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AdHocSolver

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31. Did your gut reaction or conscious reasoning lead you to misunderstand what I said?
Sat Apr 28, 2012, 03:18 PM
Apr 2012

The point of my post was that it is false to conclude that "conscious" reasoning is "superior" to gut reaction.

If the "conscious reasoning" starts from false premises, then the conclusion will be wrong.

It may be that a "gut reaction" processes the information "subconsciously" the same exact way, but starts from "correct" premises.

Gut reaction thinking can come from previous studies or experience that was retained subconsciously.

If the other two of the three questions were as simplistic as the one cited in the article, then the entire study is meaningless.

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To find out, his research team had college students perform three thinking tasks, each with an intuitive (incorrect) answer and an analytic (correct) answer.

For example, students were asked this question: "A bat and a ball cost $1.10 in total. The bat costs $1.00 more than the ball. How much does the ball cost?" The intuitive answer — 10 cents — would be wrong. A little math on the fly reveals that the correct answer would be 5 cents.

After answering three of these questions, the students were asked to rate a series of statements on belief, including, "In my life I feel the presence of the Divine," and "I just don't understand religion." Students who answered the three questions correctly — and presumably did a better job of engaging their analytical skills — were more likely to score lower on the belief scales.
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I started to calculate what the "correct" answer would be, but then "intuitively" came up with the correct response because I remembered seeing this question several times before in books and articles about puzzles.

It isn't merely the L.A. Times article that is oversimplified. The entire study is oversimplified.

Having worked behind the scenes in academia, I am not immediately impressed with "scientific research".

My opinions about a lot of "scientific" research were formed both from analytical observation AND gut instinct.





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I'd post this on Facebook... Atman Apr 2012 #1
Bwahaha... a la izquierda Apr 2012 #28
K&R! Interesting article. Great minds, LOL. Rhiannon12866 Apr 2012 #2
The right has the same problem in politics johnd83 Apr 2012 #3
It's a NO BRAINER. penndragon69 Apr 2012 #4
Or, You Are More Likely To Be a Pagan AnnieBW Apr 2012 #5
I remember some time back a class that taught kids the difference between brewens Apr 2012 #6
analytical thinking requires freedom from restraints....nothing can limit the levels of Humanity opihimoimoi Apr 2012 #7
That is unless ProSense Apr 2012 #8
kick n/t RainDog Apr 2012 #9
re: Los Angeles Times: Thinking can undermine religious faith, study finds allan01 Apr 2012 #10
... Union Scribe Apr 2012 #11
i do not hate you my fellow DUer. chknltl Apr 2012 #12
The L.A.Times has sucked for years. U4ikLefty Apr 2012 #13
So which corporate owned newspapers don't "suck" and do you read, if any? Better Believe It Apr 2012 #20
So you agree that they suck? U4ikLefty Apr 2012 #39
Define "suck" and do all of the articles that appear in the L.A. Times "suck"? Better Believe It Apr 2012 #40
If I wanted the corporate slant on current events in L.A. I'll read the Times. U4ikLefty Apr 2012 #41
I could stop reading any and all articles that appear in capitalist owned mass media. Better Believe It Apr 2012 #43
So you are arguing for the hell of it? U4ikLefty Apr 2012 #44
No. I'm just wondering if one can avoid capitalist indoctrination while reading the mass media. Better Believe It Apr 2012 #45
I guess that article struck a nerve. obxhead Apr 2012 #36
Nope, just dislike the L.A. Times, U4ikLefty Apr 2012 #38
This study is nonsensical on so many levels. AdHocSolver Apr 2012 #14
Actually there's been a lot of study done on the two systems of processing information Bolo Boffin Apr 2012 #17
Did your gut reaction or conscious reasoning lead you to misunderstand what I said? AdHocSolver Apr 2012 #31
I didn't misunderstand what you said. Bolo Boffin Apr 2012 #37
Its kind of a funny headline, no? BootinUp Apr 2012 #15
Reading a great book that talks a lot about this. Bolo Boffin Apr 2012 #16
I'm calling BS on this. Initech Apr 2012 #18
As much as I understand this, the LA Times article is overstating what the study shows. Bolo Boffin Apr 2012 #19
Book smart is not logic sMart. Many PhDs fall for scams! Logical Apr 2012 #21
Well, if two PH.D's believe God built the Earth that proves I must be wrong! Better Believe It Apr 2012 #23
All PhDs are not equal. MineralMan Apr 2012 #24
I am in complete agreement siligut Apr 2012 #25
I'm calling BS on your BS call Taitertots Apr 2012 #26
"Smart" and "being able to think" are pretty damned synonymous, don't ya think? Zalatix Apr 2012 #46
Who ever said "being able to think"? Taitertots Apr 2012 #49
When I have spoken to both fundamentalist Christians and fundamentalist Muslims, woo me with science Apr 2012 #22
This does not seem to be that complicated vanlassie Apr 2012 #27
Fascinating, but how to explain the Jesuits? Egalitarian Thug Apr 2012 #29
It was Jesuits who taught me not to believe everything I think. vanlassie Apr 2012 #30
Thank you Professor Obvious! BadGimp Apr 2012 #32
lol Liberal_in_LA Apr 2012 #34
yep. most western religions require a belief that a god is listening Liberal_in_LA Apr 2012 #33
"Most western religions"? How about ALL major religions? Quantess Apr 2012 #42
There are some nature/earth based ones that don't seem to involve begging a god for stuff Liberal_in_LA Apr 2012 #50
I appreciate those! Quantess Apr 2012 #51
Belief gets in the way of thinking. hobbit709 Apr 2012 #35
Belief based on "faith" rather than facts does get in the way of reality. Better Believe It Apr 2012 #47
So this is why you keep showering us with Obama-bashing articles Bolo Boffin Apr 2012 #48
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