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wyldwolf

(43,875 posts)
47. "without having to rely on the party's traditional constituents."
Thu Feb 12, 2015, 08:26 PM
Feb 2015

The Democratic party's ship ran ashore in the 1980s precisely because we had to rely on the party's "traditional constituents."

Every time someone makes the point you did in your OP, I'm reminded of a piece from The American Prospect by Michael Tomasky in which he very succinctly addressed the Democratic Party's over-reliance on 'traditional constituents.' Why? Because the party has lot of them. The diverse coalition as means of financial support in a time where Republicans were increasingly out-raising us (and beating us at the ballot box) made that system difficult to maintain if our goal was to win elections

For many years -- during their years of dominance and success, the period of the New Deal up through the first part of the Great Society -- the Democrats practiced a brand of liberalism quite different from today’s. Yes, it certainly sought to expand both rights and prosperity. But it did something more: That liberalism was built around the idea -- the philosophical principle -- that citizens should be called upon to look beyond their own self-interest and work for a greater common interest.


Many of today's Democrats - of the further left variety - still cling to the outdated post-Great Society notion that the Party must cater to every interest group's whims. It's important to remember how central the interest group/group rights framework was to the Left until around the time the DLC formed. Back in 1988, one of the Rev. Jesse Jackson's best known speeches invoked his grandmother's quilts as a metaphor for the Democratic Party, and then he proceeded through a litany of "the groups" (everyone from small business people and farmers to gays and lesbians), addressing each with the warning: "Your patch is too small."

That quilt is better indicative of a Democratic Party that had become a loose confederation squabbling groups who could never be collectively pleased, a state that manifested itself with dwindling votes at the ballot box.

One last thing before the wailing and gnashing of teeth begins, before the obligatory 'fuck you's' and threats to leave the party. You referenced a review of Al From's book by Lloyd Grove. I rather like Matt Stoller's, which ended with this very important piece of advice - advice 'progressives' have always ignored and probably always will. Recycling the same anti-Clinton, anti-DLC screeds on message board is just so much easier.

...if you expect changes in philosophy and behavior (from the Democratic Party) you’re going to have to do what Al From did. Which is, organize. And don’t just organize to put Democrats in power, organize around ideas the way that Al From did. From’s ideas were incredibly consequential, and they are today the basis for how the West is run.

