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woolldog

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115. They are genetic anomalies...which is why

Fri Feb 13, 2015, 12:01 AM

Feb 2015

they are paid so much. Similar to why great athletes are paid so much. Models' looks are a rare commodity just as athletic prowess as well is a rare commodity. Both make a lot of money and as a result pay those blessed with those qualities well. Simple supply and demand

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Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Issue Model Defends Cover As Empowering [View all] NaturalHigh Feb 2015 OP

yes! Beaverhausen Feb 2015 #1

Certainly it empowered her bank account. n/t PoliticAverse Feb 2015 #2

Undoubtedly. NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #3

Good for her. nt RiffRandell Feb 2015 #6

And her fame Auggie Feb 2015 #8

This message was self-deleted by its author big_dog Feb 2015 #20

+1 it is not empowering for women generally treestar Feb 2015 #52

you don't give society enough credit snooper2 Feb 2015 #165

Who is there and where did she get the wig? treestar Feb 2015 #173

you really don't know the greatness that is Kathy Griffin? snooper2 Feb 2015 #178

The last time I felt "empowered" and started to pull down my pants, I GummyBearz Feb 2015 #181

Empowering for whom and how? Spider Jerusalem Feb 2015 #4

It's her quote, not mine. NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #9

I don't doubt it's empowering for her. kcr Feb 2015 #53

I agree and will defend a woman's right to control her own body every time. InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2015 #149

No, you are speaking for her. RiffRandell Feb 2015 #11

I'm not, actually, speaking for her. Spider Jerusalem Feb 2015 #12

She never said that, but if were questioned she could answer like RiffRandell Feb 2015 #16

Except she did in fact say that. Spider Jerusalem Feb 2015 #17

Please! RiffRandell Feb 2015 #19

she's presuming to speak for other women. and to decide they're not feminists if they disagree ND-Dem Feb 2015 #105

Well damn... one_voice Feb 2015 #118

right, that's exactly what i said. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #121

You should give her a call and explain this in detail snooper2 Feb 2015 #168

personal attack on the poster is a good way to demonstrate one's lack of an argument ND-Dem Feb 2015 #176

grass is greener on the other side of the moon snooper2 Feb 2015 #179

Why? Why is she not allowed to have an opinion on what constitutes objectification, but others are? Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #58

What does it matter? Okay, so she's "allowed" to have that opinion. kcr Feb 2015 #66

I also don't see how bagging on the damn magazine endlessly is going to empower those women, either. Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #80

If swimsuit models were paid less and ordinary women workers were paid more, it would be empowering. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #108

It would also have less than nothing to do with the point in question. Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #114

They are genetic anomalies...which is why woolldog Feb 2015 #115

um...no. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #122

No what? Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #123

those fake grapefruits have nothing to do with genetics. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #133

Au contraire Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #148

try saline and plastic bags. which is why they look so preternaturally round and sharp edged. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #154

You spend way too much time looking at SI covers snooper2 Feb 2015 #169

attack the poster is always a good way to demonstrate one's lack of an argument ND-Dem Feb 2015 #175

Actually, yes. NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #126

Thank you! smirkymonkey Feb 2015 #159

Well, when you think about it Bobbie Jo Feb 2015 #160

I look at it like this. NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #195

Nothing pertaining to this topic is ever that simple for people to grasp. RiffRandell Feb 2015 #199

I know, but you would think that progressives... NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #200

I caught on during the porn wars which I stayed out of as it seemed RiffRandell Feb 2015 #201

You were the catalyst for the 2014 SI wars? NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #202

Not in a good way, though. RiffRandell Feb 2015 #203

Yeah, while she's young and pretty. smirkymonkey Feb 2015 #205

When she's older and babysitting her grandchildren... NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #209

yes, I'm sure models are the only people featured in sports illustrated Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #210

I don't think so. She was responding to the statement as presented in the OP. Hekate Feb 2015 #96

What constitutes more "experienced?" RiffRandell Feb 2015 #99

You funny. I'm old enough to be her grandma, and I've lived and observed my whole life. Hekate Feb 2015 #104

Her life on her terms, that's empowerment. pintobean Feb 2015 #158

Well, maybe she feels sexy, healthy, and happy. Saboburns Feb 2015 #15

so you're saying that in order to feel that way, one must appear mostly naked in a men's magazine? ND-Dem Feb 2015 #109

But it's on someone else's terms. alarimer Feb 2015 #162

"I don't know why people keep ignoring the elephant in the room" Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #174

Maybe you're correct Saboburns Feb 2015 #188

I think what is truly "problematic" is self-appointed arbiters of morality trying to tell consenting Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #24

