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80. Yes, a police state is being constructed around us:
Sun Feb 8, 2015, 08:50 PM
Feb 2015

Apologies for repeating this post, but I think it's relevant here.

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Yes, a police state is being constructed around us. And yes, it's used to further political goals...
http://election.democraticunderground.com/?com=edit&forum=1002&thread=5914695&pid=5915944



...and defend our corporate oligarchy and its corruption. It's a corporate-authoritarian state being very carefully and deliberately constructed around us.

All the indignant denials take the same form:

There's no Hitler, we're not being burned alive in ovens, or we're still typing on the internet, or we aren't being lined up in the streets and shot (well, that one's certainly debatable, isn't it...).

As though the corporate owners of the United States of America, who rely on its reputation as the beacon of freedom and democracy in the world, can't find more effective and less politically damaging means to make sure dissent never materializes into anything seriously threatening to the PTB.

Psst. Our president has a "Kill List." And indefinite detention. And a surveillance state. And an entire secret government, secret laws and secret courts, operating alongside the one we are taught about in school. And all it takes to become part of that is for someone to invoke the word, "terrorism" and relate it to you.

"But that's a high bar!" all the sensible woodchucks will protest. "I TRUST my president! And it's only for TERRORISTS!"

Really? And do we trust the next one?

Actually, we're all being spied on. And "terrorism" is being invoked as a weapon against political dissent.

Report Details How Counter Terrorism Apparatus Was Used to Monitor Occupy Movement Nationwide
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12527647

Whoop, There It Is... 'Evidence Homeland Security Coordinated Occupy Crackdown' -
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002462465

ACLU discovers FBI is labeling peace activists as 'potential terrorists'
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4500788

And the most sinister aspect of all of this is the fact that the language of terrorism and espionage is being actively expanded to include whatever citizens or groups the corporatists consider to be irritants: political enemies, protesters, even journalists.

Protestors against Energy Company charged with terrorism
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024175848

Mission Creep: When Everything is Terrorism
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023279560

US Uses Espionage Act To Convict Manning Using Words Added In 1990: "with a computer"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023375845

Fed Court: Just changed interpretation of Espionage Act to cover leaks that are NOT Harmful To USA
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023365713

NY Times: White House Uses Espionage Act to Silence Employees, Press
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101616764

Obama Has Charged More Under Espionage Act Than All Other Presidents Combined
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023080388

If you are a One Percenter trying to effectively use the government you have purchased to manage unpleasant press about what you are doing, what do you do? Well, one tactic might be to try to get the government into the business of deciding who is a journalist. That way you can claim to establish "protections" for whistleblowers, when what you are actually doing is creating categories through which you can exclude from protection those you don't want to protect.



Yeah, journalism isn't doing too well in this country. One might say it is being murdered. There's a reason it's supposed to be protected by the First Amendment. That reason is not compatible with increasingly totalitarian corporate control.

Petition Calls On Obama Stop Intimidation Of Journalists And Whistleblowers
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025509395

Why Is President Obama Keeping a Journalist in Prison in Yemen
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023300531

James Clapper Calls Journalists "Criminal Accomplices" -
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017174990

Reporters without Borders: 'Security interests threaten press freedom'
http://www.democraticunderground.com/11333723

US Plummets In Press Freedom Rankings
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024487392

Obama's escalating war on Freedom of the Press
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023314296

Risen Case: War on Journalism coming to a head
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101699216

Government Surveillance Is Crippling Press Freedoms, Report Shows
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023902153


So....you shut up the journalists.

And you shut up the protesters.

Who else do you need to shut up?

Ah....all the people who work for the government, many of whom can be assumed to still have consciences and thus be potentially dangerous to the corporate coup of democracy. How do you handle them?

Well, you can fire them. See, it's *useful* for the government of an ostensibly free nation to have highly visible groups engaged in protest...like the Black Panthers, etc....and not to deny them employment or do anything serious to them. It gives the illusion of freedom. But look what we learned of recently, about how firings happen at the Federal Reserve:


But you can also wage legal war against their power to function as whistleblowers. And you assault the unions that protect them.

The Obama administration/DOJ war on whistleblowers, federal unions
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5586389

You can institute draconian snitch rules to intimidate those who might be thinking about whistleblowing:

President's 'rat out your co-worker' plan unlikely to work, experts say
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023214675

And you claim the right to spy on them even at home.

