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In reply to the discussion: Castrati - another Christian crime no one talks about [View all]Miigwech
(3,741 posts)63. Pope Pius X - Motu Proprio promulgated on November 22, 1903
http://www.adoremus.org/TraLeSollecitudini.html
V. The singers
12. With the exception of the melodies proper to the celebrant at the altar and to the ministers, which must be always sung in Gregorian Chant, and without accompaniment of the organ, all the rest of the liturgical chant belongs to the choir of levites, and, therefore, singers in the church, even when they are laymen, are really taking the place of the ecclesiastical choir. Hence the music rendered by them must, at least for the greater part, retain the character of choral music.
By this it is not to be understood that solos are entirely excluded. But solo singing should never predominate to such an extent as to have the greater part of the liturgical chant executed in that manner; the solo phrase should have the character or hint of a melodic projection (spunto), and be strictly bound up with the rest of the choral composition.
13. On the same principle it follows that singers in church have a real liturgical office, and that therefore women, being incapable of exercising such office, cannot be admitted to form part of the choir. Whenever, then, it is desired to employ the acute voices of sopranos and contraltos, these parts must be taken by boys, according to the most ancient usage of the Church.
14. Finally, only men of known piety and probity of life are to be admitted to form part of the choir of a church, and these men should by their modest and devout bearing during the liturgical functions show that they are worthy of the holy office they exercise. It will also be fitting that singers while singing in church wear the ecclesiastical habit and surplice, and that they be hidden behind gratings when the choir is excessively open to the public gaze.
V. The singers
12. With the exception of the melodies proper to the celebrant at the altar and to the ministers, which must be always sung in Gregorian Chant, and without accompaniment of the organ, all the rest of the liturgical chant belongs to the choir of levites, and, therefore, singers in the church, even when they are laymen, are really taking the place of the ecclesiastical choir. Hence the music rendered by them must, at least for the greater part, retain the character of choral music.
By this it is not to be understood that solos are entirely excluded. But solo singing should never predominate to such an extent as to have the greater part of the liturgical chant executed in that manner; the solo phrase should have the character or hint of a melodic projection (spunto), and be strictly bound up with the rest of the choral composition.
13. On the same principle it follows that singers in church have a real liturgical office, and that therefore women, being incapable of exercising such office, cannot be admitted to form part of the choir. Whenever, then, it is desired to employ the acute voices of sopranos and contraltos, these parts must be taken by boys, according to the most ancient usage of the Church.
14. Finally, only men of known piety and probity of life are to be admitted to form part of the choir of a church, and these men should by their modest and devout bearing during the liturgical functions show that they are worthy of the holy office they exercise. It will also be fitting that singers while singing in church wear the ecclesiastical habit and surplice, and that they be hidden behind gratings when the choir is excessively open to the public gaze.
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Yes, and it was Christians by the hundred thousand that marched to free those slaves
Telcontar
Feb 2015
#72
The point should be that there is no implicit morality or goodness associated with Christianity...
SidDithers
Feb 2015
#104
Fox News host: ‘Zero’ People Have Been Killed In The Name Of Any Religion But Islam (VIDEO)
Fumesucker
Feb 2015
#7
this is my favorite book by her and I told her that on facebook when she asked her fans
m-lekktor
Feb 2015
#15
I'm forgetting which secular democracy burned a captured enemy pilot alive in an iron cage last week
Pooka Fey
Feb 2015
#17
No, only CHRISTIANITY is "worth" getting outraged about, didn't you get the memo?
whathehell
Feb 2015
#31
um, i didn't say it was 'the same thing'. I said I feel the same ('why bother?') about the cat
ND-Dem
Feb 2015
#75
I know plenty of people who take Fox seriously, Fox is a bellwether for a substantial demographic
Fumesucker
Feb 2015
#92
Sorry, but "taking it seriously" is not the same as conflating it with truth,
whathehell
Feb 2015
#100
Um, the US is a secular democracy, regardless of what the RW Fundies think..
whathehell
Feb 2015
#32
What's this "WE" stuff? I don't believe you are running round castrating people--I know I'm not.
MADem
Feb 2015
#76
oh ffs, muslims castrated nearly every african male the took in the slave trade
AngryAmish
Feb 2015
#8
Fox's Bolling: Zero People Have Been Killed In The Name Of Any Religion But Islam
Fumesucker
Feb 2015
#12
Thank you, and yes, slavery was legal in Saudi Arabia until the early 1930's
whathehell
Feb 2015
#35
So our allies are Muslim slavers. But we're at war with Muslims who aren't slavers and in
ND-Dem
Feb 2015
#71
oh, i thought we were at war with al-qaeda. or the taliban. it's hard to keep up.
ND-Dem
Feb 2015
#82
Castrati were highly sought after as Lovers and Courtesans of both sexes, and richly compensated
Pooka Fey
Feb 2015
#11
My opinion has been formed by historical study of the time period in question
Pooka Fey
Feb 2015
#21
Medieval Church note to self "Leave abandoned boys alone to die with their balls intact"
Pooka Fey
Feb 2015
#90
I feel much better about the Islamic State and Female Genital Mutilation now. Good perspective!
Pooka Fey
Feb 2015
#28
This is also due to the church's ingrained dread and loathing for anything female
Warpy
Feb 2015
#44
Um I'm going to have to call bullshit. Sorry to be not be able to be "nice" about it.
Pooka Fey
Feb 2015
#57
OFFS. Using your logic, women in the USA don't have the right to vote. Lets get upset now.
Pooka Fey
Feb 2015
#85
Power is exercised through one's social status, connections, or by one's capacity for violence
Pooka Fey
Feb 2015
#106
Mozart cast women in his operas staged in Vienna and other stages all over Europe
Pooka Fey
Feb 2015
#89
or not as wackadoodle/sick/evil as our government droning the heck out of everyone
ND-Dem
Feb 2015
#105
That was a problem with Christianity, as extremism is currently a problem with Islam
RedCappedBandit
Feb 2015
#97
Eunuchs and Castrati created for various service roles are a fairly global and fully interfaith
Bluenorthwest
Feb 2015
#102