Appalling. RiffRandell Feb 2015 #5

I feel empowered too. Katashi_itto Feb 2015 #7

LOL! LondonReign2 Feb 2015 #93

Huh... one_voice Feb 2015 #10

Isn't it? RiffRandell Feb 2015 #21

Indeed. I read things... one_voice Feb 2015 #50

Apparently the whole "choice" thing only goes so far for some. NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #59

I can't even explain as somehow we'll be mocked. RiffRandell Feb 2015 #71

Not to our 'faces' we won't be... one_voice Feb 2015 #102

So awesome! RiffRandell Feb 2015 #103

thanks! one_voice Feb 2015 #119

Sometimes referred to as "controlling the gaze" by women's studies types... HereSince1628 Feb 2015 #13

the models don't control where and at what men look. they're low on the totem pole. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #110

Whatever... when I wrote that it seemed the point of view was missing from the discussion HereSince1628 Feb 2015 #161

The models aren't 'controlling the gaze'. They don't own the media, they don't set up the shots, ND-Dem Feb 2015 #180

But they DO choose to work in the industry HereSince1628 Feb 2015 #183

please link me to any claims of slavery for SI swimsuit models. Models are the least powerful ND-Dem Feb 2015 #186

If anyone finds sexy naked or near-naked pics of me on usenet... hunter Feb 2015 #14

I looked just like Andy Gibb in my younger days. Now it's more like Andy Rooney. nt benz380 Feb 2015 #23

There are naked daguerrotypes of me out there, somewhere Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #26

They're not coming. Chellee Feb 2015 #31

I think the pony was spooked by something he saw Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #63

Don't frighten the horses! Comrade Grumpy Feb 2015 #131

You are tempting me. hunter Feb 2015 #33

Nothin' wrong with being preserved, artistically, in the old prime. Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #55

Two of my high school classmates were featured in Playboy, and one in Penthouse. hunter Feb 2015 #92

Oh, puh-leeze. Laffy Kat Feb 2015 #18

Care to elaborate? NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #22

Not really because I will be raked over the coals. Laffy Kat Feb 2015 #72

I truly can't see how this magazine cover hurts anyone. NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #76

Obviously. Is that why you felt compelled to bring it to everyone's attention? Laffy Kat Feb 2015 #78

I wanted to reiterate that this woman... NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #81

Well, she obviously doesn't know what she's saying. Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #25

She's hoping for a pat on the head. NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #27

She's hoping no one will notice Warpy Feb 2015 #30

What are we supposed to "get"? NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #34

empowerment is a subjective concept. At most basic level, "empowerment" shakes out to Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #51

Women on the "M' side of "S&M" find that to be an empowering experience also. n/t DebJ Feb 2015 #137

Do they? Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #147

LOL HereSince1628 Feb 2015 #36

Well... she's a model. Marr Feb 2015 #28

+1000. I'm sure the $$ helped make it empowering as well nt riderinthestorm Feb 2015 #44

Yeah, like it's empowering dhol82 Feb 2015 #29

You think she bought them? NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #32

Ummmmmmm dhol82 Feb 2015 #35

I consider myself a pretty good judge of such things... NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #37

Don't care how young you are dhol82 Feb 2015 #39

Well, I've seen my fair share. NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #40

What did they look like? dhol82 Feb 2015 #43

Let me think how to put this... NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #45

Well dhol82 Feb 2015 #46

LOL...I can't argue with the lost youth part.... NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #47

I agree with Naturalhigh--- I've seen them up close too. Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #82

You're right. prayin4rain Feb 2015 #153

you need to get out of the boonies and walk around in a city sometime snooper2 Feb 2015 #170

Um - not sure what you think you are saying dhol82 Feb 2015 #189

yes. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #113

If I were a parent I would not want them to see that cover. leftyladyfrommo Feb 2015 #38

Agree dhol82 Feb 2015 #41

It is sad. leftyladyfrommo Feb 2015 #48

"they are too young and na�ve to see just how they are being used"... NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #54

Ummm, yeah dhol82 Feb 2015 #60

"When men do the same thing they are judged poorly also"... NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #73

OK dhol82 Feb 2015 #75

This is the calendar I've bought the last couple years tammywammy Feb 2015 #84

I see nothing wrong with it. NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #85

agreed. tammywammy Feb 2015 #86

I think I need that calandar. one_voice Feb 2015 #90

I've bought it for myself and given it as a gift. tammywammy Feb 2015 #98

Nice pix dhol82 Feb 2015 #157

the career athlete will also likely have a short career. and despite the big bucks, most players ND-Dem Feb 2015 #112

Those professions really are a lot alike. leftyladyfrommo Feb 2015 #164

That's undoubtedly true. NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #198

I know, at 25 years old we need to take her under our wing and teach her more snooper2 Feb 2015 #171

When someone says they're not a prude melman Feb 2015 #49

Excellent dhol82 Feb 2015 #56

If that's "gynecological", it's the most non-invasive gynecological exam I've ever heard of. Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #61