You let the dissent flourish, as long as it's safe dissent. But you take care of the stuff that has the potential to be truly threatening. Most importantly, you make a vicious example of those who carry through with revealing corruption:

Daniel Ellsburg: Snowden would not get a fair trial today, was right to flee US
http://www.democraticunderground.com/11784497
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023198130

Bradley Manning: top US legal scholars voice outrage at torture
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x871563

That includes those who whistleblow on financial institutions, not just the government. Since you're not prosecuting the banking criminals, you have plenty of time to send up a guy who tried to identify them:

Bradley Birkenfeld, UBS Whistleblower, Finds Himself in Federal Prison
http://www.cnbc.com//id/41257962

It's a delicate line to walk, all this intimidation while still claiming to be the beacon of freedom for the world. But the intimidation is necessary, because people are starting to catch on.

No, nobody has sent the jackboots to line up the protesters in front of everyone and methodically kill them. But we're seeing the next best thing.

Militarizing the hell out of the police departments. That way it's blamed on some "programs"....but it sends a clear psychological message to the upstarts.

Stopping police militarization: Once again, the solution requires confronting corporate politicians.
http://sync.democraticunderground.com/10025416709

Federal grants drive the militarization of police departments in America.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025383806

And then you get this:


And this:


And this:


Quite a few of the Occupy violence pics I used to use regularly now I cannot find anywhere on the internet; if I could, I'd put them here, too. The elderly woman tear-gassed, the mobs of jackbooted storm troopers surrounding a few people on a blanket...

And, meanwhile, out in the community, the militarized police are starting to terrorize ordinary citizens, mostly the impoverished and voiceless ones. But the corporate-controlled federal government keeps sending the hardware and the storm trooper uniforms, even encouraging it with grants, and they refuse to keep records on how many citizens have been murdered. How many were there this week?

"What I've Learned from Two Years Collecting Data on Police Killings...
...I'm convinced to my core: The lack of such a database is intentional."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025429276

Twenty-Three People Killed by American Police in the Span of One Week
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025593137

We're all suspects, potential terrorists now. and the mechanisms are in place to ensure that any dissent that begins to bubble up can be handled and eliminated before it materializes in any serious way.

The truth is that we don't know what dissent may have already been cut off at the root, because of the elaborate, secret, unaccountable system that has been put into place. We know that the president has sought the power to lie in response to Freedom of Information requests. We know that data collected from NSA spying has been used to imprison Americans using false evidence trails. We know that the CIA can spy on the Senate Intelligence Committee with impunity and nothing is done about it, and that Clapper can lie to Congress and the Department of Justice can lie to the Supreme Court about spying and nothing is done. These are just the things we know.

DEA Manuals Show Feds Use NSA Spy Data, Train Cops to Construct False Chains of Evidence
http://sync.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4507611

Obama Admin Seeks Permission TO LIE In Response To Freedom of Information Requests - Even To The COURTS
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x2185303

DOJ lied to Supreme Court about domestic surveillance
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140514/06214727229/doj-still-trying-to-hide-fact-it-flat-out-lied-to-supreme-court-about-domestic-surveillance.shtml

The sensible woodchucks keep telling us that someone has to be actively involved in VERY SERIOUS TERRORISM against the United States of America in order for our government to start throwing *that* word around, or showing an interest in us. But we are all surveilled, and the methods for it keep expanding. If you think about it, it's GOOD for corporate control to have people posting dissent on the internet. It helps you know whom to watch. Voiced dissent is USEFUL as long as it doesn't lead to anything...you know, serious. Our corporate government is keeping an eye on us.


OKC protestors slapped with terrorism charges
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024175848

A Nation of "Suspects"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x5011487
http://www.truth-out.org/nation-suspects/1314810046

American Protesters Declared Enemy for Weapons Testing Purposes; Rules of Engagement
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2132808#2139011

DoD Training Manual: Protests are "Low-Level Terrorism"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/100227662

Ridiculous FBI list: You might be a domestic terrorist if...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1790765

Doctors asked to identify potential terrorists under government plans
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=1261120&mesg_id=1261120

Do You Like Online Privacy? You May Be a Terrorist
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002257966

Top US counterterrorism official: drone critics are Al Qaeda enablers
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002279862

"Arrogant complaining about airport security is one indicator Transportation Security Administration officers consider when looking for possible criminals and terrorists"
http://www.cnn.com/2011/TRAVEL/04/15/tsa.screeners.complain/

N.S.A. Examines Social Networks of U.S. Citizens (Decision Made In Secret, in 2010)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014605329




Now, tell me.

