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Middle class decline looms over final years of Obama presidency [View all] ND-Dem Feb 2015 OP

"But it could have been worse!" MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #1

not for me, unfortunately. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #2

Sorry to hear that! MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #4

But the decline started way before Obama came into the picture. Try the Reagan years for starters. kelliekat44 Feb 2015 #17

THANK YOU. After the first oil shock, or thereabouts. nt raccoon Feb 2015 #28

I agree for the most part JonLP24 Feb 2015 #33

when money talks guillaumeb Feb 2015 #153

"and we're gonna make sure it does": the Third Way policy once they're in office MisterP Feb 2015 #23

Yeah, they can just eat ramen noodles! ananda Feb 2015 #46

Ahhh . . . fyi everyone, this started with Reagan and trickle down and union busting . . . brush Feb 2015 #152

True quaker bill Feb 2015 #176

Decline? Try disappearance. Warpy Feb 2015 #3

I think this is the end game; wealth is moving out of the US to other places in the world. There's ND-Dem Feb 2015 #5

With recent developments, I'd say wealth is moving from other places to the US DFW Feb 2015 #6

I saw that NYT article, more of the same but huge increase in the last 6 years, due to record appalachiablue Feb 2015 #89

You may be right. JDPriestly Feb 2015 #8

Yes, global corporations have a global plan, woo me with science Feb 2015 #11

The new Greek government is inspiring in azmom Feb 2015 #39

+1000000000 woo me with science Feb 2015 #74

Still a few bites left on the carcass; bit gamy, but enough to inspire some economic "activity" hatrack Feb 2015 #32

"no political need" guillaumeb Feb 2015 #154

They know exactly what they've done, because it was the plan. woo me with science Feb 2015 #7

You stated that so succinctly: CrispyQ Feb 2015 #57

+10000000 American exceptionalism. woo me with science Feb 2015 #75

+100 appalachiablue Feb 2015 #88

put the blame where it belongs. reagan + destruction of the unions. tinkle down. pansypoo53219 Feb 2015 #9

We're deluding ourselves if we don't acknowledge the roles played Maedhros Feb 2015 #58

You are right. 840high Feb 2015 #162

What do you think the TPP will do to the middle class? nm rhett o rick Feb 2015 #104

I thought the middle class was already dead? YoungDemCA Feb 2015 #120

That's what happens when you replaced middle class jobs with walmart obxhead Feb 2015 #10

A service economy cannot work well. JDPriestly Feb 2015 #13

+1 What a scam. woo me with science Feb 2015 #14

Who robs life of its quality? Who renders rage a necessity Maedhros Feb 2015 #59

Powerful video. woo me with science Feb 2015 #76

Also from Bruce Cockburn, and appropriate to our situation: Maedhros Feb 2015 #163

+2 RiverLover Feb 2015 #20

It's going to take a 50% unemployment rate azmom Feb 2015 #40

Obama did that? Who knew? frazzled Feb 2015 #36

There have been many hits over the years. The difference during this admin is that, at least ND-Dem Feb 2015 #38

It didn't come back during ANY administration's term frazzled Feb 2015 #41

I think you're mistaken. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #45

Not so frazzled Feb 2015 #42

Do you want to post some data on that, as I have? I'm open to being convinced. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #48

Here are a few things to start with frazzled Feb 2015 #66

Your own link says median income continued to rise, despite people at the bottom losing ND-Dem Feb 2015 #81

When did GOP allow Obama's economic and tax policies to pass and replace Bush's? blm Feb 2015 #65

And the relevance to my post is? ND-Dem Feb 2015 #86

LOL - Forgot about GOP holding unemployment checks hostage, eh? blm Feb 2015 #149

huh? maybe if you presented some reference to what you're talking about. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #151

Dems didn't. GOP intransigence that protected Bush's economic and tax policies did. blm Feb 2015 #64

The "recovery" is an illusion of propaganda. woo me with science Feb 2015 #12

That 93% number you have circled in the bottom right GummyBearz Feb 2015 #15

LOL nt RiverLover Feb 2015 #21

The recovery worked just fine. For those for whom it was designed. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2015 #56

+100 appalachiablue Feb 2015 #90

+1000000000 woo me with science Feb 2015 #143

Just watched "Inside Job" on itunes flygal Feb 2015 #16

How was Obama supposed to make any changes the GOP didn't want? Bandit Feb 2015 #30

Yes edhopper Feb 2015 #47

But what is middle class? RazzleCat Feb 2015 #18

I think one hallmark of the 'middle class' is single wager earner households. elias49 Feb 2015 #19

the OP put it in bold for you Enrique Feb 2015 #69

The idea that Obama was a protector of American jobs should have died betterdemsonly Feb 2015 #22

Kick (n/t) SMC22307 Feb 2015 #24

kick woo me with science Feb 2015 #25

I think President Obama is a very nice person. NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #26