Referred to pix dhol82 Feb 2015 #64

I know, so am I. Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #65

Sorry dhol82 Feb 2015 #69

I think the anecdotal horrified parent in the supermarket checkout line thing is overplayed. Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #79

aging men appear to be pro-'empowerment'. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #116

I disagree. Babies dying of measels is sad. Fundamentalists murdering cartoonists is sad. Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #57

OK dhol82 Feb 2015 #62

You are also a prude Augustus Feb 2015 #70

Looks like he can be added dhol82 Feb 2015 #74

I'm sorry to say that you are a prude Augustus Feb 2015 #68

No problem dhol82 Feb 2015 #77

Well said, Hannah LittleBlue Feb 2015 #42

porn! porn! porn! porn! WhaTHellsgoingonhere Feb 2015 #67

It didn't used to be 'empowering' to feminisits for women to show off skin; ND-Dem Feb 2015 #83

It's certainly not for me to decide... NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #87

I don't think it's sad at all. Children being bombed is sad. People starving is sad. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #107

You're absolutely right. NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #141

no, it's not a bit sad. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #143

LOL...okay. Thanks for that bit of "education." NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #152

I guess the flesh trade can be empowering to prayin4rain Feb 2015 #88

Well, I fail to see how it has any NEGATIVE effects. NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #91

I have never understood why some feminists believe .... MicaelS Feb 2015 #89

It's the Andrea Dworkin syndrome. NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #97

Where the fuck were you last year when I got hammered RiffRandell Feb 2015 #101

I got in on the SI wars late last year. NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #117

I'll forgive you as I like you. RiffRandell Feb 2015 #167

Thank you very much! NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #185

the andrea dworkin syndrome is fat middle-aged male pornography consumers' pretense that all ND-Dem Feb 2015 #120

Well, I don't actually watch pornography. NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #124

Quite interesting and telling you had to throw in the "fat" eptihet. n/t MicaelS Feb 2015 #128

i found the dworkin reference quite interesting and telling as well. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #129

I thought it was very accurate. NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #130

i assumed you would. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #132

I have never understood people who think women have *ever* had veto power over other women. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #106

I don't think I should have veto power. But I do have, and will continue to always have DebJ Feb 2015 #136

You pretty much hit the nail on the head. HappyMe Feb 2015 #182

that is not the point treestar Feb 2015 #184

"Choices men don't have to make." NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #197

Holy cow treestar Feb 2015 #206

Who says women can't be the best artists or scientists? NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #208

Is it time for the annual SI Swimsuit issue wars so soon? LondonReign2 Feb 2015 #94

Yeah, sure it is. I don't think it's "degrading," but all it does is use sex to sell whatever... Hekate Feb 2015 #95

my thing is CatWoman Feb 2015 #100

Empowering for her if she says so; made me want to barf closeupready Feb 2015 #111

Sigh. I remember when I was an empowered sex object. hunter Feb 2015 #125

LOL...my "selfie" would undoubtedly be hidden. NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #127

There are pictures of my naked hot young self on the internet... hunter Feb 2015 #151

I hope to live long enough to see a discussion on here about a man in such a pose on the SI cover. DebJ Feb 2015 #134

I can guarantee you won't see... NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #138

To be honest, if you read my other comments, I don't think much of them myself. DebJ Feb 2015 #140

Of course you're entitled to your opinion... NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #150

We do seem to be going thru a wierd nudity thing leftyladyfrommo Feb 2015 #166

Men do pose in sexually-suggestive ways in magazines davidn3600 Feb 2015 #139

Good catch! When I clicked on it, the one in the top row far right DebJ Feb 2015 #142

Because no one cares when a male model does it davidn3600 Feb 2015 #146

That's a great point. You hit the nail on the head. NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #193

actually, supposedly playgirl was for men more than women -- had more male subscribers. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #145

We have been taught from the cradle treestar Feb 2015 #207

We are also taught to respect women as people. NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #211

Of course she'll defend it...she posed for it! Catherine Vincent Feb 2015 #135

The buyers and sellers will both defend it. prayin4rain Feb 2015 #144

Why? NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #192

It's a nice picture. PeteSelman Feb 2015 #155

Me either. polly7 Feb 2015 #156

Look, it is a magazine Bettie Feb 2015 #163

I suppose in some small way it is. Orsino Feb 2015 #172

How is it the opposite of empowerment? NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #191

Seriously. It is what it is. Her pose clearly invites viewers Ninga Feb 2015 #177

Her first modeling shoot was done at my buddy's pool AngryAmish Feb 2015 #187

Are you being serious? NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #190

Yes. but it wasn't my pool. AngryAmish Feb 2015 #204

Meanwhile, my fundy SIL went ballistic over the "pornographic" swimsuit issue Ex Lurker Feb 2015 #194

I know it's a stereotype... NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #196