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68. OK, you may be conflating a number of issues, hyperbalizing things and calling up a mythical past.

Sun Feb 8, 2015, 07:09 PM

Feb 2015

The extremely poor, the homeless, itinerants have always been marginalized. Sometimes through simple public neglect, antagonistic public opinion or overt legal actions. It's not a new situation by any means.

Journalism has always been in contrast to the official "line" when appropriate and documented. While the 24/7 social media aspect of it all has changed the game, I think the bulk of journalism still holds to an independent voice. And journalism has often challenged the record when it has the verifiable info.

War criminal charges against Cheney, GWBush, John Yoo, et. al. are a whole another issue. One I think is unlikely to come to a federal court. The court of public opinion is a whole another matter.

Appreciate your passion, but suggest you pick and choose your spots. Conflating them all together may be essentially ineffective and in some instances, damaging to some of the basics we support.

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If you don't think we're already living in a police state, consider this. [View all] 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 OP

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you're really in tinfoil hat department there uhnope Feb 2015 #31

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I don't know about your "fight for human rights" 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #47

read post #46. Your view is one-sided and a bit silly. uhnope Feb 2015 #50

Please see post #53 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #57

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I agree with and know about everything in your excellent post uhnope Feb 2015 #70

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Nice! Enthusiast Feb 2015 #134

From a while back, but interesting, nonetheless. CrispyQ Feb 2015 #28

Wow, yes. 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #33

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They love the Internet & are collecting data on all of us. CrispyQ Feb 2015 #39

I see. So the police will bust down the doors of the freethinkers when? uhnope Feb 2015 #42

That's silly 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #43

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K&R! TeamPooka Feb 2015 #38

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yes. The INCREASE in freedoms in the USA in last 40 years doesn't fit into the narrative uhnope Feb 2015 #52

Thanks for your thoughtful post 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #53

I see. So there's a plan by the "The Oligarchs" to fool us by giving us some freedom uhnope Feb 2015 #59

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What is it about 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #94

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I refer you to post 53 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #58

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.. questionseverything Feb 2015 #153

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Huge, huge K&R. Of course you are correct, woo me with science Feb 2015 #56

And the legitimization of corporate theft from the people's coffers erronis Feb 2015 #61

OK, you may be conflating a number of issues, hyperbalizing things and calling up a mythical past. pinto Feb 2015 #68

I realize that can be accused of "conflating issues" 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #83

See your point. pinto Feb 2015 #85

Thanks for that. 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #86

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Read the responses, your post is absolutely spot on but... guillaumeb Feb 2015 #90

Labor history is a really fascinating subject 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #99

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people of color have been criminalzed? Huh? (nt) PosterChild Feb 2015 #104

Have you heard of "Driving while black"? 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #106

investigative journalists have beeen criminalized? PosterChild Feb 2015 #105

Just to name a few. 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #108

Judith Miller.... PosterChild Feb 2015 #163

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Sshh. 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #110

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Thank you. 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #121

The fact this post stays up, and DU actually exists, speaks against the idea of a police state. Drunken Irishman Feb 2015 #118

Yes DU exists ... Until it doesn't 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #124

Yes. I think it invalidates your point. Drunken Irishman Feb 2015 #125

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Kick and R. BeanMusical Feb 2015 #123

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K&R! This post should have hundreds of recommendations! Enthusiast Feb 2015 #127

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also criminalized are certain aspects of family law grasswire Feb 2015 #151

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