Exactly. laundry_queen Feb 2015 #27

I agree fredamae Feb 2015 #29

Middle class decline looms over 30 years of neo-liberal free trade conventional wisdom hatrack Feb 2015 #31

Let the truth be told. lonestarnot Feb 2015 #34

Bush-Cheney INTENDED to destroy middleclass and GOP congress protected their plan blm Feb 2015 #35

Exactly. That Obama was able to keep our economy from collapsing completely is a major achievement stevenleser Feb 2015 #43

Pinning the destruction of middle class on Obama's policies is utter Horseshit and blm Feb 2015 #159

I'm sure they did. Nevertheless, the article is factual. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #50

Article completely blames Obama for GOP's tactic of intransigence blm Feb 2015 #63

Indeed. GOP deliberately sabotaged recovery/etc as a political tactic emulatorloo Feb 2015 #78

It clearly doesn't do any such thing. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #85

HS - I have very clear recall of the way it all has REALLY been going down. blm Feb 2015 #158

i'm not a performer, so i'm not accustomed to an audience at all. i don't know what you're reading, ND-Dem Feb 2015 #164

So why repeatedly argue and post repug talking points if you know . . . brush Feb 2015 #165

1. I didn't 'argue' anything. 2. I didn't post any repug talking points. I posted a news article ND-Dem Feb 2015 #166

So your posts are what . . . to just blame Obama . . . brush Feb 2015 #167

Please point out the specific Obama-blaming in the articlem where it lays all the failures of the ND-Dem Feb 2015 #168

Oh please! Start with the title. nt brush Feb 2015 #169

There's no agency stated or implied in the title. "Storm looms over kansas" doesn't mean ND-Dem Feb 2015 #171

Not nearly the same. Come on, stop playing dumb. brush Feb 2015 #172

i'm not playing dumb. there's no blame in the title, explicit or implicit. nor in the article, if ND-Dem Feb 2015 #174

Oh, Hannah... SidDithers Feb 2015 #37

ROFL alcibiades_mystery Feb 2015 #44

Better Believe It MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #54

Yup. zappaman Feb 2015 #61

At least it's not the WSWS. nt msanthrope Feb 2015 #67

Good catch. I was wondering where this Hekate Feb 2015 #116

Translation: Hannah Bell doesn't want you to vote FSogol Feb 2015 #49

The 2nd iteration of Hannah Bell was banned as an homophobe... SidDithers Feb 2015 #60

Wonder what Amazon's Jeff Bezos thinks about that? FSogol Feb 2015 #62

Wasn't that based on RT article posted as an OP? One found easily by using the msanthrope Feb 2015 #68

Yup. That was the one... SidDithers Feb 2015 #70

Hmmm...22 recs. nt msanthrope Feb 2015 #71

Reply #72 was quite good in that thread. FSogol Feb 2015 #93

Haha, that was me! tammywammy Feb 2015 #144

I had forgotten about that. This person should not be allowed back on DU. stevenleser Feb 2015 #160

I agree...nt SidDithers Feb 2015 #161

There are almost always more than one path to achieve a goal. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2015 #51

The only reason the rich were paying more taxes is that the rest had less money. Percentage-wise, ND-Dem Feb 2015 #52

I know the economic mess started long before 2008, CrispyQ Feb 2015 #53

I agree. First order of business was bailing out the crooks who brought down the economy. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #55

Pemember, aspirant Feb 2015 #83

Hmm davidthegnome Feb 2015 #72

Thanks so much, and keep the faith! We have no babylonsister Feb 2015 #80

Hey David, nice to see you. CrispyQ Feb 2015 #87

"If it's going to be done, we have to do it." There I agree with you. And I have to say that ND-Dem Feb 2015 #97

kick woo me with science Feb 2015 #73

But Hillary!?!? Phlem Feb 2015 #77

The decline has been in motion for more than 30 years. cheapdate Feb 2015 #79

"Globalization" has been going on for centuries. It's not the reason for our current predicament, ND-Dem Feb 2015 #84

Wrong. moondust Feb 2015 #91

Jobs & raw materials have been being moved all over the planet for millenia. What do you think ND-Dem Feb 2015 #94

Not on a large scale. moondust Feb 2015 #103

on a very large scale. I think you don't know your history if you think imports weren't fueling ND-Dem Feb 2015 #105

... moondust Feb 2015 #109

I've read similar stuff. But there wasn't just *one* black death epidemic 1348-50; there were ND-Dem Feb 2015 #110

It has everything to with our current situation. cheapdate Feb 2015 #92

Massive amounts of capital have always moved across oceans, continents, and international ND-Dem Feb 2015 #96

Well, I don't think shipments of gold and silver from the New World cheapdate Feb 2015 #98

of course nothing is ever *exactly* the same and no one claimed it was. of course capital ND-Dem Feb 2015 #106

There's no comparison, Cheapdate and Moondust are correct on this. Your posts & positions appalachiablue Feb 2015 #108

