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486. So your best rationalization for her selling out her party is that she just wanted to "get it over

Fri Feb 13, 2015, 02:58 PM

Feb 2015

so we could focus on the election."?? And you call me naive? She didn't reluctantly vote yes, she helped promote the war. People looked to her for honesty knowing the Bush and the Republicons lie. Her, repeating the Bush lies gave them a credence that the Republicons couldn't get by themselves. Besides, she has since admitted it was a mistake. You naively think she did it for expedience but she has since admitted it as a mistake. The only question that remains is, was she fooled by Bush? Or did she chose the Republcon war because she believed in it? In either case she demonstrated a lake of integrity.

You don't like the Wiki definition so you give an ad himinem attack, but you didn't provide an alternative source that you will accept.

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Hillary, DLC/Third Way, Neocons, PNAC, Etc. [View all] merrily Feb 2015 OP

I guess we can start calling stuff like this what is Gman Feb 2015 #1

Yeah, don't let all those direct quotes and links fool ya! Which fact do you claim is erroneous? merrily Feb 2015 #2

you have a couple of errors, omissions and subjective opinions in your OP wyldwolf Feb 2015 #20

of course she does. Phlem Feb 2015 #29

Thanks again, Phlem. merrily Feb 2015 #115

What are friends for. Phlem Feb 2015 #121

aw, ya called me friend. thanks. merrily Feb 2015 #201

Great. List them. (nt) jeff47 Feb 2015 #32

He tried. Please see my Replies 28, 79, 84 and 93. merrily Feb 2015 #137

Next! Phlem Feb 2015 #123

You have a subjective view of errors and there is a heading in my OP in bold and underlined, merrily Feb 2015 #124

Let's repeat again. wyldwolf Feb 2015 #131

I am curious whether you think that name calling is a real response? rhett o rick Feb 2015 #11

Thanks. If the poster had a real response or refutation, he or she would probably have posted it? merrily Feb 2015 #14

I think trying to guess why people support HRC is an interesting topic. rhett o rick Feb 2015 #51

IMO, she's obviously been the anointee since 2012, if not earlier. I've never seen anything like it merrily Feb 2015 #117

they benefit from the status quo. nt antigop Feb 2015 #118

Yep. merrily Feb 2015 #125

what name calling? wyldwolf Feb 2015 #76

It's the only response most of them know. villager Feb 2015 #77

+1 merrily Feb 2015 #202

Go ahead and try to refute it then. HappyMe Feb 2015 #12

+1 joshcryer Feb 2015 #19

You calling merrily a right winger? n/t cui bono Feb 2015 #92

Nope. joshcryer Feb 2015 #101

Because you reponded to someone who referred to the OP as "Hillary truther" by saying cui bono Feb 2015 #107

The grand right wing conspiracy is powerful. joshcryer Feb 2015 #206

So you *are* calling her a right winger and using word salad to justify it. cui bono Feb 2015 #251

I don't know that. joshcryer Feb 2015 #260

Of course, you totally do know what you were implying. And you also know it's bs. merrily Feb 2015 #412

Hahaha, cluelessness. joshcryer Feb 2015 #415

And you have the gall to claim MY posts are substance free personal insults? Project much? merrily Feb 2015 #423

"FOX News Hillary Clinton" joshcryer Feb 2015 #426

Nail joshcryer on one thing and he'll change the subject. Again and again. Bet on it. merrily Feb 2015 #445

Anything to add? joshcryer Feb 2015 #460

Did you really just say: "Anything to add? Other than personality insults?" cui bono Feb 2015 #475

You're either calling her a right winger or saying she doesn't know anything. cui bono Feb 2015 #474

Thanks. merrily Feb 2015 #411

Yw. Thank you for all the info you provide. cui bono Feb 2015 #476

They have nothing but snarky comments. No substance. nm rhett o rick Feb 2015 #144

Which part are you disputing? Hillary is NOT a Third Way candidate? The Third Way doesn't exist? sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #205

All these responses sound like the same things Gman Feb 2015 #215

Are you claiming that HRC isn't aligned with the DLC/Third Way? Or is name calling all rhett o rick Feb 2015 #228

The DLC has been gone for many years Gman Feb 2015 #235

You may be right that HRC will be the next president. The common folks will have a hard time rhett o rick Feb 2015 #238

That is so very naive to say that about her vote for the IWR Gman Feb 2015 #241

To claim that Hillary isn't a corporatist and supports American workers is what is "trutherism"... cascadiance Feb 2015 #248

You nailed that lyin corporatist again. We need to keep exposing Hillary. Go Bernie! InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2015 #459

You've got nothing. Maedhros Feb 2015 #287

Got nothing? Gman Feb 2015 #290

Apparently, he or she does have a new talking point. So there's that. merrily Feb 2015 #318

"Naive"?? I would welcome your attempts to justify or rationalize HRC promotion of the IWar. rhett o rick Feb 2015 #462

Yes, naive Gman Feb 2015 #481

So your best rationalization for her selling out her party is that she just wanted to "get it over rhett o rick Feb 2015 #486

Clearly you don't care about facts Gman Feb 2015 #488

She has the backing of the Oligarchs so she will probably be the next President. rhett o rick Feb 2015 #489

Absolutely Gman Feb 2015 #496

And there it is. Those with principles are responsible for the hundreds of thousands of rhett o rick Feb 2015 #499

