to hide. If this government ever became a tyranny, if a dictator ever took charge in this country, the technological capacity that the intelligence community has given the government could enable it to impose total tyranny, and there would be no way to fight back, because the most careful effort to combine together in resistance to the government, no matter how privately it was done, is within the reach of the government to know. Such is the capability of this technology.
I dont want to see this country ever go across the bridge. I know the capability that is there to make tyranny total in America, and we must see it that this agency and all agencies that possess this technology operate within the law and under proper supervision, so that we never cross over that abyss. That is the abyss from which there is no return.
-- Sen. Frank Church (D-Idaho) FDR New Deal, Liberal, Progressive, World War II combat veteran. A brave man, the NSA was turned on him. Coincidentally, he narrowly lost re-election a few years later.
I dont want to see this country ever go across the bridge. I know the capability that is there to make tyranny total in America, and we must see it that this agency and all agencies that possess this technology operate within the law and under proper supervision, so that we never cross over that abyss. That is the abyss from which there is no return.
-- Sen. Frank Church (D-Idaho) FDR New Deal, Liberal, Progressive, World War II combat veteran. A brave man, the NSA was turned on him. Coincidentally, he narrowly lost re-election a few years later.
Newly minted CIA director George Herbert Walker Bush would help shut down the investigation by making a case that former agents leaked the CIA station chief in Greece's name. Of course, no one brought up the point that the man's name was well known before any leaks, as detailed in here on DU.
And what happened to Church, for his trouble to preserve Democracy:
In 1980, Church will lose re-election to the Senate in part because of accusations of his committees responsibility for Welchs death by his Republican opponent, Jim McClure.
SOURCE: http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=frank_church_1
SOURCE: http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=frank_church_1
Spanning from the pre-war years to the present day are the people who tried to overthrow FDR in 1933 and their kids.
The BFEE represent the Dulles Brothers in the present Age. As David Talbot, Salon.com co-founder put it: Allen Dulles was the chairman of the board of the assassination. Since the assassination of President Kennedy 50 years ago, money has trumped peace. Its agent is secret, unaccountable government, which has worked to create the richest and most powerful class in history, and wars without end and now the best STASI money can buy to keep them that way.
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If you don't think we're already living in a police state, consider this. [View all]
99th_Monkey
Feb 2015
OP
14 Defining Characteristics of Fascism (http://www.rense.com/general37/char.htm)
blkmusclmachine
Feb 2015
#1
It is 14 out of 14, the first step is to define realized what religion is being intertwined
happyslug
Feb 2015
#160
But to this degree and such highly sophisticated organization against democracy for ALL?
lexington filly
Feb 2015
#79
At some point, the pendulum will begin to swing away from this practice toward equality for all.
Dont call me Shirley
Feb 2015
#3
I consider it the most sane of woowoo notion that at some point a critical mass of sanity triggers
Dont call me Shirley
Feb 2015
#13
i hope that eventually a switch will be thrown in the unconscious mind of everyone.
TimeToEvolve
Feb 2015
#60
Yes and I have been in the blackness of eternal night, and I made it through.
Dont call me Shirley
Feb 2015
#24
The phrase actually comes from Hermeticism - A swing to the right is a swing to the left
Hestia
Feb 2015
#138
Interesting, but the pendulum I referred to is meant to cut victims in half
HereSince1628
Feb 2015
#162
Yup! When I saw the beatdown of Occupy and the neo-military response to Furgoson
OffWithTheirHeads
Feb 2015
#14
Brightened my day! We still got Obama, the White House, all the good States, and all the good ideas.
Fred Sanders
Feb 2015
#30
oh pleeeez...you insult people being persecuted around the world by using this term for the USA.
uhnope
Feb 2015
#26
When younger, I would NEVER have believed the USA could EVER sink to 46th in press freedom
Faryn Balyncd
Feb 2015
#54
+10000 And..The United States has the largest prison population in the world,
woo me with science
Feb 2015
#100
"I mean some people who claim to be poor even have microwave ovens and TVs..." Fox News
whereisjustice
Feb 2015
#112
We lost this game a long time ago. The two minute warning was when we let the Supreme Court
world wide wally
Feb 2015
#40
I think your first paragraph could use more detail because as I read about the last 40 years being
Bluenorthwest
Feb 2015
#46
yes. The INCREASE in freedoms in the USA in last 40 years doesn't fit into the narrative
uhnope
Feb 2015
#52
I see. So there's a plan by the "The Oligarchs" to fool us by giving us some freedom
uhnope
Feb 2015
#59
You demean the years of struggle against your straight culture that produced the progress in
Bluenorthwest
Feb 2015
#91
I think the fact that you feel you can characterize me with impunity suggests a lack of equity in
Bluenorthwest
Feb 2015
#141
What specifically leads you to believe that gay rights was a "carrot" developed by oligarchs?
LanternWaste
Feb 2015
#144
and how does this supposed Police State USA compare to actual police states in...
uhnope
Feb 2015
#55
Asking questions in lieu of presenting an actual counter argument seems to indicate
rhett o rick
Feb 2015
#145
police reform is of the utmost importance IMO but reform is stalled by yahoos yelling "police state"
uhnope
Feb 2015
#147
OK, you may be conflating a number of issues, hyperbalizing things and calling up a mythical past.
pinto
Feb 2015
#68
The answer is two fold. "Can it be a true police state whil citizenry are armed?"
rhett o rick
Feb 2015
#146
Excellent post, the rich are funding a police state to stifle dissent as they steal
whereisjustice
Feb 2015
#115
The fact this post stays up, and DU actually exists, speaks against the idea of a police state.
Drunken Irishman
Feb 2015
#118
Armed officers appearing at people's residences over building code enforcement
aint_no_life_nowhere
Feb 2015
#119
A slowly boiled frog doesn't get it until he's dead, at which point, he's oblivious.
merrily
Feb 2015
#142
You might want to re-think your "investigative journalists" with the benefit of hindsight
Blue_Tires
Jan 2018
#169