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In reply to the discussion: Is the whole Brain Williams kerfuffle a warm up [View all]GGJohn
(9,951 posts)46. At least Brian Williams' helicopter group took some actual fire?
No, it didn't.
http://money.cnn.com/2015/02/06/media/stelter-iraq-pilots/
"Simeone and Kelly said only two helicopters were in their group, from Company B of the 159th Aviation. They said Krell was piloting the first helicopter. Simeone and Kelly were pilots on the second Chinook, and Miller was in their crew."
The paper continued: "All three said Williams was riding with them, not with Krell. They all said neither bird took fire at any time that day."
The paper continued: "All three said Williams was riding with them, not with Krell. They all said neither bird took fire at any time that day."
Now even Krell is backing away from his story.
The pilot I interviewed on Thursday about Brian Williams is no longer standing by his story.
That pilot, Rich Krell, told me he was flying the helicopter Williams was on in Iraq -- an account now contradicted by several other soldiers.
On Friday morning, Krell told me that "the information I gave you was true based on my memories, but at this point I am questioning my memories
That pilot, Rich Krell, told me he was flying the helicopter Williams was on in Iraq -- an account now contradicted by several other soldiers.
On Friday morning, Krell told me that "the information I gave you was true based on my memories, but at this point I am questioning my memories
More on why they landed.
http://pagesix.com/2015/02/05/pilot-of-brian-williams-flight-all-that-hit-us-was-dust/
Pilot of Brian Williams flight: All that hit us was dust
I was the pilot in command of the flight that carried Brian Williams into Iraq in March 2003.
The mission was to deliver bridges to the Objective Rams region in order to support our ground-force advancement. We were briefed that we would be operating forward of the line of troops and that the objective was unsecure.
We were a flight of two, and I was the rear aircraft. Our flight to Objective Rams was uneventful, with the exception of a desert dust storm that caused deteriorating conditions not suitable for flight.
We determined that we would not make it back to Kuwait as planned. When we arrived at Objective Rams, we found a US armor unit on the objective. There was also a CH-47 from the Big Windy unit out of Germany.
The CH-47 was already shut down, and the entire crew was no longer at the aircraft. We dropped off the bridges and landed next to the parked CH-47 and the Bradley Fighting Vehicles due to the weather.
I was the pilot in command of the flight that carried Brian Williams into Iraq in March 2003.
The mission was to deliver bridges to the Objective Rams region in order to support our ground-force advancement. We were briefed that we would be operating forward of the line of troops and that the objective was unsecure.
We were a flight of two, and I was the rear aircraft. Our flight to Objective Rams was uneventful, with the exception of a desert dust storm that caused deteriorating conditions not suitable for flight.
We determined that we would not make it back to Kuwait as planned. When we arrived at Objective Rams, we found a US armor unit on the objective. There was also a CH-47 from the Big Windy unit out of Germany.
The CH-47 was already shut down, and the entire crew was no longer at the aircraft. We dropped off the bridges and landed next to the parked CH-47 and the Bradley Fighting Vehicles due to the weather.
They didn't land because of any battle damage, they landed because of bad weather and, they landed among a US armored unit, so they were relatively safe for the night.
Nope, Brian Williams flat out lied about his bird, or any bird in the formation he was in, taking any hostile ground fire.
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I would like to see the "Fairness Doctrine" reinstated or "Truth in Journalism" laws. nt
TheBlackAdder
Feb 2015
#32
Yep. She voted to invade Iraq for no legitimate reason. That is war crime of 'aggression'.
on point
Feb 2015
#12
Nah, but if he won the R primary and ran against Hillary...i wonder what people would do
NoJusticeNoPeace
Feb 2015
#62
Plenty of time to ask that question when the Democratic nominee has become obvious.
merrily
Feb 2015
#64
Joe McCarthy, is that you? Actually, it's never the right time for message board loyalty oaths.
merrily
Feb 2015
#66
I knew at the time the war was a fraud. She has no excuse at all and I won't cut her slack.
on point
Feb 2015
#34
And no cost in blood and treasure to the US was too great when it came to her personal ambition.
merrily
Feb 2015
#58
She did not only vote for the Iraq invasion. She stood up in the Senate with her bare face
merrily
Feb 2015
#53
Who knows...I want to know if Bernie is going to switch parties, run, to move her to the left
NoJusticeNoPeace
Feb 2015
#3
The only thing we dont know is what will the libertarian Hillary haters
NoJusticeNoPeace
Feb 2015
#7
You can say that again. I'm bettin Hillary ends up not runnin-would be a smart move on her part.
InAbLuEsTaTe
Feb 2015
#14
They can always throw their support to Bernie, who doesn't need to inflate his biography - awesome person that he is.
InAbLuEsTaTe
Feb 2015
#39
Shame on you bringing up Hillary lies. Now drink your Koolaid and get ready for HilLIARy.
InAbLuEsTaTe
Feb 2015
#16
Thanks AK for settin the record straight. I'd take Elizabeth's record of honesty & genuineness over HilLiarY's any day.
InAbLuEsTaTe
Feb 2015
#40
Agree, but the airport bit, important as it was, pales in comparison with her speech urging
merrily
Feb 2015
#59
True but lying about snipers is much easier to hammer on a commercial and is nonpartisan
TheKentuckian
Feb 2015
#71
Depends on the audience. I think more Democrats opposed her in 2008 for her speech and vote on the
merrily
Feb 2015
#74
If you were running against Clinton in a general election you wouldn't make sure it came up?
TheKentuckian
Feb 2015
#73
And if you can't trust the people who run your government to tell the truth...
Fumesucker
Feb 2015
#52
I think the two things are separate. Also, Ichingcarpenter posted the other day that he
merrily
Feb 2015
#70
Please stop being fearful of the Republicans. It's unbecoming of us Democrats.
DemocratSinceBirth
Feb 2015
#63