I am what we call a yellow dog Democrat Gman Feb 2015 #504

Can never forgive HILLIARY for her IWR vote - that's when she lost me. InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2015 #458

"It's her turn." wildbilln864 Feb 2015 #240

It is because we want it to be Gman Feb 2015 #244

we shall see. n/t wildbilln864 Feb 2015 #245

Which "we" are we talking about, is the we you are identifying with the 1%? cascadiance Feb 2015 #252

Yeah, we know they are no longer using that name Mnpaul Feb 2015 #246

+1 Boom! And transitioning to Hillary's campaign advisors, even as we speak. merrily Feb 2015 #414

Most Americans aren't paying attention Mnpaul Feb 2015 #425

Most never heard of Third Way. I keep telling this story, so pardon me if you've read it before. merrily Feb 2015 #427

OMFG ROFLMFAO OMG Caretha Feb 2015 #258

I thought only the Republican Party did the "whose turn is it to be POTUS" nonsense. merrily Feb 2015 #416

It's her turn 2 line the pockets of the 1%, yes, includin her own. Bernie will Xspose Hillary 4 who she really is-can't wait! InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2015 #461

The OP covered both those points. You might try reading something before you post canards. Or not. merrily Feb 2015 #413

Smear Caretha Feb 2015 #255

Thank you so much. If he had substance, he probably would have posted it. merrily Feb 2015 #417

HAHAHA...Hillary Is As Bas As Jeb Bush billhicks76 Feb 2015 #300

Why would you refer to facts as "truther stuff"? Enthusiast Feb 2015 #319

All the links and direct quotes threw him off. That lot used to fact-free posting. merrily Feb 2015 #418

It's way bigger than any one Clinton. Orsino Feb 2015 #447

Why is any criticism of Hillary, regardless of how well and painstakingly linked, is viewed as hate? peacebird Jul 2015 #528

New Democrat Coalition is their own name for themselves. madfloridian Feb 2015 #3

Thank you. I agree with both you and wiki on that. merrily Feb 2015 #4

article by Thomas Frank antigop Feb 2015 #122

And remember that Hillary chaired the DLC before she last ran for president. DLC funding is from: hedda_foil Feb 2015 #352

Hey there hedda...good to see you around. madfloridian Feb 2015 #359

Even better to see you, madfloridian hedda_foil Feb 2015 #362

How many years... madfloridian Feb 2015 #364

Very long time, mf. I've been posting since 2001. hedda_foil Feb 2015 #366

2002 for me. madfloridian Feb 2015 #373

I'm afraid I never got into twitter. hedda_foil Feb 2015 #389

Who you calling mf? She's a great poster. Why, I oughtta.... merrily Feb 2015 #419

Excellent post! Kermitt Gribble Feb 2015 #5

Thank you and you are welcome. merrily Feb 2015 #6

Let's also not forget that the Koch Brothers also helped build up the DLC in its earlier days... cascadiance Feb 2015 #7

Yep. Right about the time they conceived of the Tea Party, too. (Do we know they stopped donating?) merrily Feb 2015 #9

The Koch Brothers had representatives... bvar22 Feb 2015 #167

Wow. I did not know that. I bookmarked. Thanks. Nice photo of Hills on "the DLC team" too. merrily Feb 2015 #203

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Feb 2015 #8

Thank you for the compliment and the rec. merrily Feb 2015 #10

President Jeb Bush has a nice ring to it, huh? JaneyVee Feb 2015 #13

The primary hasn't even begun yet, let alone the general. merrily Feb 2015 #15

And Hillary hasn't even announced, yet... JaneyVee Feb 2015 #16

Disgusting and low comment about an OP that is full of links, but I won't alert. merrily Feb 2015 #18

Full of links that you've intentionally misquoted wyldwolf Feb 2015 #21

Another low and disgusting comment. The quotes are copied and pasted. The links are there. merrily Feb 2015 #39

then you make assumptions about the links wyldwolf Feb 2015 #74

Again, if you have refutation of anything in the OP, I'd welcome it, especially if (a) it merrily Feb 2015 #79

I've already refuted several things. Pretending I didn't doesn't mean I didn't. wyldwolf Feb 2015 #80

LOL. No, you mentioned 3 things per the description in my reply 79 and were wrong on all 3 per my merrily Feb 2015 #84

Let's repeat again. wyldwolf Feb 2015 #129

Sure. See Reply 149 again. Even better, Reply 155. merrily Feb 2015 #153

Your spin wyldwolf Feb 2015 #161

Alert for what, pointing out the strange DU obsession with... JaneyVee Feb 2015 #23

People bash the President all the time. HappyMe Feb 2015 #33

You won't find me reccing those threads either. JaneyVee Feb 2015 #37

No, for your low down and utterly baseless comparison to a lynch mob. But, you knew that. merrily Feb 2015 #52

Disagreeing with Hillary Clinton and pointing out the reasons why are bashing? davidpdx Feb 2015 #313

The OP is about how HRC is in league with the 1%. Can you refute that? rhett o rick Feb 2015 #127

Hillary is probably a member of the 1%, merrily Feb 2015 #135

Yes Hillary's current wealth makes her a member of the 1%, which is remarkable since she was broke rhett o rick Feb 2015 #141

