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PosterChild

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163. Judith Miller....
Mon Feb 9, 2015, 10:34 PM
Feb 2015

... it is every citizen's duty to provide testimony in court when required to, either to exonerate an innocent defendant or to convict a guilty one. Refusal to do so is contempt of court, not "journalism" and punishment for contempt of court is not the "criminalization" of journalism.

James Risen....

Subpoenaed to give testimony in a criminal case, he challenged the subpoena and, eventually, lost on appeal to the supreme court. Spent no time in jail (according to the wiki article) and has not been compelled to testify. Once again, it is every citizen's duty to provide testimony in court when required to, either to exonerate an innocent defendant or to convict a guilty one. Refusal to do so is contempt of court, not "journalism" and punishment for contempt of court is not the "criminizlization" of journalism.

Aaron Swartz....

Huh? This guy? Committed suicide after being threatened with prosecution for breaking and entering? Has nothing to do with journalism, let along the "criminalization" of journalism". This is just breaking and entering. And stealing. As far as being "suicided", you might want to pursue that in the "Offbeat - Creative Speculation" group, where this sort of cheap innuendo belongs.

Michael Hastings....

More cheap innuendo. As before, belongs in the "Offbeat - Creative Speculation" group.


Greenwald...

In October 2014, around the same time that Greenwald dropped his first NSA scoop, Attorney General Eric Holder, speaking at a Washington, D.C. event, said this: “[T]he [Justice] Department has not prosecuted, and for as long as I’m attorney general of the United States, will not prosecute any reporter for doing his or her job.”

Snowden....

Snowden is not a journalist like Greenwald his case is very different different In the August 2006 opinion of U.S. District Court Judge T.S. Ellis III, in an espionage case "The first class consists of persons who have access to the information by virtue of their official position. These people are most often government employees or military personnel with access to classified information, or defense contractors with access to classified information, and are often bound by contractual agreements whereby they agree not to disclose classified information. As such, they are in a position of trust with the government. The second class of persons are those who have no employment or contractual relationship with the government, and therefore have not exploited a relationship of trust to obtain the national defense information they are charged with disclosing, but instead generally obtained the information from one who has violated such a trust."

