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In reply to the discussion: If you don't think we're already living in a police state, consider this. [View all]happyslug
(14,779 posts)Religion is more than a belief in God (or gods, or the belief that there is not god), it is how people see the world. It is what is "Good" and what is "Evil". Religion helps define who is one's friends who someone must help and who is an enemy who one need NOT help. I have seen "religious" atheists who do all they can to help they fellow man, and I have see "devout" Christians who would not go out of they way to avoid stepping on a man lying in the streets.
Fascism always tries to appear to be true to whatever is the existing dominate religion. Thus Mussolini (a known Atheist) did all he can to improve relations with the Vatican and even help built Rome to make the Vatican the center of the City of Rome. Not to be outdone, Stalin, another atheist, did his best to develop Communism into a Religion, but when he was under severe attacks by the Germans, embraced Orthodoxy (and after WWII, forced the Unities of the Ukraine to join with the Orthodox under his control).
Hitler outdid both by making the old Germanic Tales of the ancient Germanic Gods the bases of Nazisim. Hitler did try to bring Catholicism within the Nazi Orbit, but he knew he failed when Pius IX sent a letter in 1938 denouncing him and Nazism (and the subsequent attempts to kill Hitler, while ran and operated by Protestant members of the German Army, used the Catholic Church as their method to get word to the outside word AND to arrange for the coup).
What Mussolini Hitler and Stalin did was to try to developed a new religion, based on ancient Rome (Mussolini), pre christian Germany (Hitler) or Communism as preached by Marx (Stalin). All three were willing to corrupt that they embraced religions if would enhanced their power (i.e. Rome was First in Europe, the Germans defeated the corrupt and debased Romans, the Workers are on the March to the Worker's paradise) if such change would enhanced their power.
These were the religions these Fascists embraced (and Stalin was a Facist after he came to power in the late 1920s, even Mussolini called Stalin the Greatest Fascist is the age, yes the Communists kicked out the old middle class, but Stalin then installed a new Middle Class to govern the same industries and that New Middle Class, that New Bourgeoisie was his power base and the "Corporate" power in the old Soviet Union). They each had to tolerate Christianity, but they barely did that, while emphasising these non-christian religions.
Now, how is that being done in the US today? First the worship of "Greed is Good". That the best way to improve society is to ignore the poor, leave the weak die and grab all you can. This Religion of Greed is what you see Corporate America Embracing. It is the Religion American Fascists are embracing. It is the world view that the Fascists want America to embrace and become they true religion.
Does the Government stand up to Corporate American? Does the Government help the poor? Is it the job of Government to protect the poor? These are all ways to view the world and thus "Religion" and you see more and more of these concepts being intertwined. They tolerate traditional Christianity, for like Hitler, Mussolini and Stalin they know better to go directly after any religion that oppose what they want done. On the other hand, these Fascists already get people to reject traditional role of Government and to embrace that Government is NOT they to help the poor and other, but only to protect property rights. Christianity, Judaism, Islam and most other religions do NOT view property as the primary thing they need to protect, but it is the "Religion" of Corporate American and thus the Religion of the Fascists among us, and you see this religion and government becoming more and more intervene as time goes on.
The religion that is becoming intertwined with the Government is this radical protection of property, even if it means people die as a result of that radical protection of the ownership of property. I do not advocate elimination of the right to own property, but excess concentration of ownership of anything is bad for any society. Corporate America want this concept, this religion of protection of owning property, intertwined with Government and we are seeing it becoming more and more intertwined.
Thus Religion and Government are being intertwined, but it is the Religion of Property NOT Christianity and that is why we are not seeing it.