Nice to have a chance to interact with you. I don't think I've done that in a while. merrily Feb 2015 #208

How could HIllary be a 1%er? bvar22 Feb 2015 #207

As you know, "dead broke" to the 1% does not mean the same as "dead broke" to the merrily Feb 2015 #212

I think the Clintons held a benefit. Some brought casseroles, some second hand furniture, rhett o rick Feb 2015 #227

I bet you didn't even try to connect her with a food pantry, too. merrily Feb 2015 #420

She was already signed up for meals on jets. nm rhett o rick Feb 2015 #451

She doesn't fly commercial. merrily Feb 2015 #452

Why are people peeved about the facts? HappyMe Feb 2015 #22

I'm all for facts, but you're preaching to the choir. JaneyVee Feb 2015 #25

She's not the candidate yet. HappyMe Feb 2015 #27

I said viable candidate. JaneyVee Feb 2015 #31

Ah yes, the President Bush!!1 threat. HappyMe Feb 2015 #35

Now I'm "threatening"? Nope, just living in reality. JaneyVee Feb 2015 #40

I would like someone other than Hillary from our side. HappyMe Feb 2015 #44

Me too. Someone else. Enthusiast Feb 2015 #327

^^^Being correct on social issues is no longer good enough.^^^ hedda_foil Feb 2015 #354

what tripe. merrily Feb 2015 #46

Nope Caretha Feb 2015 #266

+1 davidpdx Feb 2015 #314

She's more than viable for the primary because the fix seems to have been in for years, best I can merrily Feb 2015 #421

I think she'll lose the general. merrily Feb 2015 #41

I'm all for a wide open primary... JaneyVee Feb 2015 #49

Too bad you think stating facts is smearing. It isn't. You comments about me, however, are smears. merrily Feb 2015 #54

Well put davidpdx Feb 2015 #315

ah, yes, the good ole "TeaLeft" talking point lie. merrily Feb 2015 #333

That TeaLeft howling HappyMe Feb 2015 #334

Yep, two of the board bullies davidpdx Feb 2015 #395

What facts? HRC supports don't state any facts. Here's a fact, HRC not only supported rhett o rick Feb 2015 #234

Lives needlessly lost. HappyMe Feb 2015 #332

Hillary's Turd Way leanings are well documented. InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2015 #95

Yes. Thank you. And founding member of the DLC = more than a Third Way leaning. merrily Feb 2015 #128

Yup yup. Hillary's Iraq vote doomed her in '08; will be her undoing in '16. InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2015 #178

There's no reason to believe that is impossible with Clinton as our candidate. jeff47 Feb 2015 #55

The thing is that nobody, absolutely nobody who votes alligns with the pit. hedda_foil Feb 2015 #360

How did Obama beat Hillary, huh? cui bono Feb 2015 #150

Oh please - not this again. 840high Feb 2015 #213

I found two 'errors' in your cut and paste analysis almost immediately wyldwolf Feb 2015 #17

This entire post is easily refuted. joshcryer Feb 2015 #24

Then refute it. merrily Feb 2015 #42

Not a chance in hell. joshcryer Feb 2015 #89

Lol, right. BeanMusical Feb 2015 #94

LOL! It would have been more credible if you stopped at the subject line. merrily Feb 2015 #106

That was pathetic. /nt Marr Feb 2015 #163

lmao!!! Yeah, so you used it to imply that merrily is a right winger in that vast conspiracy. cui bono Feb 2015 #311

Not going to get into circular 3 day long spats. joshcryer Feb 2015 #312

Interesting as well that apparently anyone not as progressive as Bernie Sanders is now a "rightist" brooklynite Feb 2015 #26

bs straw man merrily Feb 2015 #48

No, but the person that is to the right LondonReign2 Feb 2015 #70

+1 Marr Feb 2015 #165

No but those to the right of Sen Warren are clearly conservative. 30 years ago HRC would have rhett o rick Feb 2015 #230

The policies Bernie promotes are dead on centrist. He is right where the American people are. Enthusiast Feb 2015 #329

No. My link said Coalition for a Democratic Majority. merrily Feb 2015 #28

WyldWolf will always have an issue with anyone critical of Hillary. Phlem Feb 2015 #34

I know and I'm fine with his having issues. Not so fine with his attempts to smear me, though, but merrily Feb 2015 #58

Let me quote you AGAIN wyldwolf Feb 2015 #67

This is why I don't bother. joshcryer Feb 2015 #90

"a circular argument... refuting the dishonest false portrayals of things" Funny thing about history wyldwolf Feb 2015 #132

That circle would start with refutation which you have not accomplished, except that you proved merrily Feb 2015 #142

Let's repeat again wyldwolf Feb 2015 #145

Repetititon does not alter the fact that those points, though immaterial, have been responded to merrily Feb 2015 #149

They have been spun wyldwolf Feb 2015 #164

Absolutely not. But, prithee, to what end would I spin something that has nothing to do with merrily Feb 2015 #177

No, Josh. His refutations, though immaterial, have been refuted and you don't have any. merrily Feb 2015 #136

Let's repeat again. wyldwolf Feb 2015 #146

Sure. See Replies 149 and 155 again. merrily Feb 2015 #157

Your spin wyldwolf Feb 2015 #158

Do you not realize that posting the same thing over and over again ... ieoeja Feb 2015 #353