14 Defining Characteristics of Fascism (http://www.rense.com/general37/char.htm) blkmusclmachine Feb 2015 #1
13 out of 14 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #4
It's already happening... haikugal Feb 2015 #10
How about the fundamentalist control of the Air Force Academy? Jackpine Radical Feb 2015 #66
Only Idiots And Fools billhicks76 Feb 2015 #67
Those "free speech zones" were only a hint of what was to come. Enthusiast Feb 2015 #129
Hillary's Prayer and The Fellowship Octafish Feb 2015 #103
They are working on that last one, day and night. Enthusiast Feb 2015 #128
It is 14 out of 14, the first step is to define realized what religion is being intertwined happyslug Feb 2015 #160
Good job... you just described every year in our lifetimes... bobclark86 Feb 2015 #65
But to this degree and such highly sophisticated organization against democracy for ALL? lexington filly Feb 2015 #79
Might not have the tech, but "nihil novi sub sole." bobclark86 Feb 2015 #82
I'm in complete agreement. SamKnause Feb 2015 #2
At some point, the pendulum will begin to swing away from this practice toward equality for all. Dont call me Shirley Feb 2015 #3
Me too, pretty much 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #6
I consider it the most sane of woowoo notion that at some point a critical mass of sanity triggers Dont call me Shirley Feb 2015 #13
That too. 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #15
Mine has been a slow awakening. LOL! Dont call me Shirley Feb 2015 #25
i hope that eventually a switch will be thrown in the unconscious mind of everyone. TimeToEvolve Feb 2015 #60
To further the notion, we are living in Interesting Times because Hestia Feb 2015 #137
Ever read THE PIT & THE PENDULUM? Yes, the pendulum swings, for us. HereSince1628 Feb 2015 #7
Yes and I have been in the blackness of eternal night, and I made it through. Dont call me Shirley Feb 2015 #24
The phrase actually comes from Hermeticism - A swing to the right is a swing to the left Hestia Feb 2015 #138
Interesting, but the pendulum I referred to is meant to cut victims in half HereSince1628 Feb 2015 #162
Oh, yuck...;) Hestia Feb 2015 #166
Same thoughts here, Dont. Though I have read of many Jews in Germany who japple Feb 2015 #69
The Pendulum Only Moves in One Direction AndyTiedye Feb 2015 #97
I said that during the Reagan administration . . . . . . annabanana Feb 2015 #143
but when it swings back, it won't be pretty. Javaman Feb 2015 #149
The big picture ..... Faryn Balyncd Feb 2015 #5
Thank you. nt 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #8
Well said and I completely agree... haikugal Feb 2015 #9
Nothing has been criminalized that has not gone through the legislature treestar Feb 2015 #11
Yes. On that we agree. 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #16
Here's Naomi Wolf's prescient views from 2007: Faryn Balyncd Feb 2015 #12
I remember that - Naomi nails it. 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #22
Yup! When I saw the beatdown of Occupy and the neo-military response to Furgoson OffWithTheirHeads Feb 2015 #14
Dissent = Terrorism 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #17
... OilemFirchen Feb 2015 #36
Well that's certainly cheery! WillowTree Feb 2015 #18
LOL 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #19
Thank YOU so much, for understanding my intent. WillowTree Feb 2015 #23
Brightened my day! We still got Obama, the White House, all the good States, and all the good ideas. Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #30
A REAL Democrat tried to warn us in 1976. Octafish Feb 2015 #20
I remember the Church Committee's good work 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #27
Daniel Schorr was fired by CBS over the Richard Welch case too .. MinM Feb 2015 #73
Octafish, the second-to-last link navarth Feb 2015 #74
From DU2: The people who tried to overthrow FDR in 1933 had kids. Octafish Feb 2015 #77
great thread. thanks. navarth Feb 2015 #87
+1 an entire shit load. Enthusiast Feb 2015 #131
Kick and Rec for TRUTH. nt hifiguy Feb 2015 #21
oh pleeeez...you insult people being persecuted around the world by using this term for the USA. uhnope Feb 2015 #26
The USA is catching up at light-speed, to N. Korea and China. 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #29
you're really in tinfoil hat department there uhnope Feb 2015 #31
Nice try 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #37
words have meaning. You undermine the fight for human rights when you uhnope Feb 2015 #41
I don't know about your "fight for human rights" 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #47
read post #46. Your view is one-sided and a bit silly. uhnope Feb 2015 #50
Please see post #53 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #57
+1 an entire shit load. Enthusiast Feb 2015 #132
You should zip it and think about it... StoneCarver Feb 2015 #102
When younger, I would NEVER have believed the USA could EVER sink to 46th in press freedom Faryn Balyncd Feb 2015 #54
+10000 And..The United States has the largest prison population in the world, woo me with science Feb 2015 #100
"Almost 12 million people cycle through local jails each year" damnedifIknow Feb 2015 #140
PLUS ONE, a whole bunch! Enthusiast Feb 2015 #133
an interesting we don't have it as bad approach... Kalidurga Feb 2015 #32
Did you participate in Occupy Wall Street or visit any of their sites? JDPriestly Feb 2015 #62
I agree with and know about everything in your excellent post uhnope Feb 2015 #70
I think we are on the edge but we can pull back from it. JDPriestly Feb 2015 #107
The Countries You Mentioned Have Lower Incarceration Rates Than the USA AndyTiedye Feb 2015 #98
"I mean some people who claim to be poor even have microwave ovens and TVs..." Fox News whereisjustice Feb 2015 #112
This message was self-deleted by its author whereisjustice Feb 2015 #113
Nice! Enthusiast Feb 2015 #134
From a while back, but interesting, nonetheless. CrispyQ Feb 2015 #28
Wow, yes. 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #33
and can you tell us who in the USA has been arrested for "freethinking"? uhnope Feb 2015 #34
They love the Internet & are collecting data on all of us. CrispyQ Feb 2015 #39
I see. So the police will bust down the doors of the freethinkers when? uhnope Feb 2015 #42
That's silly 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #43
Sascha Cohen said it best at the end of "The Dictator": Initech Feb 2015 #35
K&R! TeamPooka Feb 2015 #38
We lost this game a long time ago. The two minute warning was when we let the Supreme Court world wide wally Feb 2015 #40
That ushered in the "watch what you say" era. JEB Feb 2015 #71
PLUS ONE, a huge bunch! Enthusiast Feb 2015 #135
