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haele

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67. That's a reciprocity act, not a national standard act.
Tue Feb 10, 2015, 10:39 PM
Feb 2015

A federal law that would establish "well, whichever state has the loosest gun ownership and right to carry standards sets the standards across the country" - pretty much like the fugitive slave laws. And we saw how that part of history ended...

An actual National Standard is something the Gun Lobby and the NRA does not want, because to be Constitutional (that pesky "well regulated militia" clause), it would require registration standards and possibly training standards that, despite the lip-service to "responsible gun ownership" the Gun Lobby spouts to the general public, they have vehemently opposed in their conventions and gatherings to the point that most of the good ol' boys (and gals) honestly believe that registration and a national database is the first salvo in the UN plot to take away all the guns from all the upright responsible gun-owning citizens.

Look, the arguments over the Second Amendment are complex, especially when considering who benefits - and who profits - over lashing up public opinion on what that comma actually means and what part is the actual subject. What really needs to happen is a big sit down and honestly hash it out, but there's a lot of money on the line as well as lives and public good - and sadly, money has a louder voice than actual people or logic does.

I have a marksman's ribbon from my time in the Navy. I've been shot at, and unhappily had to deal with the aftermath of shootings - and I'm not afraid of guns. I know that the purpose of guns in to kill, and very little else - you don't pull out a gun outside of a range unless you intend to pull the trigger and kill someone.
So, again - how important is government's role in public safety? Is it more important than a paranoid's fantasies? Is it more important than the quarterly profits of gun manufacturers and their lobbying arms?
Can we sit down like grown-ups and actually talk about the issue rather than try to protect our perceived positions of power in society?

I doubt it, because, again - to Extremists, there can be "no weakness" that would come from a discussion that requires actual diplomacy.
You aren't going to get the "Ammo-sexuals" and the "Gun Grabbers" to talk, because neither are going to put down their arms long enough to talk. And the rest of us suffer, our friends and families are needlessly killed, and the mentally unstable still will be able to easily get weapons that allow them to spread mayham and destruction more quickly than most any other method available.

Haele

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the bottom line is that not enough white kids have been killed or maimed ChosenUnWisely Feb 2015 #1
"not enough white kids have been killed or maimed due to gun violence"?! whathehell Feb 2015 #17
Has gun violence stopped since Newton? Nope, INCREASED. I rest my case. ChosenUnWisely Feb 2015 #34
I think you misunderstand me, I am appalled at our country's gun laws whathehell Feb 2015 #42
Black Americans are more than twice as likely to die from gun violence than whites Major Nikon Feb 2015 #39
If true, I stand corrected -- In any case, I despise the LACK of sensible gun laws in this country. whathehell Feb 2015 #43
I'm with you. bravenak Feb 2015 #52
100% Correct another alternative to waiting for more people to die is for lots of non white ChosenUnWisely Feb 2015 #61
Newton, Columbine itcfish Feb 2015 #55
Like I said not enough yet ChosenUnWisely Feb 2015 #62
they were all horrible. but our reaction to sandy hook is worse JI7 Feb 2015 #2
Thank goodness France has strict gun regulation and a total assault rifle ban Shamash Feb 2015 #8
Of what, would such a law consist? Hoppy Feb 2015 #10
no, progressives are not demonizing all gun owners. CTyankee Feb 2015 #11
Post removed Post removed Feb 2015 #19
seeing that the U.S. has the highest absolute number of gun owners in the world LanternWaste Feb 2015 #38
How exactly is pointing out intolerance...martyrdom? Shamash Feb 2015 #47
People are born gay, nobody is born a gun owner Bjorn Against Feb 2015 #63
Sounds just like the Christians who wail about being persecuted BrotherIvan Feb 2015 #40
Ecological fallacy Shamash Feb 2015 #46
You are crying about being called bad names BrotherIvan Feb 2015 #48
I'm guessing you are only allowed to read a certain number of words each day Shamash Feb 2015 #59
Very well stated malaise Feb 2015 #60
So take the time to remind us what solutions you are proposing... CANDO Feb 2015 #12
I have no idea what the NRA's solutions are Shamash Feb 2015 #18
FYI, the NRA and Gun Lobby actively opposes most of those solutions. haele Feb 2015 #36
I think you're misinformed on one of those Shamash Feb 2015 #44
That's a reciprocity act, not a national standard act. haele Feb 2015 #67
Here is what I am hearing you say. upaloopa Feb 2015 #57
I'll never get over it, or how the media & the NRA quickly doused national outrage & horror RiverLover Feb 2015 #3
Fox will show the violence of ISIS without batting an eye.. mountain grammy Feb 2015 #4
You are so right and MSGreedia pays little attention to the home grown racist barbarians malaise Feb 2015 #6
Maybe gun safety protesters should start making signs with the pictures mwrguy Feb 2015 #7
The difference is that Issa doesn't have an office on K street to bribe their sorry asses. Hoppy Feb 2015 #9
You nailed it. nt TBF Feb 2015 #14
+ Ed Suspicious Feb 2015 #15
Me, too. Way more troubled. marble falls Feb 2015 #5
Without a doubt madokie Feb 2015 #13
It doesn't have to be an "either or"...All are horrifying. whathehell Feb 2015 #16
Genital mutilation, public floggings for 'insulting' Islam. Did we 'ignite' that violence, too? randome Feb 2015 #20
An Intersting Observation.... Laxman Feb 2015 #21
We seem to want more school shootings by ignoring Security. ileus Feb 2015 #22
In your view what percentage of the current education budget should go to security? Fumesucker Feb 2015 #29
Tell me about it.....I submitted a 3k quote to a local school ileus Feb 2015 #37
"the lack of reining in the gun lovers is even worse than the slaughter of innocents" Dreamer Tatum Feb 2015 #23
But you've praised Angela Davis who supplied guns to violent criminals. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #24
More people died from gunshot last year in KC leftyladyfrommo Feb 2015 #25
Which KC? Shamash Feb 2015 #26
KCMO leftyladyfrommo Feb 2015 #50
Media-fueled paranoia, institutional economic inequality... Act_of_Reparation Feb 2015 #27
I just can't believe how paranoid a person would have to be to leftyladyfrommo Feb 2015 #51
If you really want to know, watch the YouTubes. Act_of_Reparation Feb 2015 #58
I lost classmates at Sandy Hook. Act_of_Reparation Feb 2015 #28
I'm very sorry for pain you are feeling. In_The_Wind Feb 2015 #31
Yeah, but we ~must~ simply do something about the one Fumesucker Feb 2015 #32
I completely agree. Act_of_Reparation Feb 2015 #33
+1 BrotherIvan Feb 2015 #41
My condolences to you.. whathehell Feb 2015 #45
I totally agree. Good point. nruthie Feb 2015 #30
My dear Malaise.. I just do not understand Peacetrain Feb 2015 #35
I am not equally horrified malaise Feb 2015 #64
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Maybe they were staged and everyone's drinking scotch with Elvis and Bin Laden? randome Feb 2015 #53
Lobby money, lots of lobby money keeps the NRA where they are and has cultivated a Jefferson23 Feb 2015 #54
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Is there a need to make illegal acts more illegal? ManiacJoe Feb 2015 #65
+100 n/t billh58 Feb 2015 #66
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