http://bit.ly/1zybePv


K&R Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #1
TPP has ''LARRY SUMMERS'' written all over it. Octafish Feb 2015 #2
Another familiar tactic of the pragmatic woodchucks. merrily Feb 2015 #8
Don't be a purist. winter is coming Feb 2015 #53
I'm a merrily Feb 2015 #75
TWM's lawyers are going to take you for every heart you have. winter is coming Feb 2015 #81
Oh, noes, not my hearts! Manny has so many more than I do anyway. merrily Feb 2015 #82
And now you know the ugly truth about how he got them. n/t winter is coming Feb 2015 #83
... merrily Feb 2015 #84
Bookmarking your post for future reference MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #94
P.S. Supreme Court. merrily Feb 2015 #76
"The Center Holds" by David Brooks 2007.Slams liberals. madfloridian Feb 2015 #3
I guess I live in cuckoo land because I believe in people first and Big Business second.. Bandit Feb 2015 #20
Well it is the party of the people. zeemike Feb 2015 #37
Like Kos represents the left. lol. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #67
analyzed DonCoquixote Feb 2015 #69
simple jollyreaper2112 Feb 2015 #85
"They are still lecturing the left, the liberals to stop complaining." Right here, every day. Scuba Feb 2015 #4
While expecting their support. n/t winter is coming Feb 2015 #30
sometimes demanding. Though I think part of that may merrily Feb 2015 #38
+1 daleanime Feb 2015 #61
Thanks. I am looking forward to the next election, hoping Dems will gain merrily Feb 2015 #73
If we are willing to engage the base.... daleanime Feb 2015 #96
Well, according to the Third Way loyalists, New Democrats are the base and merrily Feb 2015 #113
Simply check out how little coverage the low voter turnout from the last cycle..... daleanime Feb 2015 #116
Obama covered it Nov 2014: "Those who voted, I heard you. Those who didn't vote, I heard you, too." merrily Feb 2015 #117
There will be pain... daleanime Feb 2015 #118
The few will continue to be excepted until the many change. merrily Feb 2015 #119
I don't think they want ordinary voters support, actually. The rudeness and lack of regard for ND-Dem Feb 2015 #68
Also a possibility. merrily Feb 2015 #74
This says it all: CrispyQ Feb 2015 #5
+1 hifiguy Feb 2015 #6
yep. nt antigop Feb 2015 #14
And Hillary wants to finalize the the deal for good hifiguy Feb 2015 #16
Oh yes. 840high Feb 2015 #64
Yup, follow the money. It's all about the money. n/t woodsprite Feb 2015 #7
It isn't about issues. HappyMe Feb 2015 #9
Not about issues, not about electability. merrily Feb 2015 #11
The electoral system is so corrupt & compromised, CrispyQ Feb 2015 #21
With a list like that, HappyMe Feb 2015 #24
In Penn., GOP got so damned arrogant, they lost the governorhip. Divernan Feb 2015 #92
It hurts. But it's true. ancianita Feb 2015 #89
Thanks, madfloridian. According to Conyers, both OASDI and Medicare were put on the table. merrily Feb 2015 #10
Stop yer complaining, drink your cool aide and vote HRC. nm rhett o rick Feb 2015 #12
Nope. No, nae, never. hifiguy Feb 2015 #28
No way in hell will I vote for her. 840high Feb 2015 #65
Me either. One has to draw the line somewhere. nm rhett o rick Feb 2015 #70
Kool-Aid? More like antifreeze. SusanaMontana41 Sep 2015 #126
Fuckers! Phlem Feb 2015 #13
thanks, mad. They screwed American workers. nt antigop Feb 2015 #15
It's about maintaining the illusion of a two party system. jalan48 Feb 2015 #17
Everyone says they "won't spoil" with a third party daredtowork Feb 2015 #18
They rigged the system WDIM Feb 2015 #27
It seems to me daredtowork Feb 2015 #29
It needs a lot of time to take hold and a buttload of money up front and no one will provide that. merrily Feb 2015 #40
The error in that is in the need to win elections. zeemike Feb 2015 #41
That thinking, 'unprofitable mindsets (SS, Public School Ed, etc) replaced by 'more efficient sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #19
Supreme Court, LOTE, say hello to President CruZZZZZzzzzzzzz merrily Feb 2015 #42
This is why I refuse to support Hillary.... Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2015 #22
The issue was regional... it made it hard for democrats to win in SOME places HereSince1628 Feb 2015 #23
Cribbed from a previous post, unfortunately Android3.14 Feb 2015 #25
Great thread. thanks. Archivists awe me some, esp. if they are not archiving for merrily Feb 2015 #43
You only found one? madfloridian Feb 2015 #44
Do not let down. These are historical facts about the Clintion Faction of the democractic party Exultant Democracy Feb 2015 #26
Hill's always been on the make; now she's on the remake. Jackpine Radical Feb 2015 #35
