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Jamastiene

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146. The ones who spend on both sides want to make sure they own whichever party wins.

Reply to NoJusticeNoPeace (Original post)

Sun Feb 8, 2015, 08:37 PM

Feb 2015

The ones who don't spend on both sides REALLY want the right wingers to win, because the GOP has so many flakes so far to the right. That matches what the right wing billionaires really want.

As far as the argument that both parties are the same, on quite a few votes, they do end up voting the same, for the most part, but there are still lots of issues that seem to actually get opposite votes on each side. So, I cannot argue that both parties are the same all the time, only sometimes.

The answer to both questions comes down to money. Who has it? Who wants it most? Who will jump through the most hoops to get it? Who will be the most loyal to the billionaires? If a politician will not be loyal, that billionaire will not invest in that politician. It's the way of politics. It's all about the $$$.

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Why do rightwing billionaires spend hundreds of millions on elections if both parties are the same? [View all] NoJusticeNoPeace Feb 2015 OP

Because dumb, uninformed, hateful voters are easier to buy. nt onehandle Feb 2015 #1

But there is a reason they want the republican in office and not the democrat, right? NoJusticeNoPeace Feb 2015 #2

No, because it's PROFITABLE and sustains the illusion of democracy. woo me with science Feb 2015 #57

Excellent response, Thank YOU! haikugal Feb 2015 #133

Both parties are NOT the same, so the premise of your post is flawed (perhaps KingCharlemagne Feb 2015 #3

No, both parties are NOT the same, that is my point. NoJusticeNoPeace Feb 2015 #4

Dems are somewhat less corporate tools. Yay... think Feb 2015 #5

Not really glasshouses Feb 2015 #8

Really, so they are the same on choice? voting rights? workers rights? taxation? NoJusticeNoPeace Feb 2015 #18

Both bow down to money glasshouses Feb 2015 #20

Is it a pet project if my sister is killed in a back alley abortion, to you? NoJusticeNoPeace Feb 2015 #21

I'm sure the billionaires wouldn't lose any sleep over it glasshouses Feb 2015 #27

They both bow down to money because that's the only way they can get elected, or napi21 Feb 2015 #55

They are the same in some regards for the 1% glasshouses Feb 2015 #6

So you agree with Ted Cruz, got it NoJusticeNoPeace Feb 2015 #33

Even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while glasshouses Feb 2015 #46

At least you can admit it...why do you post on a board dedicated to the Democratic Party? NoJusticeNoPeace Feb 2015 #48

it's a default setting glasshouses Feb 2015 #67

Oh so you agree that allowing all people to vote doesnt matter? NoJusticeNoPeace Feb 2015 #68

I don't think you will ever find a post of mine saying I won't vote for who ever glasshouses Feb 2015 #73

OK, then there is no reason for us to be talking about this, sorry NoJusticeNoPeace Feb 2015 #75

No apology needed , it's a discussion board glasshouses Feb 2015 #85

"I'm a socialist" A-Schwarzenegger Feb 2015 #84

why is that funny glasshouses Feb 2015 #87

Funny? I'm happy that you became a socialist overnight A-Schwarzenegger Feb 2015 #89

I did not support Paul in any of my posts glasshouses Feb 2015 #101

Well, you're a socialist now, A-Schwarzenegger Feb 2015 #107

Hillary is a tool glasshouses Feb 2015 #9

And Ted Cruz is saying something today on TV that I am sure you are in complete agreement with NoJusticeNoPeace Feb 2015 #31

The party lost me with TPP , they talk a good game but in the end they will fall in line glasshouses Feb 2015 #39

One party will kill women, one wont, do you sit out the election? NoJusticeNoPeace Feb 2015 #49

Single issue voting? Ok then Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #90

Got it, you say no, if women die, then so be it, if minorities are stopped from voting, so be it NoJusticeNoPeace Feb 2015 #91

Interesting...you are a mind reader too? Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #98

Got it, you say no difference, got it NoJusticeNoPeace Feb 2015 #99

Tell us all how the parties are different... Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #102

So you believe Hillary may appoint a SC justice who will go against Roe? NoJusticeNoPeace Feb 2015 #104

You assume she will or won't? Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #108

W O W NoJusticeNoPeace Feb 2015 #110

Is that an attempted insult? Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #116

OMG OMG OMG you did NOT say that OMG NoJusticeNoPeace Feb 2015 #118

OMG OMG OMG reading comprehension issues? Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #120

YOu just accused me of tearing apart the dem party or this board, it was an absurd thing to say NoJusticeNoPeace Feb 2015 #121

No, it's not absurd. Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #124

Oh, and insult MY ASS, show me the long list of minorities who dont see a difference in the parties NoJusticeNoPeace Feb 2015 #119

Minorities? White privilege? OMG WHAT? Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #122

Dont you wonder why there are so few people who have to fight for their rights, minorities NoJusticeNoPeace Feb 2015 #123

In my camp? I have a camp? Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #125

Visably angry? Infuriated you say? Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #100

The German Communist Party in the early 1930s made the fatal mistake of welcoming KingCharlemagne Feb 2015 #32