Do you not realize wyldwolf Feb 2015 #377

Seems thuggish, bullying and intentionally disruptive, doesn't it? Especially when Cryer joins in. merrily Feb 2015 #424

Yes. I was somewhat shocked at his response to me. I was not expecting a total dick. ieoeja Feb 2015 #472

You seemed to have missed the point too One of the 99 Feb 2015 #477

Ah, you are quibbling wholly immaterially over "model" vs. "embodiment" and claiming a deception. merrily Feb 2015 #93

Just a heads up. Lordquinton Feb 2015 #105

Thank you! But no alert or objection from this alerter on a poster merrily Feb 2015 #109

Oh my! HappyMe Feb 2015 #110

Words matter. facts matter. Historical accuracy matters. Errors by omission matter wyldwolf Feb 2015 #147

Do words and facts really matter to you? Because I told you that I would change "predecessor" merrily Feb 2015 #155

The fact it was there at all shows shoddy research wyldwolf Feb 2015 #159

No. The only source either you or I needed on that one was the wiki I cited. merrily Feb 2015 #166

You had a preconceived notion wyldwolf Feb 2015 #172

And you pulled that right out of your ear. Untrue and stinks of earwax to boot. merrily Feb 2015 #175

The McGovern "disaster" could not possibly have been due to active support of Nixon by eridani Feb 2015 #59

irrelevant wyldwolf Feb 2015 #72

lol! Look who's talking about "irrelevant." merrily Feb 2015 #170

Another irrelevant reply from you wyldwolf Feb 2015 #174

LOL. merrily Feb 2015 #176

Lol wyldwolf Feb 2015 #180

They'll reply for DAYS. joshcryer Feb 2015 #263

Fortunately I have a few days off. wyldwolf Feb 2015 #265

Pretending only one person continues to reply, Josh? Typical. merrily Feb 2015 #326

Is this one of those times? joshcryer Feb 2015 #328

Yep, this is one of those times, but not before I thank you for proving my point. merrily Feb 2015 #331

Guess not! joshcryer Feb 2015 #340

Yep. Also Eagleton combined with a short run (RFK assassination), early opposition from Ted merrily Feb 2015 #139

hillary is Obama 2 for the most part. if you love obama you will love hillary nt msongs Feb 2015 #30

Why debate that? Obama will never run again. Hillary seems as though she might. merrily Feb 2015 #50

And if you hate Obama ... you'll spend 8 more years complaining about Hillary on DU. JoePhilly Feb 2015 #53

Doubtful that she will win the general so probably much closeer to 8 months than 8 years. merrily Feb 2015 #60

As we say goodbye to the middle class. Why don't you guys admit you support the 1%? rhett o rick Feb 2015 #232

A little honesty from them WOULD be refreshing. Dragonfli Feb 2015 #299

Except with bigger cajones AgingAmerican Feb 2015 #126

Most excellent post merrily. Phlem Feb 2015 #36

Thank you, Phlem. merrily Feb 2015 #61

You have to excuse the 'centrists' and their lack of evidence to refute your OP. Rex Feb 2015 #38

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Feb 2015 #47

Thanks, Rex. So far, they seem to have error and ugly smears. But, I always hope for substantive merrily Feb 2015 #62

spot on, Rex annabanana Feb 2015 #96

Leopard can't change it's spots, no matter how many corps they dissolve. HRH still 3rd way / DLC on point Feb 2015 #43

KnR nt benz380 Feb 2015 #45

. stonecutter357 Feb 2015 #56

Well I just watched Hillary's Iraq war speech. zeemike Feb 2015 #57

The flag burning amendment is usually red meat (R)'s throw to their base, so I agree. merrily Feb 2015 #66

What does 'Etc.' stand for? Everyone else who disagrees with you? randome Feb 2015 #63

Does your post even make sense? merrily Feb 2015 #64

Possibly not. randome Feb 2015 #69

All the blathering from the Left is not going to matter one iota in Hillary's decision to run. Beacool Feb 2015 #65

My OP was full of quotes and links. And the right has proven its "blathering" skills often. merrily Feb 2015 #71

psst, merrily....... antigop Feb 2015 #116

Thanks! My, my I wonder if her state has an open primary? merrily Feb 2015 #160

New Jersey? antigop Feb 2015 #295

No clue, but thank you. merrily Feb 2015 #297

Oh, the insulting PUMA term. Beacool Feb 2015 #303

Which term would you prefer? merrily Feb 2015 #322

So, all Hillary supporters are PUMAS? Beacool Feb 2015 #368

Speaking of bull, I never said, and never would say, that all Hillary supporters are PUMAs. merrily Feb 2015 #428

Neither am I, sweets. Beacool Feb 2015 #479

how many PUMAs actually voted for Obama? nt antigop Feb 2015 #336

No clue. I think a lot of the so-called PUMAs were Republicans to begin with, but I als know some merrily Feb 2015 #341

Psst, genius...... Beacool Feb 2015 #302

"I cringe to think what would happen to the country if the Republicans get to control Congress AND LondonReign2 Feb 2015 #73

The OP is full of FACTS, not blathering. HappyMe Feb 2015 #78

I see a few facts then a lot of innuendos and bullcrap. Beacool Feb 2015 #304

Of course you don't see many facts. HappyMe Feb 2015 #330

Laugh all you want, but if Hillary runs she will win the nomination. Beacool Feb 2015 #370

