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Dorian Gray

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29. I believe that her reaction

Mon Feb 9, 2015, 04:56 PM

Feb 2015

was mostly superficial, though I do believe it would be difficult for a woman or man married to someone who held a secret about their identity like that.

I understand why he did. It's a difficult thing to come to terms with in our society. I am glad that we are learning more about the trans-community, and I am pleased to see that people are starting to be respected rather than denigrated. But Bruce Jenner was an athlete. He rose to fame in the 80s. I can see why this is difficult for him. I can also see why it would be difficult for his spouse.

But here we have a case where the spouse is an unlikable fame-whore who sold out her entire family to make a buck. That's got to make the whole thing more complicated.

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Kris Jenner Trans- Shamed Bruce Jenner For Years After Finding Him Wearing Her Dresses [View all] big_dog Feb 2015 OP

Well, so much for the whole she was "shocked, shocked" and "had no idea" meme she's been shopping. MADem Feb 2015 #1

it won the Golden Globe this year, right? big_dog Feb 2015 #3

Astounding series--first rate acting, it has that wry, quirky, but not-overdone funniness to it, and MADem Feb 2015 #32

I am no fan of Kris Jenner. However, the time to reveal a penchant for cross dressing is before you merrily Feb 2015 #2

Agreed (and yes, cross-dressing and transgender are separate issues) frazzled Feb 2015 #11

It has nothing to do with being supportive of members of the GLBT community. Few things have merrily Feb 2015 #13

I agree Dorian Gray Feb 2015 #30

I also have a friend currently transitioning (f to m), of which I am very supportive. KamaAina Feb 2015 #40

I agree 100%. crim son Feb 2015 #26

They were married for 22 years I think. HappyMe Feb 2015 #28

And Bruck couldn't? get the red out Feb 2015 #53

She was the one that was so damn ashamed. HappyMe Feb 2015 #55

I am not excusing her behavior get the red out Feb 2015 #57

I'm just asking, maybe he didn't lie about anything after her first catching him in a dress? polly7 Feb 2015 #60

In the end get the red out Feb 2015 #62

You're right, and it's none of my business - I couldn't care less if I even knew who polly7 Feb 2015 #63

They do like to make it everybody's business get the red out Feb 2015 #73

I am not entirely sure that he lied to her. HappyMe Feb 2015 #65

Apparently he didn't have any choice in the matter? LisaL Feb 2015 #91

Or maybe the "right thing" would have been for him to be honest before entering his third marriage. pnwmom Feb 2015 #104

And, as a man over 40 when he married her, he was old enough to know himself well pnwmom Feb 2015 #98

Wow. Have you spent anytime really talking to any trans* individual? Ms. Toad Feb 2015 #41

+infinity (nt) LostOne4Ever Feb 2015 #44

I've spent time talking to gay people, straight people whom gay people married without disclosure merrily Feb 2015 #48

It is really not as simple as just concealing the truth. Ms. Toad Feb 2015 #67

I posted about failure to disclose material info to a prospective spouse or conception partner. merrily Feb 2015 #83

Your words: "if someone feels they cannot disclose the truth" Ms. Toad Feb 2015 #92

Exactly. Disclosure. Failing to disclose does not equal lying. merrily Feb 2015 #93

My point is there may be no material information to disclose. Ms. Toad Feb 2015 #94

And you're assuming that he lived intimately with at least two other women (his other wives) pnwmom Feb 2015 #103

I am assuming nothing about him, specifically. Ms. Toad Feb 2015 #115

I've only known one couple like this. pnwmom Feb 2015 #120

You still have assumptions in there that Jenner has not yet shared. Ms. Toad Feb 2015 #126

If a woman is wearing her husband's clothing to look like a man TexasMommaWithAHat Feb 2015 #128

You are presuming you understand the motivation. Ms. Toad Feb 2015 #133

If a guy is wearing a wig and makeup, he's a cross dresser TexasMommaWithAHat Feb 2015 #135

Or he likes the way he looks and feels in make-up. Ms. Toad Feb 2015 #138

sigh TexasMommaWithAHat Feb 2015 #139

Now you've added even more to the scenario under discussion. Ms. Toad Feb 2015 #143

I replied to a message on this board that referenced "cross dressing" TexasMommaWithAHat Feb 2015 #144

