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RiffRandell

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201. I caught on during the porn wars which I stayed out of as it seemed

Sat Feb 14, 2015, 09:49 PM

Feb 2015

useless, but yes, I was the catalyst for the SI cover last year.

I was in a silly mood as in my part of the woods we had unexpected storms where kids were home all week and my husband came home from an international trip.

Made friends, enemies but no regrets.

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Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Issue Model Defends Cover As Empowering [View all] NaturalHigh Feb 2015 OP

yes! Beaverhausen Feb 2015 #1

Certainly it empowered her bank account. n/t PoliticAverse Feb 2015 #2

Undoubtedly. NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #3

Good for her. nt RiffRandell Feb 2015 #6

And her fame Auggie Feb 2015 #8

This message was self-deleted by its author big_dog Feb 2015 #20

+1 it is not empowering for women generally treestar Feb 2015 #52

you don't give society enough credit snooper2 Feb 2015 #165

Who is there and where did she get the wig? treestar Feb 2015 #173

you really don't know the greatness that is Kathy Griffin? snooper2 Feb 2015 #178

The last time I felt "empowered" and started to pull down my pants, I GummyBearz Feb 2015 #181

Empowering for whom and how? Spider Jerusalem Feb 2015 #4

It's her quote, not mine. NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #9

I don't doubt it's empowering for her. kcr Feb 2015 #53

I agree and will defend a woman's right to control her own body every time. InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2015 #149

No, you are speaking for her. RiffRandell Feb 2015 #11

I'm not, actually, speaking for her. Spider Jerusalem Feb 2015 #12

She never said that, but if were questioned she could answer like RiffRandell Feb 2015 #16

Except she did in fact say that. Spider Jerusalem Feb 2015 #17

Please! RiffRandell Feb 2015 #19

she's presuming to speak for other women. and to decide they're not feminists if they disagree ND-Dem Feb 2015 #105

Well damn... one_voice Feb 2015 #118

right, that's exactly what i said. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #121

You should give her a call and explain this in detail snooper2 Feb 2015 #168

personal attack on the poster is a good way to demonstrate one's lack of an argument ND-Dem Feb 2015 #176

grass is greener on the other side of the moon snooper2 Feb 2015 #179

Why? Why is she not allowed to have an opinion on what constitutes objectification, but others are? Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #58

What does it matter? Okay, so she's "allowed" to have that opinion. kcr Feb 2015 #66

I also don't see how bagging on the damn magazine endlessly is going to empower those women, either. Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #80

If swimsuit models were paid less and ordinary women workers were paid more, it would be empowering. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #108

It would also have less than nothing to do with the point in question. Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #114

They are genetic anomalies...which is why woolldog Feb 2015 #115

um...no. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #122

No what? Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #123

those fake grapefruits have nothing to do with genetics. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #133

Au contraire Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #148

try saline and plastic bags. which is why they look so preternaturally round and sharp edged. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #154

You spend way too much time looking at SI covers snooper2 Feb 2015 #169

attack the poster is always a good way to demonstrate one's lack of an argument ND-Dem Feb 2015 #175

Actually, yes. NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #126

Thank you! smirkymonkey Feb 2015 #159

Well, when you think about it Bobbie Jo Feb 2015 #160

I look at it like this. NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #195

Nothing pertaining to this topic is ever that simple for people to grasp. RiffRandell Feb 2015 #199

I know, but you would think that progressives... NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #200

I caught on during the porn wars which I stayed out of as it seemed RiffRandell Feb 2015 #201

You were the catalyst for the 2014 SI wars? NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #202

Not in a good way, though. RiffRandell Feb 2015 #203

Yeah, while she's young and pretty. smirkymonkey Feb 2015 #205

When she's older and babysitting her grandchildren... NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #209

yes, I'm sure models are the only people featured in sports illustrated Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #210

I don't think so. She was responding to the statement as presented in the OP. Hekate Feb 2015 #96

What constitutes more "experienced?" RiffRandell Feb 2015 #99

You funny. I'm old enough to be her grandma, and I've lived and observed my whole life. Hekate Feb 2015 #104

Her life on her terms, that's empowerment. pintobean Feb 2015 #158

Well, maybe she feels sexy, healthy, and happy. Saboburns Feb 2015 #15

so you're saying that in order to feel that way, one must appear mostly naked in a men's magazine? ND-Dem Feb 2015 #109

But it's on someone else's terms. alarimer Feb 2015 #162

"I don't know why people keep ignoring the elephant in the room" Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #174

Maybe you're correct Saboburns Feb 2015 #188

I think what is truly "problematic" is self-appointed arbiters of morality trying to tell consenting Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #24