Speaking of bullcrap, if you imagined you saw it in my OP, you probably should merrily Feb 2015 #429

DLC-style politics has already created a mountain of shit for us to clean up. jeff47 Feb 2015 #140

Electability is supposed to be the justification, but has anyone compared merrily Feb 2015 #148

IMO, it worked well in the 80's and 90's jeff47 Feb 2015 #190

Hatred of the left oozes from every comment by Hillary supporters. Marr Feb 2015 #169

Hatred of the left, while accusing the left of being the right. merrily Feb 2015 #198

No, we don't hate the Left. Beacool Feb 2015 #301

Another straw man. No one said she has no right to run in the primary, not the OP, not a single post merrily Feb 2015 #430

Something of interest for you. BlueCaliDem Feb 2015 #379

Thank you. Beacool Feb 2015 #382

A lot of Anti-Hillary people on DU these days. They'd rather have a Republican win BlueCaliDem Feb 2015 #473

The fact that so many here equate a Hillary presidency to that of a Republican one Beacool Feb 2015 #480

It would require an enormous suspension of disbelief! I know that anyone who is to the right of BlueCaliDem Feb 2015 #483

Thank you for that list. Beacool Feb 2015 #487

I just want t go on the record: I was not the alerter. merrily Feb 2015 #432

I never said or implied that you did. Beacool Feb 2015 #482

"her "racially tinged" 2008 campaign against Obama"???? McCamy Taylor Feb 2015 #68

You think its going to be a surprise to anyone? It was all over media in 2008. merrily Feb 2015 #75

Oh yeah, the media is always so fair and accurate. Beacool Feb 2015 #305

Except it was 2008 and there was audio and video of all the events that got to me. merrily Feb 2015 #321

Yeah, it tore at your delicate sensibilities. Beacool Feb 2015 #371

Wow. But not at yours? Not even enough to believe that it tore at mine? merrily Feb 2015 #376

Yes, let's look at it. AtomicKitten Feb 2015 #86

There is more. merrily Feb 2015 #100

yep, that's only for 2007/early 2008 AtomicKitten Feb 2015 #111

Thanks, Atomic. I appreciate the confirmations. merrily Feb 2015 #119

There is no denying they did the race baiting, it was wrong and it didnt help them, it hurt them. randys1 Feb 2015 #209

No, you don't have to believe that. And, it's pretty unlikely that she is going to make any merrily Feb 2015 #363

A corporatist by any other name... valerief Feb 2015 #81

Odd you choose to spend so much time on defaming and not promoting your candidate. great white snark Feb 2015 #82

None of this is defaming anyone, it is just the facts, and they are imporatant. Exultant Democracy Feb 2015 #87

Holy smokes! HappyMe Feb 2015 #88

You would think progressives are hip to the idea of having a choice. Rex Feb 2015 #102

They started a year and a half ago, HappyMe Feb 2015 #108

Who has called for unwavering support... brooklynite Feb 2015 #112

Chuck Schumer (D-Wall Street) MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #501

I see -- so 1 person = "they" brooklynite Feb 2015 #505

I noticed it IRL before Obama even got re-elected. merrily Feb 2015 #156

I did too. HappyMe Feb 2015 #162

Yes. I was told that it was simply that she was just that likeable. merrily Feb 2015 #171

lol! Yeah. HappyMe Feb 2015 #179

How dare you have fun with this! (Me, too) merrily Feb 2015 #194

Facts are not defamation-but your claim I defamed might well be. And she is nobody's candidate yet, merrily Feb 2015 #103

The Clintons have given speachs about the virtures of third way politics. It is a dirty word Exultant Democracy Feb 2015 #83

For distinction, are true progressives supposed to adopt a new label/term? Hope not. appalachiablue Feb 2015 #85

I know. The terminology thing is a bear. merrily Feb 2015 #152

But, as the ultimate "not as bad" candidate she shines. K&R Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2015 #91

LOL. and Thanks, Tierra. merrily Feb 2015 #173

K & R LiberalLovinLug Feb 2015 #97

Even if all of this OP is 100% correct and true, billh58 Feb 2015 #98

Is there really a difference between getting shit on jeff47 Feb 2015 #143

The primary hasn't begun. merrily Feb 2015 #181

I understand that we aren't even billh58 Feb 2015 #195

Posting is not campaigning, but campaigning against several Democrats is exactly what should happen merrily Feb 2015 #204

Your OP and your opinion billh58 Feb 2015 #225

Again, that comment applies to the general, not the primary, let alone the pre-primary. merrily Feb 2015 #226

The worst part is, Hillary isn't even electable. Marr Feb 2015 #308

That is my belief as well. Additionally, I am coming to think merrily Feb 2015 #316

You know, I think you've just nailed it on the hallowed cause of "electability." hedda_foil Feb 2015 #356

Dimson's administration and war may have done more to elect Democrats in 2006 and 2008 merrily Feb 2015 #369

Agree. I am coming to think electability is a shibboleth for some. merrily Feb 2015 #317

DSG turbinetree Feb 2015 #99

Great Source. Yeah, Ross Perot hailed Clinton as proof DLCers could win elections, too. merrily Feb 2015 #185

There are Democrats, and there are progressives. Hillary is not a progressive Democrat. leveymg Feb 2015 #104