I agree. Of course, you cannot disclose what you genuinely do not know. merrily Feb 2015 #109

I think it might have been that simple. pnwmom Feb 2015 #102

It isn't the details of his marriage that are at issue here. Ms. Toad Feb 2015 #114

Hints at what? That the process took place over a long period of time? n/t pnwmom Feb 2015 #122

There is nothing in the reports I have seen about Jenner Ms. Toad Feb 2015 #125

You are right, of course. We don't know. pnwmom Feb 2015 #127

It is not that I am guessing another thing. Ms. Toad Feb 2015 #134

And I guess I'm seeing it more from the unknowing spouse's point of view pnwmom Feb 2015 #136

Again - my entire point is that both parties may be unknowing. Ms. Toad Feb 2015 #137

As the daughter of a gay father and straight mother, I agree. pnwmom Feb 2015 #101

I think that will happen a lot less, maybe end, now that people are feeling freer and freer merrily Feb 2015 #108

I do, too. And that's what I tell conservatives who are still against same sex marriage. pnwmom Feb 2015 #111

Everyone is better off when all people can flourish. merrily Feb 2015 #112

Wow, that really is a brilliant observation, merrily. Thanks. closeupready Feb 2015 #116

Aw, thanks, closeupready. Made me blush, you did. merrily Feb 2015 #117

But he was over 40 when he married her -- old enough, I think, to realize pnwmom Feb 2015 #99

Not necessarily. Ms. Toad Feb 2015 #113

I'm not thinking he would know based on prior sexual experience with women. pnwmom Feb 2015 #123

I feel the same get the red out Feb 2015 #56

I applaud Bruce Jenner damnedifIknow Feb 2015 #66

Too bad he didn't live it... Ino Feb 2015 #79

Wow. joshcryer Feb 2015 #95

I agree. The same with being gay. You don't conceal this from a future spouse, pnwmom Feb 2015 #97

"The source" is busy these days. Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #4

She can't have been surprised ... Myrina Feb 2015 #5

Because an ex wife never lies? merrily Feb 2015 #49

No, because all of the families in that clique were tight as the thieves they are ... Myrina Feb 2015 #81

Who beside Jenner's wife had first hand knowledge, though? And we don't even know if she merrily Feb 2015 #82

Yes, cross-dresser men aren't necessarily transgender. LisaL Feb 2015 #90

Now I know why Brody hated Kris. muntrv Feb 2015 #6

Kris had been a fame whore for years before the OJ trials big_dog Feb 2015 #7

Who is Brody ? obnoxiousdrunk Feb 2015 #8

Bruces son from an earlier marriage big_dog Feb 2015 #9

Quite a while ago I watched their show on E ocassionally. HappyMe Feb 2015 #10

Kris is out for her and her younger daughters only big_dog Feb 2015 #12

AFAIK, she is still their manager. merrily Feb 2015 #14

at least Kris hasn't destroyed Kendall's career as a model yet big_dog Feb 2015 #16

Funny you should mention that. merrily Feb 2015 #17

I cannot believe Kendall is the new face of Chanel 2015, are they really that desperate? big_dog Feb 2015 #19

Obviously I watch/listen to too much TV. However, I have heard designers say merrily Feb 2015 #22

She is SO plain. Almost horse-y looking. closeupready Feb 2015 #34

And I'm sure you look like a supermodel. Brigid Feb 2015 #69

I may or may not, but I don't pretend to be; this one does, though closeupready Feb 2015 #70

to you. A particular opinion I imagine, the industry finds irrelevant LanternWaste Feb 2015 #71

Great. Another member took ME to task for expressing my opinion. closeupready Feb 2015 #77

Be all that as it may . . . Brigid Feb 2015 #74

Okay, thanks, Ms. English major. Done here. Peace. closeupready Feb 2015 #78

Okay to call McCain gramps though right? snooper2 Feb 2015 #84

This young lady did nothing more than appear in a magazine ad. Brigid Feb 2015 #85