Why would the corporatists who have purchased into our government and rely on its reputation as the beacon of freedom and democracy for the world, use such heavy-handed and politically damaging tactics as shutting down the internet or ostentatiously lining up protesters to shoot them in the streets, when they have already put into place and legalized this elegant system to control dissent?

Yeah, I'm typing on the internet. That PROVES we're free.


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Thank you for this important OP.







14 Defining Characteristics of Fascism (http://www.rense.com/general37/char.htm) blkmusclmachine Feb 2015 #1
13 out of 14 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #4
It's already happening... haikugal Feb 2015 #10
How about the fundamentalist control of the Air Force Academy? Jackpine Radical Feb 2015 #66
Only Idiots And Fools billhicks76 Feb 2015 #67
Those "free speech zones" were only a hint of what was to come. Enthusiast Feb 2015 #129
Hillary's Prayer and The Fellowship Octafish Feb 2015 #103
They are working on that last one, day and night. Enthusiast Feb 2015 #128
It is 14 out of 14, the first step is to define realized what religion is being intertwined happyslug Feb 2015 #160
Good job... you just described every year in our lifetimes... bobclark86 Feb 2015 #65
But to this degree and such highly sophisticated organization against democracy for ALL? lexington filly Feb 2015 #79
Might not have the tech, but "nihil novi sub sole." bobclark86 Feb 2015 #82
I'm in complete agreement. SamKnause Feb 2015 #2
At some point, the pendulum will begin to swing away from this practice toward equality for all. Dont call me Shirley Feb 2015 #3
Me too, pretty much 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #6
I consider it the most sane of woowoo notion that at some point a critical mass of sanity triggers Dont call me Shirley Feb 2015 #13
That too. 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #15
Mine has been a slow awakening. LOL! Dont call me Shirley Feb 2015 #25
i hope that eventually a switch will be thrown in the unconscious mind of everyone. TimeToEvolve Feb 2015 #60
To further the notion, we are living in Interesting Times because Hestia Feb 2015 #137
Ever read THE PIT & THE PENDULUM? Yes, the pendulum swings, for us. HereSince1628 Feb 2015 #7
Yes and I have been in the blackness of eternal night, and I made it through. Dont call me Shirley Feb 2015 #24
The phrase actually comes from Hermeticism - A swing to the right is a swing to the left Hestia Feb 2015 #138
Interesting, but the pendulum I referred to is meant to cut victims in half HereSince1628 Feb 2015 #162
Oh, yuck...;) Hestia Feb 2015 #166
Same thoughts here, Dont. Though I have read of many Jews in Germany who japple Feb 2015 #69
The Pendulum Only Moves in One Direction AndyTiedye Feb 2015 #97
I said that during the Reagan administration . . . . . . annabanana Feb 2015 #143
but when it swings back, it won't be pretty. Javaman Feb 2015 #149
The big picture ..... Faryn Balyncd Feb 2015 #5
Thank you. nt 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #8
Well said and I completely agree... haikugal Feb 2015 #9
Nothing has been criminalized that has not gone through the legislature treestar Feb 2015 #11
Yes. On that we agree. 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #16
Here's Naomi Wolf's prescient views from 2007: Faryn Balyncd Feb 2015 #12
I remember that - Naomi nails it. 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #22
Yup! When I saw the beatdown of Occupy and the neo-military response to Furgoson OffWithTheirHeads Feb 2015 #14
Dissent = Terrorism 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #17
... OilemFirchen Feb 2015 #36
Well that's certainly cheery! WillowTree Feb 2015 #18
LOL 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #19
Thank YOU so much, for understanding my intent. WillowTree Feb 2015 #23
Brightened my day! We still got Obama, the White House, all the good States, and all the good ideas. Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #30
A REAL Democrat tried to warn us in 1976. Octafish Feb 2015 #20
I remember the Church Committee's good work 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #27
Daniel Schorr was fired by CBS over the Richard Welch case too .. MinM Feb 2015 #73
Octafish, the second-to-last link navarth Feb 2015 #74
From DU2: The people who tried to overthrow FDR in 1933 had kids. Octafish Feb 2015 #77
great thread. thanks. navarth Feb 2015 #87
+1 an entire shit load. Enthusiast Feb 2015 #131
Kick and Rec for TRUTH. nt hifiguy Feb 2015 #21
