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In reply to the discussion: In their own words. An "intellectual buyout" of the Democratic Party. [View all]wyldwolf
(43,875 posts)47. "without having to rely on the party's traditional constituents."
The Democratic party's ship ran ashore in the 1980s precisely because we had to rely on the party's "traditional constituents."
Every time someone makes the point you did in your OP, I'm reminded of a piece from The American Prospect by Michael Tomasky in which he very succinctly addressed the Democratic Party's over-reliance on 'traditional constituents.' Why? Because the party has lot of them. The diverse coalition as means of financial support in a time where Republicans were increasingly out-raising us (and beating us at the ballot box) made that system difficult to maintain if our goal was to win elections
For many years -- during their years of dominance and success, the period of the New Deal up through the first part of the Great Society -- the Democrats practiced a brand of liberalism quite different from todays. Yes, it certainly sought to expand both rights and prosperity. But it did something more: That liberalism was built around the idea -- the philosophical principle -- that citizens should be called upon to look beyond their own self-interest and work for a greater common interest.
Many of today's Democrats - of the further left variety - still cling to the outdated post-Great Society notion that the Party must cater to every interest group's whims. It's important to remember how central the interest group/group rights framework was to the Left until around the time the DLC formed. Back in 1988, one of the Rev. Jesse Jackson's best known speeches invoked his grandmother's quilts as a metaphor for the Democratic Party, and then he proceeded through a litany of "the groups" (everyone from small business people and farmers to gays and lesbians), addressing each with the warning: "Your patch is too small."
That quilt is better indicative of a Democratic Party that had become a loose confederation squabbling groups who could never be collectively pleased, a state that manifested itself with dwindling votes at the ballot box.
One last thing before the wailing and gnashing of teeth begins, before the obligatory 'fuck you's' and threats to leave the party. You referenced a review of Al From's book by Lloyd Grove. I rather like Matt Stoller's, which ended with this very important piece of advice - advice 'progressives' have always ignored and probably always will. Recycling the same anti-Clinton, anti-DLC screeds on message board is just so much easier.
...if you expect changes in philosophy and behavior (from the Democratic Party) youre going to have to do what Al From did. Which is, organize. And dont just organize to put Democrats in power, organize around ideas the way that Al From did. Froms ideas were incredibly consequential, and they are today the basis for how the West is run.
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In their own words. An "intellectual buyout" of the Democratic Party. [View all]
madfloridian
Feb 2015
OP
I guess I live in cuckoo land because I believe in people first and Big Business second..
Bandit
Feb 2015
#20
"They are still lecturing the left, the liberals to stop complaining." Right here, every day.
Scuba
Feb 2015
#4
Simply check out how little coverage the low voter turnout from the last cycle.....
daleanime
Feb 2015
#116
Obama covered it Nov 2014: "Those who voted, I heard you. Those who didn't vote, I heard you, too."
merrily
Feb 2015
#117
I don't think they want ordinary voters support, actually. The rudeness and lack of regard for
ND-Dem
Feb 2015
#68
Thanks, madfloridian. According to Conyers, both OASDI and Medicare were put on the table.
merrily
Feb 2015
#10
It needs a lot of time to take hold and a buttload of money up front and no one will provide that.
merrily
Feb 2015
#40
That thinking, 'unprofitable mindsets (SS, Public School Ed, etc) replaced by 'more efficient
sabrina 1
Feb 2015
#19
The issue was regional... it made it hard for democrats to win in SOME places
HereSince1628
Feb 2015
#23
Great thread. thanks. Archivists awe me some, esp. if they are not archiving for
merrily
Feb 2015
#43
Do not let down. These are historical facts about the Clintion Faction of the democractic party
Exultant Democracy
Feb 2015
#26
so cutting and pasting the same post over and over is going to make a difference?
wyldwolf
Feb 2015
#60
So the question is, do you stand up for principles, or do you sell out to be a "winner"?
rhett o rick
Feb 2015
#71
Interesting that you admit you don't consider yourself progressive. Will you go the next
rhett o rick
Feb 2015
#86
When have I ever NOT admitted I wasn't a 'progressive?' That isn't interesting at all.
wyldwolf
Feb 2015
#87
Maybe you will accept definitions from dictionary.com. A Progressive (noun) is "a person who is
rhett o rick
Feb 2015
#103
Really? You could apply that to anyone you disagree with. Where did you get that
rhett o rick
Feb 2015
#109
Howard Dean did a good job with the 50 State Strategy, but the dem leadership dropped it.
CrispyQ
Feb 2015
#101
Let's legislate exclusively for the benefit of rich people. What could go wrong? eom
whereisjustice
Feb 2015
#63
DLC and Third Way Democrats are all in it for THEMSELVES. They do NOT CARE
closeupready
Feb 2015
#90
Capitalism and party mixed. What ever brings in more money for the campaign ...wins.
L0oniX
Feb 2015
#93
And the results of 'freeing themselves from positions that make it difficult to win'.
pa28
Feb 2015
#95
But, but Bill Clinton won a three way race 20+ years ago what else do you need to know?
TheKentuckian
Feb 2015
#98
We lost the House. We lost the Senate. We lost a majority of state legislatures...
DemocratSinceBirth
Feb 2015
#111