I'm not sure there was a ever a golden age in America's past, cheapdate Feb 2015 #44
The Age of Privacy Cryptoad Feb 2015 #45
I think your first paragraph could use more detail because as I read about the last 40 years being Bluenorthwest Feb 2015 #46
yes. The INCREASE in freedoms in the USA in last 40 years doesn't fit into the narrative uhnope Feb 2015 #52
Thanks for your thoughtful post 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #53
I see. So there's a plan by the "The Oligarchs" to fool us by giving us some freedom uhnope Feb 2015 #59
First the came for the poor, 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #63
Are you aware that you are quoting from the Holocaust and Nazi Germany? uhnope Feb 2015 #64
You misrepresent my point 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #76
Please don't put words in my mouth 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #156
You demean the years of struggle against your straight culture that produced the progress in Bluenorthwest Feb 2015 #91
What is it about 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #94
I think the fact that you feel you can characterize me with impunity suggests a lack of equity in Bluenorthwest Feb 2015 #141
You act like LGBT is the ONLY issue anyone should care about 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #150
This message was self-deleted by its author 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #95
What specifically leads you to believe that gay rights was a "carrot" developed by oligarchs? LanternWaste Feb 2015 #144
I'm not wedded to that point of view. 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #155
I wish I could talk you down from it. zeemike Feb 2015 #48
and how does this supposed Police State USA compare to actual police states in... uhnope Feb 2015 #55
I refer you to post 53 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #58
The OP has already answered the question. zeemike Feb 2015 #101
Asking questions in lieu of presenting an actual counter argument seems to indicate rhett o rick Feb 2015 #145
police reform is of the utmost importance IMO but reform is stalled by yahoos yelling "police state" uhnope Feb 2015 #147
.. questionseverything Feb 2015 #153
Kevin Gosztola is a joke and any program on RT is compromised uhnope Feb 2015 #154
dif source same info questionseverything Feb 2015 #158
thanks! yes I heard about that a while ago, it's insane uhnope Feb 2015 #159
so the police power is centralized (dea=feds) questionseverything Feb 2015 #161
Non criminal citations become increasingly criminalized bluestateguy Feb 2015 #49
Thousands of Occupy beat up and arrested Ramses Feb 2015 #51
Huge, huge K&R. Of course you are correct, woo me with science Feb 2015 #56
And the legitimization of corporate theft from the people's coffers erronis Feb 2015 #61
OK, you may be conflating a number of issues, hyperbalizing things and calling up a mythical past. pinto Feb 2015 #68
I realize that can be accused of "conflating issues" 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #83
See your point. pinto Feb 2015 #85
Thanks for that. 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #86
the only stickler in the argument is the guns grasswire Feb 2015 #72
Good point you make. 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #78
a gun grab could follow a false flag attack grasswire Feb 2015 #81
The answer is two fold. "Can it be a true police state whil citizenry are armed?" rhett o rick Feb 2015 #146
They've criminalized normal childhood play. TransitJohn Feb 2015 #75
Yes, a police state is being constructed around us: woo me with science Feb 2015 #80
And thank YOU. 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #92
You have outdone yourself, Woo Oilwellian Feb 2015 #120
Bravo! A brilliant post, on a supremely important thread! nt GliderGuider Feb 2015 #130
Outstanding post. CrispyQ Feb 2015 #139
Wait a minute obxhead Feb 2015 #84
I don't necessarily blame Obama 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #88
Of course we're living in a police state, and only fools and enabler deny it. Scuba Feb 2015 #89
Read the responses, your post is absolutely spot on but... guillaumeb Feb 2015 #90
Labor history is a really fascinating subject 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #99
Oh please, here in the U.S.A.... hunter Feb 2015 #93
Yes. And when we are NOT ineffectual (see OWS, Ferguson) 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #96
+1 whereisjustice Feb 2015 #117
people of color have been criminalzed? Huh? (nt) PosterChild Feb 2015 #104
Have you heard of "Driving while black"? 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #106
investigative journalists have beeen criminalized? PosterChild Feb 2015 #105
Just to name a few. 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #108
Judith Miller.... PosterChild Feb 2015 #163
And it happened under BOTH parties. cui bono Feb 2015 #109
Sshh. 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #110
And we're Ready for Hillary to save the rich... whereisjustice Feb 2015 #116
K&R demigoddess Feb 2015 #111
What bugs me the most daredtowork Feb 2015 #114
Excellent post, the rich are funding a police state to stifle dissent as they steal whereisjustice Feb 2015 #115
Thank you. 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #121
The fact this post stays up, and DU actually exists, speaks against the idea of a police state. Drunken Irishman Feb 2015 #118
Yes DU exists ... Until it doesn't 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #124
Yes. I think it invalidates your point. Drunken Irishman Feb 2015 #125
Armed officers appearing at people's residences over building code enforcement aint_no_life_nowhere Feb 2015 #119
It is exactly what you suspect. defacto7 Feb 2015 #122
Kick and R. BeanMusical Feb 2015 #123
This is why we need to fight back by.... blackbart99 Feb 2015 #126
K&R! This post should have hundreds of recommendations! Enthusiast Feb 2015 #127
We have Madmiddle Feb 2015 #136
A slowly boiled frog doesn't get it until he's dead, at which point, he's oblivious. merrily Feb 2015 #142
I would only correct one thing... Javaman Feb 2015 #148
it was OK City that really opened my eyes. grasswire Feb 2015 #152
also criminalized are certain aspects of family law grasswire Feb 2015 #151
Thanks for adding that to the mix 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #157
kick woo me with science Feb 2015 #164
kick woo me with science Feb 2015 #165
K&R raouldukelives Feb 2015 #167
kick woo me with science Feb 2015 #168
You might want to re-think your "investigative journalists" with the benefit of hindsight Blue_Tires Jan 2018 #169
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