Appalling. RiffRandell Feb 2015 #5

I feel empowered too. Katashi_itto Feb 2015 #7

LOL! LondonReign2 Feb 2015 #93

Huh... one_voice Feb 2015 #10

Isn't it? RiffRandell Feb 2015 #21

Indeed. I read things... one_voice Feb 2015 #50

Apparently the whole "choice" thing only goes so far for some. NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #59

I can't even explain as somehow we'll be mocked. RiffRandell Feb 2015 #71

Not to our 'faces' we won't be... one_voice Feb 2015 #102

So awesome! RiffRandell Feb 2015 #103

thanks! one_voice Feb 2015 #119

Sometimes referred to as "controlling the gaze" by women's studies types... HereSince1628 Feb 2015 #13

the models don't control where and at what men look. they're low on the totem pole. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #110

Whatever... when I wrote that it seemed the point of view was missing from the discussion HereSince1628 Feb 2015 #161

The models aren't 'controlling the gaze'. They don't own the media, they don't set up the shots, ND-Dem Feb 2015 #180

But they DO choose to work in the industry HereSince1628 Feb 2015 #183

please link me to any claims of slavery for SI swimsuit models. Models are the least powerful ND-Dem Feb 2015 #186

If anyone finds sexy naked or near-naked pics of me on usenet... hunter Feb 2015 #14

I looked just like Andy Gibb in my younger days. Now it's more like Andy Rooney. nt benz380 Feb 2015 #23

There are naked daguerrotypes of me out there, somewhere Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #26

They're not coming. Chellee Feb 2015 #31

I think the pony was spooked by something he saw Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #63

Don't frighten the horses! Comrade Grumpy Feb 2015 #131

You are tempting me. hunter Feb 2015 #33

Nothin' wrong with being preserved, artistically, in the old prime. Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #55

Two of my high school classmates were featured in Playboy, and one in Penthouse. hunter Feb 2015 #92

Oh, puh-leeze. Laffy Kat Feb 2015 #18

Care to elaborate? NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #22

Not really because I will be raked over the coals. Laffy Kat Feb 2015 #72

I truly can't see how this magazine cover hurts anyone. NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #76

Obviously. Is that why you felt compelled to bring it to everyone's attention? Laffy Kat Feb 2015 #78

I wanted to reiterate that this woman... NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #81

Well, she obviously doesn't know what she's saying. Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #25

She's hoping for a pat on the head. NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #27

She's hoping no one will notice Warpy Feb 2015 #30

What are we supposed to "get"? NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #34

empowerment is a subjective concept. At most basic level, "empowerment" shakes out to Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #51

Women on the "M' side of "S&M" find that to be an empowering experience also. n/t DebJ Feb 2015 #137

Do they? Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #147

LOL HereSince1628 Feb 2015 #36

Well... she's a model. Marr Feb 2015 #28

+1000. I'm sure the $$ helped make it empowering as well nt riderinthestorm Feb 2015 #44

Yeah, like it's empowering dhol82 Feb 2015 #29

You think she bought them? NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #32

Ummmmmmm dhol82 Feb 2015 #35

I consider myself a pretty good judge of such things... NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #37

Don't care how young you are dhol82 Feb 2015 #39

Well, I've seen my fair share. NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #40

What did they look like? dhol82 Feb 2015 #43

Let me think how to put this... NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #45

Well dhol82 Feb 2015 #46

LOL...I can't argue with the lost youth part.... NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #47

I agree with Naturalhigh--- I've seen them up close too. Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #82

You're right. prayin4rain Feb 2015 #153

you need to get out of the boonies and walk around in a city sometime snooper2 Feb 2015 #170

Um - not sure what you think you are saying dhol82 Feb 2015 #189

yes. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #113

If I were a parent I would not want them to see that cover. leftyladyfrommo Feb 2015 #38

Agree dhol82 Feb 2015 #41

It is sad. leftyladyfrommo Feb 2015 #48

"they are too young and na�ve to see just how they are being used"... NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #54

Ummm, yeah dhol82 Feb 2015 #60

"When men do the same thing they are judged poorly also"... NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #73

OK dhol82 Feb 2015 #75

This is the calendar I've bought the last couple years tammywammy Feb 2015 #84

I see nothing wrong with it. NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #85

agreed. tammywammy Feb 2015 #86

I think I need that calandar. one_voice Feb 2015 #90

I've bought it for myself and given it as a gift. tammywammy Feb 2015 #98

Nice pix dhol82 Feb 2015 #157

the career athlete will also likely have a short career. and despite the big bucks, most players ND-Dem Feb 2015 #112

Those professions really are a lot alike. leftyladyfrommo Feb 2015 #164

That's undoubtedly true. NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #198

I know, at 25 years old we need to take her under our wing and teach her more snooper2 Feb 2015 #171

When someone says they're not a prude melman Feb 2015 #49

Excellent dhol82 Feb 2015 #56

If that's "gynecological", it's the most non-invasive gynecological exam I've ever heard of. Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #61