Parry: Is Hillary a Neocon-Lite? antigop Feb 2015 #113

I've heard it referred to as "Neo Liberalism", I'm Phlem Feb 2015 #138

I don't know about that. As the OP states, the term "progressive" is not necessarily a synonym of merrily Feb 2015 #114

To further complicate things, there are "liberal internationalists" and "humanitarian interventions" leveymg Feb 2015 #120

You are way above my head. merrily Feb 2015 #186

great thread, merrily. The Third Way sycophants keep kicking it. nt antigop Feb 2015 #130

kick to show 'progressive' sycophant's disregard for historical accuracy wyldwolf Feb 2015 #134

Kicking rather than debating. cui bono Feb 2015 #151

I am NOT a progressive. merrily Feb 2015 #188

If it quacks like a duck... wyldwolf Feb 2015 #197

DU's right often quacks like Republican ducks, but never mind that. Define "progressive." merrily Feb 2015 #200

And anyone who posts like you do and denies being a 'progressive' lives in a fairy tale. wyldwolf Feb 2015 #257

So, no definition? Anyone who pretends the definition of "progressive" is self evident lives in a merrily Feb 2015 #259

I just gave you one - from your OP wyldwolf Feb 2015 #264

No that simply says "progressive" means different things to different people. merrily Feb 2015 #269

I love when right wingers try to make progessive a dirty term LondonReign2 Feb 2015 #242

Thanks, antigop. (Flailing and failing, it's been.) merrily Feb 2015 #187

Amazing! Geronimoe Feb 2015 #133

Thanks, Geronimoe! merrily Feb 2015 #189

No more centrists, no more Clinton/Bush....progressive candidates please. nt mother earth Feb 2015 #154

no more money reddread Feb 2015 #338

Note: PNAC isn't dead. It just morphed into the Foreign Policy Initiative. KamaAina Feb 2015 #168

Thanks KamaAina. merrily Feb 2015 #191

K&R ReRe Feb 2015 #182

i would like to see you spend as much time on the positive aspects of the Democratic party as what Thinkingabout Feb 2015 #183

!? Phlem Feb 2015 #184

I fucking love the Democratic Party, which is exactly why I reject DLC/Third Way. merrily Feb 2015 #192

Your love is insufficient. It must be unquestioning. neverforget Feb 2015 #298

I was, for a while. merrily Feb 2015 #323

Hilary, unlike Bill, has never been working class. hedda_foil Feb 2015 #365

Hillary's family may have been upper middle class, she and Bill was not in the upper middle Thinkingabout Feb 2015 #375

Attorneys are considered professional class, not "working class" And two attorneys working, even merrily Feb 2015 #433

How does attorneys get paid, by having clients, if you do not have a client base then you do not get Thinkingabout Feb 2015 #468

Did Hillary adopt a pit bull? Or open an Olive Garden? KamaAina Feb 2015 #193

The Third Way shut down the DLC after... Oilwellian Feb 2015 #196

Thank you. The calculation of how much the world's 1% profited from repeal of Glass Steagall is merrily Feb 2015 #199

They just changed the name from DLC to 3rd Way or New Democrats. bvar22 Feb 2015 #210

Also, No Labels, founded by a Bushite and a bunch of Clintonites. merrily Feb 2015 #218

Just like Blackwater -> Xe Services (2009) -> Academi (2011) cascadiance Feb 2015 #243

Yep. Haliburton, too. And grifters. merrily Feb 2015 #270

DLC derangement syndrome at its worst One of the 99 Feb 2015 #211

You didn't read the OP very well, if at all. It addressed dissolution of the DLC very early on. merrily Feb 2015 #214

Yet you are still using the DLC One of the 99 Feb 2015 #216

Again, you might try reading the OP before flinging around accusations. merrily Feb 2015 #217

I've read it One of the 99 Feb 2015 #219

If you read it, then you would know it's factual. merrily Feb 2015 #220

I know she was associated with the DLC. One of the 99 Feb 2015 #229

The DLC/Third Way/New Democrats are working to help the corporations steal the wealth from the rhett o rick Feb 2015 #237

No One of the 99 Feb 2015 #253

Do you have any evidence that HRC favors the 99% over the 1%? nm rhett o rick Feb 2015 #283

Never said that I did. One of the 99 Feb 2015 #285

perhaps you do not see DonCoquixote Feb 2015 #343

Never said that I didn't One of the 99 Feb 2015 #347

Sporting a Union avatar while championing the anti-Worker Third Way? n/t ieoeja Feb 2015 #361

Again never said that I did. One of the 99 Feb 2015 #374

there is one hundred percent DonCoquixote Feb 2015 #391

This is not about Hillary. One of the 99 Feb 2015 #393

"other people's ideas" in this case are to move the Democratic party LondonReign2 Feb 2015 #247

So you prove my point for me. One of the 99 Feb 2015 #254

You are having some comprehension difficulty LondonReign2 Feb 2015 #256

No difficulty at all. One of the 99 Feb 2015 #262

You don't want reminders that Hillary is Third Way. merrily Feb 2015 #268

No One of the 99 Feb 2015 #271

The purpose of the post was to show Hillary was Third Way. merrily Feb 2015 #275

Wasn't me. One of the 99 Feb 2015 #277

Politics is about ideology and, again, stating a fact is not demonizing. merrily Feb 2015 #279