Which is a good thing. It shows that even "average looks" = beautiful. alp227 Feb 2015 #129

that was my take as well Kendall is just so AVERAGE big_dog Feb 2015 #76

I personally wouldn't mind looking that "plain." LisaL Feb 2015 #88

Seriously. They are really slumming it. smirkymonkey Feb 2015 #140

Trashy people. nt cwydro Feb 2015 #15

Anybody got any pictures of this circus troupe? TheCowsCameHome Feb 2015 #18

they alway do an x-mas card, probably for $$ big_dog Feb 2015 #20

Thanks, it looks like TheCowsCameHome Feb 2015 #21

I don't know them all, but I'll try Orangepeel Feb 2015 #59

I'm late to this thread. Is that the Addams Family? truebluegreen Feb 2015 #23

Exactly. n/t lumberjack_jeff Feb 2015 #24

No... NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #25

Well, to be fair, they are mysterious and spooky... Initech Feb 2015 #27

You are right: Dark Shadows is a better fit, truebluegreen Feb 2015 #119

I stand corrected. Initech Feb 2015 #121

That was my first thought as well! Owl Feb 2015 #118

Good gods who dresses those people? DeadLetterOffice Feb 2015 #31

The Adams Family's tailor? Or the costume designer from True Blood? Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2015 #38

Good Lord NT Ex Lurker Feb 2015 #33

How I loathe Kris Jenner. closeupready Feb 2015 #36

Looks like an ad for Cosmetic surgery... Ilsa Feb 2015 #39

What a bunch of assholes. So much ego and pretension. nt stillwaiting Feb 2015 #52

Oh god, that's horrifying. smirkymonkey Feb 2015 #141

I believe that her reaction Dorian Gray Feb 2015 #29

Thank you.. whathehell Feb 2015 #35

How is one supposed to react after finding out your husband believes he is a woman? LisaL Feb 2015 #37

It seems just as odd to me that anybody would be upset about it. MadrasT Feb 2015 #42

Why get the red out Feb 2015 #61

Exactly.. whathehell Feb 2015 #107

Then maybe your attraction is more fluid than many folks TexasMommaWithAHat Feb 2015 #131

Maybe accept her for who she is- a loved one? (nt) LostOne4Ever Feb 2015 #45

I would imagine that the reaction should have HappyMe Feb 2015 #54

She did have a bunch of kids before she married Jenner. LisaL Feb 2015 #87

Thank you as well.. whathehell Feb 2015 #58

That's certainly an understandable reaction. joshcryer Feb 2015 #96

Why didn't she divorce him if she was so shamed? polly7 Feb 2015 #43

Why didn't he divorce her? LisaL Feb 2015 #89

Have you considered the possibility he was trying to fight any feelings he had polly7 Feb 2015 #100

Has Bruce Jenner confirmed this yet? (nt) LostOne4Ever Feb 2015 #46

I am proud to say tavernier Feb 2015 #47

At His Size and Frame. . . ProfessorGAC Feb 2015 #50

I was thinking the same thing jmowreader Feb 2015 #75

Good point. Maybe this "insider" is just a friend trying to do him a favor. n/t pnwmom Feb 2015 #105

This is radaronline melman Feb 2015 #51

"hurt the Kardashian empire" -- a media frenzy about an Olympic athlete having a sex change fits GreatGazoo Feb 2015 #64

The hubris of Kris is pretty impressive Major Nikon Feb 2015 #68

Amazing this story comes out now Egnever Feb 2015 #72

Tabloid at it's finest! Catherine Vincent Feb 2015 #80

Isn't she famous because her daughter made a sex tape? McCamy Taylor Feb 2015 #86

Kris is an obnoxious person, so this "insiders" comment is easy to believe. pnwmom Feb 2015 #106

This message was self-deleted by its author alp227 Feb 2015 #130

Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2015 #110

Kris is addicted to wealth, fame, and material bullshit. Kind of sad. Initech Feb 2015 #124

The question is why he wanted to marry her. Couldn't he have found someone less toxic? pnwmom Feb 2015 #132

Again I am sticking with my comment - 'Has Bruce Jenner officially said anything' LynneSin Feb 2015 #142

Well, there are photos of him TexasMommaWithAHat Feb 2015 #145

Photos can be photoshopped LynneSin Feb 2015 #146

I agree it is odd TexasMommaWithAHat Feb 2015 #147

Oh I agree LynneSin Feb 2015 #149

Oh bullshit Egnever Feb 2015 #148