Vaccination is a process with COLLECTIVE benefits.

[DanTex]

65. Again, missing the point, and dodging questions. Not looking good for you.

I'm not the one calling people "idiots" for refusing vaccination. Or for taking vaccination. Like I said, it's a close call.

The thing is, the only way to rationally defend the decision to vaccinate based only on personal benefit is if MMR has a risk of less than a million to one. This is because the risk of dying from measles if you don't vaccinate are about a million to one -- this part of my OP hasn't been challenged. So that's the baseline. The question is, what are the risks of the other decision.

Well, one thing to do, is look at the best data available, flawed as it may be. It might over-estimate, it might underestimate, but at least it's something. But you are insisting that, because the data is flawed, we should just assume the risk is zero!

Since you didn't respond to my request for evidence, let's just assume you have none. So, you think someone is an idiot because they are willing to take a one in a million risk of someday dying of measles, but you don't think anything at all of the risk of injecting a vaccine for which you believe there is no solid data about it's riskiness. And, more staggeringly, you think that the very fact that we don't know the risks exactly, you think this actually supports your case! Ignorance is bliss, is what it boils down to.