Politics is about many things One of the 99 Feb 2015 #280

No, rejecting Third Way is having my own political viewpoint, not demonizing. merrily Feb 2015 #282

Yes it is One of the 99 Feb 2015 #284

Sigh. Another demonization of me from one of the blinded. merrily Feb 2015 #288

Weak comback. One of the 99 Feb 2015 #291

While your reply is potent? LOL! merrily Feb 2015 #293

While reply is potent????? One of the 99 Feb 2015 #294

do you consider it slightly ironic DonCoquixote Feb 2015 #345

When did I say I support the Clintons? One of the 99 Feb 2015 #348

there is compromise DonCoquixote Feb 2015 #400

Again you prove my point. One of the 99 Feb 2015 #404

LOL. You think it is ideological rigid to say that the Democratic Party should LondonReign2 Feb 2015 #385

Not the point I was making. One of the 99 Feb 2015 #386

Those advocating continuing to move the Democratic Oarty to the right to be LondonReign2 Feb 2015 #390

That's not what I'm advocating. One of the 99 Feb 2015 #392

Why would I keep an open mind about those advocating that the Democratic Party LondonReign2 Feb 2015 #396

Again that is not what I'm advocating. One of the 99 Feb 2015 #398

it is not blinders DonCoquixote Feb 2015 #401

It is blinders One of the 99 Feb 2015 #402

what IS my ideology? DonCoquixote Feb 2015 #406

Whatever it is you're lost in the weeds. One of the 99 Feb 2015 #439

and you miss an even greater point DonCoquixote Feb 2015 #508

No that's the smaller point One of the 99 Feb 2015 #510

Then what is it you are advocating? You seem unable to say LondonReign2 Feb 2015 #455

I have to repeat it because you're still not getting. One of the 99 Feb 2015 #463

Circular spambot LondonReign2 Feb 2015 #467

If that's the case One of the 99 Feb 2015 #470

Again, there was no demonization. She is associated with the DLC/Third Way. It's a fact. merrily Feb 2015 #267

So it is the board's fault??? One of the 99 Feb 2015 #272

Huh? Can you link me to posts of yours that solve problems? merrily Feb 2015 #273

Could have fooled me One of the 99 Feb 2015 #274

So, no link to posts of yours that solve real life problems? merrily Feb 2015 #281

You keep changing the subject. One of the 99 Feb 2015 #286

No, I simply keep trying to hold you to what you posted. And again, you are flinging accusations merrily Feb 2015 #289

How are you holding me to what I posted? One of the 99 Feb 2015 #292

"A true progressive is not threatened by other people's ideas." Another absurd statment Exultant Democracy Feb 2015 #384

Only absurd to those blinded by their ideology. One of the 99 Feb 2015 #387

Your blanket statement married to a true Scotsman fallacy make it absurd, Exultant Democracy Feb 2015 #409

And so you too resort to insults. One of the 99 Feb 2015 #440

Circular argument spambot LondonReign2 Feb 2015 #456

More insults? One of the 99 Feb 2015 #466

Once again not an insult, just a factual note on style and rhetoric. Exultant Democracy Feb 2015 #485

What facts have I called lies? One of the 99 Feb 2015 #490

Acorn was assasinated, the DLC metastasized.You stament is either stupid, misleading Exultant Democracy Feb 2015 #383

And you resort to insults One of the 99 Feb 2015 #388

Or people that can't abide stupidity and lies. Exultant Democracy Feb 2015 #394

More insults One of the 99 Feb 2015 #397

You compared ACORN to the DLC, there is no arguing logically with that type of nonsense. Exultant Democracy Feb 2015 #408

So you missed the point again. One of the 99 Feb 2015 #441

It is a laughable comparison, one of the dumbest I've ever seen. Exultant Democracy Feb 2015 #484

But it's not a comparison of the two organizations One of the 99 Feb 2015 #491

You seem not to understand I know what you are tyring to do, your just wrong in every way. Exultant Democracy Feb 2015 #493

You don't know what I'm trying to do. One of the 99 Feb 2015 #494

Pot. Kettle. You insulted me mindlessly again and again and never made any argument at all, merrily Feb 2015 #434

I made an argument against blind demonization. One of the 99 Feb 2015 #443

No you didn't. You just kept accusing me of having demonized Hillary, which was pure 100 proof bs. merrily Feb 2015 #450

But wasn't that the whole point of your OP One of the 99 Feb 2015 #464

You my friend, have the patience of a saint. I don't know how you do it. There's not Guy Whitey Corngood Feb 2015 #497

Thank you for calling me a friend! I consider you one as well. merrily Feb 2015 #498

Not disingenuous One of the 99 Feb 2015 #500

Right back at 'cha. Not to take anything away from Skittles and risk her wrath. But Guy Whitey Corngood Feb 2015 #506

Aw. Thanks. Sometimes, I do lose my patience. Then I take a break. merrily Feb 2015 #507

Litmus test DonCoquixote Feb 2015 #399

Thanks for proving my point. nt One of the 99 Feb 2015 #403

by stating that some of us DonCoquixote Feb 2015 #405

Once again this is not about Hillary. One of the 99 Feb 2015 #444

Here's a clue -- you HAVE no fucking point LondonReign2 Feb 2015 #457

Now you resort to cursing. One of the 99 Feb 2015 #465

Too fucking bad LondonReign2 Feb 2015 #469

I want them to be open minded about solutions to problem One of the 99 Feb 2015 #471