oh pleeeez...you insult people being persecuted around the world by using this term for the USA. uhnope Feb 2015 #26
The USA is catching up at light-speed, to N. Korea and China. 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #29
you're really in tinfoil hat department there uhnope Feb 2015 #31
Nice try 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #37
words have meaning. You undermine the fight for human rights when you uhnope Feb 2015 #41
I don't know about your "fight for human rights" 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #47
read post #46. Your view is one-sided and a bit silly. uhnope Feb 2015 #50
Please see post #53 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #57
+1 an entire shit load. Enthusiast Feb 2015 #132
You should zip it and think about it... StoneCarver Feb 2015 #102
When younger, I would NEVER have believed the USA could EVER sink to 46th in press freedom Faryn Balyncd Feb 2015 #54
+10000 And..The United States has the largest prison population in the world, woo me with science Feb 2015 #100
"Almost 12 million people cycle through local jails each year" damnedifIknow Feb 2015 #140
PLUS ONE, a whole bunch! Enthusiast Feb 2015 #133
an interesting we don't have it as bad approach... Kalidurga Feb 2015 #32
Did you participate in Occupy Wall Street or visit any of their sites? JDPriestly Feb 2015 #62
I agree with and know about everything in your excellent post uhnope Feb 2015 #70
I think we are on the edge but we can pull back from it. JDPriestly Feb 2015 #107
The Countries You Mentioned Have Lower Incarceration Rates Than the USA AndyTiedye Feb 2015 #98
"I mean some people who claim to be poor even have microwave ovens and TVs..." Fox News whereisjustice Feb 2015 #112
This message was self-deleted by its author whereisjustice Feb 2015 #113
Nice! Enthusiast Feb 2015 #134
From a while back, but interesting, nonetheless. CrispyQ Feb 2015 #28
Wow, yes. 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #33
and can you tell us who in the USA has been arrested for "freethinking"? uhnope Feb 2015 #34
They love the Internet & are collecting data on all of us. CrispyQ Feb 2015 #39
I see. So the police will bust down the doors of the freethinkers when? uhnope Feb 2015 #42
That's silly 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #43
Sascha Cohen said it best at the end of "The Dictator": Initech Feb 2015 #35
K&R! TeamPooka Feb 2015 #38
We lost this game a long time ago. The two minute warning was when we let the Supreme Court world wide wally Feb 2015 #40
That ushered in the "watch what you say" era. JEB Feb 2015 #71
PLUS ONE, a huge bunch! Enthusiast Feb 2015 #135
I'm not sure there was a ever a golden age in America's past, cheapdate Feb 2015 #44
The Age of Privacy Cryptoad Feb 2015 #45
I think your first paragraph could use more detail because as I read about the last 40 years being Bluenorthwest Feb 2015 #46
yes. The INCREASE in freedoms in the USA in last 40 years doesn't fit into the narrative uhnope Feb 2015 #52
Thanks for your thoughtful post 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #53
I see. So there's a plan by the "The Oligarchs" to fool us by giving us some freedom uhnope Feb 2015 #59
First the came for the poor, 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #63
Are you aware that you are quoting from the Holocaust and Nazi Germany? uhnope Feb 2015 #64
You misrepresent my point 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #76
Please don't put words in my mouth 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #156
You demean the years of struggle against your straight culture that produced the progress in Bluenorthwest Feb 2015 #91
What is it about 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #94
I think the fact that you feel you can characterize me with impunity suggests a lack of equity in Bluenorthwest Feb 2015 #141
You act like LGBT is the ONLY issue anyone should care about 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #150
This message was self-deleted by its author 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #95
What specifically leads you to believe that gay rights was a "carrot" developed by oligarchs? LanternWaste Feb 2015 #144
I'm not wedded to that point of view. 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #155
I wish I could talk you down from it. zeemike Feb 2015 #48
and how does this supposed Police State USA compare to actual police states in... uhnope Feb 2015 #55
I refer you to post 53 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #58
The OP has already answered the question. zeemike Feb 2015 #101
Asking questions in lieu of presenting an actual counter argument seems to indicate rhett o rick Feb 2015 #145