Exactly, but according to MANY here at DU, both parties are the same, weird NoJusticeNoPeace Feb 2015 #34

The Turd Way Dems will boil us frogs a little more slowly hifiguy Feb 2015 #92

Lets assume you are right, for the sake of argument NoJusticeNoPeace Feb 2015 #93

false assumption Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #103

Blackmail is no way to earn votes. Maedhros Feb 2015 #159

While I mostly agree with you....my gut is telling me things will have to get worse before... yourout Feb 2015 #151

Absolutely. jwirr Feb 2015 #80

Then neither party represents sulphurdunn Feb 2015 #106

Agreed, but the Dems still honor the principles of pluralism and to some extent KingCharlemagne Feb 2015 #130

Absolute bull for corporate Dems. Perhaps the most vicious lie of Third Way politicians, woo me with science Feb 2015 #144

Excellent argument. I will read every link. sulphurdunn Feb 2015 #156

Yes, you are correct. sulphurdunn Feb 2015 #154

For the same reason left wing billionaires do Fuzzy Slipper Feb 2015 #7

Which leftwing billionaires are spending hundreds of millions, and do you think their AGENDA NoJusticeNoPeace Feb 2015 #11

There are about 2100 billionaires in the world Fuzzy Slipper Feb 2015 #15

clever insult NoJusticeNoPeace Feb 2015 #16

Because the GOP favors them slightly more than the Democrats davidn3600 Feb 2015 #10

Does one care about women having a right to their body and another doesnt? NoJusticeNoPeace Feb 2015 #12

You were asking why billionaires spend money on one party more than the other davidn3600 Feb 2015 #40

Lets assume you are right, just for the sake of argument NoJusticeNoPeace Feb 2015 #47

DOes one party want to DRASTICALLY reduce taxes paid by the rich and corps and one doesnt? NoJusticeNoPeace Feb 2015 #13

Does one want to systematically take away voting rights and workers rights and one doesnt? NoJusticeNoPeace Feb 2015 #14

Because the GOP is more bold and open in their contempt of the working class Populist_Prole Feb 2015 #17

Even the most liberal, radical Americans, especially those with life experiences going back to the NoJusticeNoPeace Feb 2015 #19

I guess we talked past each other Populist_Prole Feb 2015 #24

Yeah, sorry...I am having a hard time believing people who allege to be liberals are NoJusticeNoPeace Feb 2015 #29

Why do you suppose the Kochs funded the DLC? Marr Feb 2015 #22

FIrst I am unaware the Koch's funded the DLC, second, they are not funding the democratic candidate NoJusticeNoPeace Feb 2015 #23

Here you go. Marr Feb 2015 #35

Yes Koch money helped set them up. And Al Gore was one of the first chairs... HereSince1628 Feb 2015 #36

So you folks agree with Ted Cruz then? NoJusticeNoPeace Feb 2015 #38

What a pitiful response. /nt Marr Feb 2015 #42

NO, in fact it is the PERFECT RESPONSE...jesus christ NoJusticeNoPeace Feb 2015 #44

Oh, yeah-- you're going to disengage now because you're just TOO honorable. Marr Feb 2015 #50

BullSHIT, you are willing to act in a way that will kill women in back alleys NoJusticeNoPeace Feb 2015 #52

You don't want to talk about right-wing billionaires' political spending anymore, I see. Marr Feb 2015 #53

Sure I do, show me where the Koch's are supporting the democratic party, today, please. NoJusticeNoPeace Feb 2015 #56

*sigh*.... fine. I'll kick at your *new* goalpost. Marr Feb 2015 #59

ROFL nt Oilwellian Feb 2015 #114

LOL. woo me with science Feb 2015 #153

LOL Oilwellian Feb 2015 #113

Fail. Such linkage is really for sophomores HereSince1628 Feb 2015 #43

But you both say Obama and the dems are equal to the cons, right? NoJusticeNoPeace Feb 2015 #45

NO. I'm providing what YOU ASKED FOR EVIDENCE KOCHS SUPPORTED THE DLC!!!!! HereSince1628 Feb 2015 #51

Yes, I see now you are one of the FEW posters here who isnt defending Ted Cruz and attacking the NoJusticeNoPeace Feb 2015 #54

Wow, you ask for evidence...it's given and all you have is ad hominem attacks HereSince1628 Feb 2015 #58

NO, I was admitting that all you did was provide me the evidence and you didnt attack outside of NoJusticeNoPeace Feb 2015 #61

I hold out hope for the Democratic Party and intend to help in the fight for its 'soul.' LongTomH Feb 2015 #25

Good, thanks. NoJusticeNoPeace Feb 2015 #26

My guess is that they want to guarantee control regardless ladjf Feb 2015 #28

Wall Street does that, and Wall Street is very rightwing, but the Koch and Walton's of the world NoJusticeNoPeace Feb 2015 #30

If you wish, we can. You won't like it though. Savannahmann Feb 2015 #37

So women's health are equally in danger no matter which party is in power? NoJusticeNoPeace Feb 2015 #41