But the Supreme Court! Or something... arcane1 Feb 2015 #31
DLC = GOP lite. blkmusclmachine Feb 2015 #32
HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT Feb 2015 #33
Kick LondonReign2 Feb 2015 #34
unprofitable mind-sets hibbing Feb 2015 #36
DU Rec. SixString Feb 2015 #39
Kicked and recommended a whole bunch! Fuck 'em! Enthusiast Feb 2015 #45
K&R Kermitt Gribble Feb 2015 #46
"without having to rely on the party's traditional constituents." wyldwolf Feb 2015 #47
Hey ww address the last few election losses. madfloridian Feb 2015 #49
+10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 Phlem Feb 2015 #51
I've done that ad nauseam here. Probably in your threads, too wyldwolf Feb 2015 #52
Can I include "post partisanship" as well? madfloridian Feb 2015 #54
SURE! Just makes sure they adhere to the method we established. wyldwolf Feb 2015 #55
Heck, why retype when one can cut and paste? madfloridian Feb 2015 #57
why do either? wyldwolf Feb 2015 #58
Because their goals of the last few decades are changing our country. madfloridian Feb 2015 #59
so cutting and pasting the same post over and over is going to make a difference? wyldwolf Feb 2015 #60
Still condescending. Groundhog day? madfloridian Feb 2015 #114
Still repetitive? wyldwolf Feb 2015 #115
So the question is, do you stand up for principles, or do you sell out to be a "winner"? rhett o rick Feb 2015 #71
That question is too black or white, this or that wyldwolf Feb 2015 #79
Interesting that you admit you don't consider yourself progressive. Will you go the next rhett o rick Feb 2015 #86
When have I ever NOT admitted I wasn't a 'progressive?' That isn't interesting at all. wyldwolf Feb 2015 #87
Maybe you will accept definitions from dictionary.com. A Progressive (noun) is "a person who is rhett o rick Feb 2015 #103
Sure. Progressive (noun) vs. "progressive" (noun) wyldwolf Feb 2015 #107
Really? You could apply that to anyone you disagree with. Where did you get that rhett o rick Feb 2015 #109
But I'm applying it to "progressives." wyldwolf Feb 2015 #110
He not only admits he isn't a progressive, he uses the term as a slur LondonReign2 Feb 2015 #88
Howard Dean did a good job with the 50 State Strategy, but the dem leadership dropped it. CrispyQ Feb 2015 #101
I don't entirely disagree wyldwolf Feb 2015 #108
Sometimes there actually IS just "this or that" madfloridian Feb 2015 #123
Not in politics wyldwolf Feb 2015 #124
But, but, remember it's PRAGMATIC to back these folks! HereSince1628 Feb 2015 #48
Buyout? More like a sellout. n/t winter is coming Feb 2015 #50
Unprofitable mindset here and I vote. JEB Feb 2015 #56
DU Rec blackspade Feb 2015 #62
Let's legislate exclusively for the benefit of rich people. What could go wrong? eom whereisjustice Feb 2015 #63
2014~nt RiverLover Feb 2015 #80
K&R and I remember reading stories along the same lines at the time. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #66
Looks like a job for... MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #72
lol, now that is funny. Jefferson23 Feb 2015 #91
Great topic! nikto Feb 2015 #77
I'm just gonna throw this in here... uriel1972 Feb 2015 #78
DLC and Third Way Democrats are all in it for THEMSELVES. They do NOT CARE closeupready Feb 2015 #90
Capitalism and party mixed. What ever brings in more money for the campaign ...wins. L0oniX Feb 2015 #93
And the results of 'freeing themselves from positions that make it difficult to win'. pa28 Feb 2015 #95
But, but Bill Clinton won a three way race 20+ years ago what else do you need to know? TheKentuckian Feb 2015 #98
well, their "buyout" should be expected from unprincipled "sellouts" stupidicus Feb 2015 #97
If you keep voting for the people who do the things you don't want...... DeSwiss Feb 2015 #99
We'll stop complaining when they stop being so crooked. Baitball Blogger Feb 2015 #100
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2015 #102
It needs to be a New Party that can defeat TWO other parties Jamastiene Feb 2015 #106
The overarching goal we must have is to cooperate around a common goal. PatrickforO Feb 2015 #104
I once thought about writing an OP on DU asking, Jamastiene Feb 2015 #105
We lost the House. We lost the Senate. We lost a majority of state legislatures... DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #111
I think we need to keep up with Third Ways' Twitter. madfloridian Feb 2015 #112
Candidates approach donors by positioning themselves against the Left daredtowork Feb 2015 #120
Yes, very good post. So true. madfloridian Feb 2015 #121
kick woo me with science Feb 2015 #122
+ Electric Monk Feb 2015 #125
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