police reform is of the utmost importance IMO but reform is stalled by yahoos yelling "police state" uhnope Feb 2015 #147
.. questionseverything Feb 2015 #153
Kevin Gosztola is a joke and any program on RT is compromised uhnope Feb 2015 #154
dif source same info questionseverything Feb 2015 #158
thanks! yes I heard about that a while ago, it's insane uhnope Feb 2015 #159
so the police power is centralized (dea=feds) questionseverything Feb 2015 #161
Non criminal citations become increasingly criminalized bluestateguy Feb 2015 #49
Thousands of Occupy beat up and arrested Ramses Feb 2015 #51
Huge, huge K&R. Of course you are correct, woo me with science Feb 2015 #56
And the legitimization of corporate theft from the people's coffers erronis Feb 2015 #61
OK, you may be conflating a number of issues, hyperbalizing things and calling up a mythical past. pinto Feb 2015 #68
I realize that can be accused of "conflating issues" 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #83
See your point. pinto Feb 2015 #85
Thanks for that. 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #86
the only stickler in the argument is the guns grasswire Feb 2015 #72
Good point you make. 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #78
a gun grab could follow a false flag attack grasswire Feb 2015 #81
The answer is two fold. "Can it be a true police state whil citizenry are armed?" rhett o rick Feb 2015 #146
They've criminalized normal childhood play. TransitJohn Feb 2015 #75
Yes, a police state is being constructed around us: woo me with science Feb 2015 #80
And thank YOU. 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #92
You have outdone yourself, Woo Oilwellian Feb 2015 #120
Bravo! A brilliant post, on a supremely important thread! nt GliderGuider Feb 2015 #130
Outstanding post. CrispyQ Feb 2015 #139
Wait a minute obxhead Feb 2015 #84
I don't necessarily blame Obama 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #88
Of course we're living in a police state, and only fools and enabler deny it. Scuba Feb 2015 #89
Read the responses, your post is absolutely spot on but... guillaumeb Feb 2015 #90
Labor history is a really fascinating subject 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #99
Oh please, here in the U.S.A.... hunter Feb 2015 #93
Yes. And when we are NOT ineffectual (see OWS, Ferguson) 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #96
+1 whereisjustice Feb 2015 #117
people of color have been criminalzed? Huh? (nt) PosterChild Feb 2015 #104
Have you heard of "Driving while black"? 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #106
investigative journalists have beeen criminalized? PosterChild Feb 2015 #105
Just to name a few. 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #108
Judith Miller.... PosterChild Feb 2015 #163
And it happened under BOTH parties. cui bono Feb 2015 #109
Sshh. 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #110
And we're Ready for Hillary to save the rich... whereisjustice Feb 2015 #116
K&R demigoddess Feb 2015 #111
What bugs me the most daredtowork Feb 2015 #114
Excellent post, the rich are funding a police state to stifle dissent as they steal whereisjustice Feb 2015 #115
Thank you. 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #121
The fact this post stays up, and DU actually exists, speaks against the idea of a police state. Drunken Irishman Feb 2015 #118
Yes DU exists ... Until it doesn't 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #124
Yes. I think it invalidates your point. Drunken Irishman Feb 2015 #125
Armed officers appearing at people's residences over building code enforcement aint_no_life_nowhere Feb 2015 #119
It is exactly what you suspect. defacto7 Feb 2015 #122
Kick and R. BeanMusical Feb 2015 #123
This is why we need to fight back by.... blackbart99 Feb 2015 #126
K&R! This post should have hundreds of recommendations! Enthusiast Feb 2015 #127
We have Madmiddle Feb 2015 #136
A slowly boiled frog doesn't get it until he's dead, at which point, he's oblivious. merrily Feb 2015 #142
I would only correct one thing... Javaman Feb 2015 #148
it was OK City that really opened my eyes. grasswire Feb 2015 #152
also criminalized are certain aspects of family law grasswire Feb 2015 #151
Thanks for adding that to the mix 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #157
kick woo me with science Feb 2015 #164
kick woo me with science Feb 2015 #165
K&R raouldukelives Feb 2015 #167
kick woo me with science Feb 2015 #168
You might want to re-think your "investigative journalists" with the benefit of hindsight Blue_Tires Jan 2018 #169
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