That has to be the worst comeback I've read in quite some time. Savannahmann Feb 2015 #111

I wonder why minorities are the last people to take your position? NoJusticeNoPeace Feb 2015 #112

No, there are apparently many more differences between us. Savannahmann Feb 2015 #135

Show me where I ever said anything within a million miles of this, or assure me you didnt NoJusticeNoPeace Feb 2015 #136

I'm not sure I'm on the same page. Savannahmann Feb 2015 #141

To raise the price of admission whatchamacallit Feb 2015 #60

Influence AgingAmerican Feb 2015 #62

Not the Koch Bros, do you think they will spend equally on getting dems in power as cons? NoJusticeNoPeace Feb 2015 #65

They are called 'Hedged bet donations' AgingAmerican Feb 2015 #77

This question in the OP is always the weak attempt at a "trump card" woo me with science Feb 2015 #63

Link to the original OP that attempted this Third Way talking point AND others: woo me with science Feb 2015 #76

Because the Birchers/Fascists have taken full control of the gop. The Progressive side of the Dont call me Shirley Feb 2015 #64

But look at all the folks here who are certain there is NO difference between the two NoJusticeNoPeace Feb 2015 #66

Cite the post that says there's NO difference between the two parties, please. /nt Marr Feb 2015 #71

All of your responses, all of the no difference responses are here. NoJusticeNoPeace Feb 2015 #74

Either quote it or admit you're lying. Marr Feb 2015 #79

The TPP is a gift to billionaires and is very much Phlem Feb 2015 #69

And it is terrible and it is wrong...but there is a difference between the parties NoJusticeNoPeace Feb 2015 #70

That's what people say. But when it comes to economics Phlem Feb 2015 #78

Yeah, when another family becomes destitute Oilwellian Feb 2015 #117

Spot on my friend. +1 Phlem Feb 2015 #158

Coke or Pepsi Piasladic Feb 2015 #72

Both wanna take away women's rights to their own bodies and strip voting rights? NoJusticeNoPeace Feb 2015 #82

Well said. outside Feb 2015 #115

Apathetic would-be voters are easier to keep away from the polls.....nt AverageJoe90 Feb 2015 #81

by that logic, Obama's whipping for the TPP = Dems are cheaper to buy MisterP Feb 2015 #83

Yikes MFrohike Feb 2015 #86

OK, I wont ask you if you will vote in such a way to stop women from being killed NoJusticeNoPeace Feb 2015 #96

Cool MFrohike Feb 2015 #142

What? You lost me..I asked a simple question, dont answer it if you dont want but dont answer it NoJusticeNoPeace Feb 2015 #143

I'm not surprised MFrohike Feb 2015 #148

The stucture/means/ways is the same. The ideas are very very different. kydo Feb 2015 #88

expensive maintenance for a large illusion. Adam051188 Feb 2015 #94

You think... sendero Feb 2015 #95

they spend the money on both sides. it's good to maintain the illusion of difference, however. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #97

and don't forget the Kochs creating the DLC MisterP Feb 2015 #105

Now that's something I've heard said often that I've never been able to find authoritative evidence ND-Dem Feb 2015 #132

Billionaires on both sides spend big money on their party benz380 Feb 2015 #109

So it appears your OP is inaccurate Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #126

NO, they will NOT both spend on the Dem prez cand and the repub...unless you have something that NoJusticeNoPeace Feb 2015 #127

HA HA moving goal posts again? Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #129

another du person just now said this, said it WAY better than i could NoJusticeNoPeace Feb 2015 #128

NON-Sequitur... are you NOW switching... Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #131

I think the argument made that both parties are the same is made most often by single issue Agnosticsherbet Feb 2015 #134

ACA was both a give away to health ins co and a HUGE improvement on the old system NoJusticeNoPeace Feb 2015 #139

Which of the Terrorist on the SC were put there by Democrats? Agnosticsherbet Feb 2015 #140

More corporate talking points. woo me with science Feb 2015 #145

To think they are the same is inconsistant with reaity and history. Agnosticsherbet Feb 2015 #149

Nonsensical and unresponsive. Just like in the other thread. woo me with science Feb 2015 #150

Nonsensical and illogical. You began by calling it corporate talking points. You call them the same. Agnosticsherbet Feb 2015 #152

What I would like the Koch brothers to answer... 3catwoman3 Feb 2015 #137

That is how much they hate us, how much they want to destroy the environment NoJusticeNoPeace Feb 2015 #138

The ones who spend on both sides want to make sure they own whichever party wins. Jamastiene Feb 2015 #146

Did you think that being a moran stopped at a certain income level? Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2015 #147

That's easy - To hedge their bets RiverLover Feb 2015 #155

comedy gold. KG Feb 2015 #157

Koch Brothers money helped elect Bill Clinton, bvar22 Feb 2015 #160

Too ensure a Teddy Rosevelt doesn't get into office One_Life_To_Give Feb 2015 #161

The parties aren't the same. There are vast differences between them... SidDithers Feb 2015 #162

That is what I said, over and over, but you would have thought I was the anti christ NoJusticeNoPeace Feb 2015 #163