You prove my point. Your ideological blinder keep you from being open minded LondonReign2 Feb 2015 #478

This is not about specific policy points and never was. One of the 99 Feb 2015 #492

Nothing is wrong with litmus tests. merrily Feb 2015 #435

Yes there is. One of the 99 Feb 2015 #446

depends on what you want DONE DonCoquixote Feb 2015 #509

Have fun playing the victum One of the 99 Feb 2015 #511

it is not "just as unreasonable" DonCoquixote Feb 2015 #512

You can't see the forest for the trees. One of the 99 Feb 2015 #513

the greater point DonCoquixote Feb 2015 #516

The greater point that you've missed One of the 99 Feb 2015 #517

because DonCoquixote Feb 2015 #518

No, because One of the 99 Feb 2015 #519

if by ideological blinders you mean DonCoquixote Feb 2015 #520

oh and by the way DonCoquixote Feb 2015 #521

This was never about Hillary. One of the 99 Feb 2015 #523

Wow you still don't get it. One of the 99 Feb 2015 #522

Brava! MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #221

Thank you! Yep, you heard correctly. merrily Feb 2015 #222

Well Done merrily.. 2banon Feb 2015 #223

Thank you so much. merrily Feb 2015 #224

Bottom line is ...too many Dems are way too willing to suck up to the 1% oligarchy to win. L0oniX Feb 2015 #231

Also, way too many politicians ARE the 1% oligarchy merrily Feb 2015 #233

Why is it we need Hillary so badly? Yeah, she's had some experience, but where does her loyalty lie? YOHABLO Feb 2015 #236

To the Top of the Greatest Page. woo me with science Feb 2015 #239

recommended Ramses Feb 2015 #249

Thank you! merrily Feb 2015 #250

K & R GoneFishin Feb 2015 #261

, blkmusclmachine Feb 2015 #276

Yep. It's almost time for the Democratic primary to begin. merrily Feb 2015 #278

K&R nt raouldukelives Feb 2015 #296

Excellent OP dreamnightwind Feb 2015 #306

aw, thank you so much! And, yes, we need a number of ideological alternatives in a primary. merrily Feb 2015 #324

Good OP Merrily, It is true of course and facts help inform decisions Dragonfli Feb 2015 #307

I agree as to the fiscal policies. The goal seems to me to have been to get us to focus on social merrily Feb 2015 #320

The DLC has made a class war out of this society since its inception in the mid-eighties mrdmk Feb 2015 #309

It's time the 99% stopped supporting corrupt governments. merrily Feb 2015 #325

Hear, hear, time for the B.S. to end mrdmk Feb 2015 #367

The DLC realized the jig was up so they did what Conservatives do... Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2015 #310

K&R! This post should have hundreds of recommendations! Enthusiast Feb 2015 #335

It should!! RiverLover Feb 2015 #337

You're welcome RiverLover, and thank you. merrily Feb 2015 #349

Ha! Darnit! I was trying to be subtle. RiverLover Feb 2015 #422

Thank you. merrily Feb 2015 #342

It's got 131 recs now. I hope it gets hundreds. Enthusiast Feb 2015 #350

It's fun... sendero Feb 2015 #339

Thank you. merrily Feb 2015 #346

Two political parties picking over bones of the middle class and below. They are never satisfied... whereisjustice Feb 2015 #344

Sadly, I think the bottom rungs are largely ignored. merrily Feb 2015 #351

Lets keep it simple... BrainDrain Feb 2015 #355

Many seem to have voted their personal political ambition. merrily Feb 2015 #357

Moral outrage is a good thing, selective outrage, not so much... DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #358

agreed... BrainDrain Feb 2015 #372

Are they running? I realize both have been mentioned as possibly maybe merrily Feb 2015 #437

The words of a DLC founder. Get corporate money then won't need the people. madfloridian Feb 2015 #378

Translation: fuck unions? merrily Feb 2015 #380

Of course DonCoquixote Feb 2015 #407

Thanks. Unions were huge for my parents when I was growing up and that seems to have gotten them merrily Feb 2015 #410

More madfloridian Feb 2015 #381

What are synonyms for political charades? reddread Feb 2015 #431

I am not sure how to answer because the question went over my head. Sorry. merrily Feb 2015 #436

I'll have to pass, Alex. reddread Feb 2015 #438

. merrily Feb 2015 #442

Did you stumble? madokie Feb 2015 #448

Please see Reply 412. merrily Feb 2015 #449

Naw madokie Feb 2015 #453

Hope it goes well. I sure wish I were handier. merrily Feb 2015 #454

Hillary is to "progressive" what decaf is to Coffee. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2015 #495

500 responses! Holy crap! MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #502

Thanks. I tend to reply to posters who reply to me, though I've now stopped with several, merrily Feb 2015 #503

kick woo me with science Feb 2015 #514

..... merrily Feb 2015 #515

Recommend.... KoKo Mar 2015 #524

bumping this dreamnightwind Jul 2015 #525

What's up with the headline? HassleCat Jul 2015 #526

I think the OP, if you follow all the links, supports the headlne. merrily Jul 2015 #527

K&R SamKnause Jul 2015 #529