It's *bubonic plague* or "black death." google "black plague" and see what you get. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #113

It believe that google uses Bu. Plague or Black Death. Eveyone knows it's the Bubonic Plague, but appalachiablue Feb 2015 #115

I got a bit confused there. I initially thought you were claiming black plague was the common ND-Dem Feb 2015 #117

It's ok, I don't think the Medieval Police or the Sforzas are watching. But the Borgias could appalachiablue Feb 2015 #127

but it wasn't the 'black plague'. it was the 'great plague'. (lol at the 'medieval police/sforza' ND-Dem Feb 2015 #129

It certainly was the Great Plague of London like the Great Fire of London, which provided appalachiablue Feb 2015 #137

This message was self-deleted by its author ND-Dem Feb 2015 #139

yes. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #140

Calling it moondust Feb 2015 #114

Not a problem, easy to do. And who the heck would think it wrong?! TC. appalachiablue Feb 2015 #121

Globalization has been going on for centuries The2ndWheel Feb 2015 #148

Foreign trade has been going on for centuries. moondust Feb 2015 #170

you don't remember when britain was the 'jobs and industry' leader before ww2? that was an even ND-Dem Feb 2015 #179

+100 appalachiablue Feb 2015 #107

Tim Geithner foamed the runway for the banksters starting in January 2009. Octafish Feb 2015 #82

My thought exactly...How did anyone think that having Geithner and Summers deutsey Feb 2015 #145

K&R! K&R! K&R! K&R! Phlem Feb 2015 #95

Let's not forget that this has been going on for 35 years n/t eridani Feb 2015 #99

what has? families in the middle of the income distribution have been earning less since 1979? ND-Dem Feb 2015 #100

Reaganomics laid the groundwork. There was a lot of flatlining before the decline n/t eridani Feb 2015 #101

did you look at the chart? specifically, at the yellow historical median family income line? ND-Dem Feb 2015 #102

If median income goes up by 13% from 1980 to now, but food and gas are double, minimum eridani Feb 2015 #111

That's all in 2012 dollars. Which takes care of your objections, more or less. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #112

No, it does not. Expenses have increased dramatically in REAL terms n/t eridani Feb 2015 #131

that's why they used 2012 dollars. those are 'real' terms; IOW, the dollars being compared ND-Dem Feb 2015 #132

You don't seem to be seeing the difference between income and expenditures eridani Feb 2015 #134

I believe I used MEDIAN income. Can you link me to what you're referring to? ND-Dem Feb 2015 #135

It's in your own graph reference. And if you really want to be honest, the eridani Feb 2015 #136

The title of the chart is: "Real Mean and Median Income, Families and Individuals, 1947-2012..." ND-Dem Feb 2015 #138

Obama is not a miracle worker YoungDemCA Feb 2015 #118

is there somewhere in the article anyone claimed obama caused anything? ND-Dem Feb 2015 #119

Obama's Presidency has been a net positive for the vast majority of Americans YoungDemCA Feb 2015 #122

is there somewhere the article claims obama caused anything? ND-Dem Feb 2015 #124

Don't be coy. YoungDemCA Feb 2015 #126

i'm not being coy. it's a serious question. the article doesn't say or imply that obama ND-Dem Feb 2015 #141

The headline sure does treestar Feb 2015 #147

No, it doesn't. The headline refers to the Obama presidency because wages & net worth are lower ND-Dem Feb 2015 #150

Ronald. Reagan. Good grief, the amnesia is incedible. Hekate Feb 2015 #123

not seeing the reagan reference. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #125

Uh huh. It's only been pointed out a dozen times already in this thread. nt Hekate Feb 2015 #128

i don;'t see that either. can you link me? ND-Dem Feb 2015 #130

Poor you just wants to pick a fight, and I don't want to play along. Read your own thread. nt Hekate Feb 2015 #133

i'm not trying to pick a fight. i don't see the reagan reference, in the article or in the thread. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #142

Racist Ronnie Reagan guillaumeb Feb 2015 #155

reagan left office 26 years ago. his presidency may have been the "beginning of the pushback", ND-Dem Feb 2015 #175

Reagan was a figurehead guillaumeb Feb 2015 #178

Ronald Reagan, his Supply Side Republicans, their Union busting, middle class gutting piracy is Bluenorthwest Feb 2015 #146

And you think the middleclass would do better under Republicans Stargazer99 Feb 2015 #156

I do? I think that? Where did you get that information? ND-Dem Feb 2015 #157

I Believe In Hillary! I Believe She Can Finish The Job! Katashi_itto Feb 2015 #173

I just found out that I am being laid off. smirkymonkey Feb 2015 #177

I'm sorry to hear that. I hope you find something relatively comparable. My best wishes to ND-Dem Feb 2015 #180

Thank you so much ND-Dem! smirkymonkey Feb 2015 #181