Referred to pix dhol82 Feb 2015 #64

I know, so am I. Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #65

Sorry dhol82 Feb 2015 #69

I think the anecdotal horrified parent in the supermarket checkout line thing is overplayed. Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #79

aging men appear to be pro-'empowerment'. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #116

I disagree. Babies dying of measels is sad. Fundamentalists murdering cartoonists is sad. Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #57

OK dhol82 Feb 2015 #62

You are also a prude Augustus Feb 2015 #70

Looks like he can be added dhol82 Feb 2015 #74

I'm sorry to say that you are a prude Augustus Feb 2015 #68

No problem dhol82 Feb 2015 #77

Well said, Hannah LittleBlue Feb 2015 #42

porn! porn! porn! porn! WhaTHellsgoingonhere Feb 2015 #67

It didn't used to be 'empowering' to feminisits for women to show off skin; ND-Dem Feb 2015 #83

It's certainly not for me to decide... NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #87

I don't think it's sad at all. Children being bombed is sad. People starving is sad. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #107

You're absolutely right. NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #141

no, it's not a bit sad. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #143

LOL...okay. Thanks for that bit of "education." NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #152

I guess the flesh trade can be empowering to prayin4rain Feb 2015 #88

Well, I fail to see how it has any NEGATIVE effects. NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #91

I have never understood why some feminists believe .... MicaelS Feb 2015 #89

It's the Andrea Dworkin syndrome. NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #97

Where the fuck were you last year when I got hammered RiffRandell Feb 2015 #101

I got in on the SI wars late last year. NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #117

I'll forgive you as I like you. RiffRandell Feb 2015 #167

Thank you very much! NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #185

the andrea dworkin syndrome is fat middle-aged male pornography consumers' pretense that all ND-Dem Feb 2015 #120

Well, I don't actually watch pornography. NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #124

Quite interesting and telling you had to throw in the "fat" eptihet. n/t MicaelS Feb 2015 #128

i found the dworkin reference quite interesting and telling as well. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #129

I thought it was very accurate. NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #130

i assumed you would. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #132

I have never understood people who think women have *ever* had veto power over other women. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #106

I don't think I should have veto power. But I do have, and will continue to always have DebJ Feb 2015 #136

You pretty much hit the nail on the head. HappyMe Feb 2015 #182

that is not the point treestar Feb 2015 #184

"Choices men don't have to make." NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #197

Holy cow treestar Feb 2015 #206

Who says women can't be the best artists or scientists? NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #208

Is it time for the annual SI Swimsuit issue wars so soon? LondonReign2 Feb 2015 #94

Yeah, sure it is. I don't think it's "degrading," but all it does is use sex to sell whatever... Hekate Feb 2015 #95

my thing is CatWoman Feb 2015 #100

Empowering for her if she says so; made me want to barf closeupready Feb 2015 #111

Sigh. I remember when I was an empowered sex object. hunter Feb 2015 #125

LOL...my "selfie" would undoubtedly be hidden. NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #127

There are pictures of my naked hot young self on the internet... hunter Feb 2015 #151

I hope to live long enough to see a discussion on here about a man in such a pose on the SI cover. DebJ Feb 2015 #134

I can guarantee you won't see... NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #138

To be honest, if you read my other comments, I don't think much of them myself. DebJ Feb 2015 #140

Of course you're entitled to your opinion... NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #150

We do seem to be going thru a wierd nudity thing leftyladyfrommo Feb 2015 #166

Men do pose in sexually-suggestive ways in magazines davidn3600 Feb 2015 #139

Good catch! When I clicked on it, the one in the top row far right DebJ Feb 2015 #142

Because no one cares when a male model does it davidn3600 Feb 2015 #146

That's a great point. You hit the nail on the head. NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #193

actually, supposedly playgirl was for men more than women -- had more male subscribers. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #145

We have been taught from the cradle treestar Feb 2015 #207

We are also taught to respect women as people. NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #211

Of course she'll defend it...she posed for it! Catherine Vincent Feb 2015 #135

The buyers and sellers will both defend it. prayin4rain Feb 2015 #144

Why? NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #192

It's a nice picture. PeteSelman Feb 2015 #155

Me either. polly7 Feb 2015 #156

Look, it is a magazine Bettie Feb 2015 #163

I suppose in some small way it is. Orsino Feb 2015 #172

How is it the opposite of empowerment? NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #191

Seriously. It is what it is. Her pose clearly invites viewers Ninga Feb 2015 #177

Her first modeling shoot was done at my buddy's pool AngryAmish Feb 2015 #187

Are you being serious? NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #190

Yes. but it wasn't my pool. AngryAmish Feb 2015 #204

Meanwhile, my fundy SIL went ballistic over the "pornographic" swimsuit issue Ex Lurker Feb 2015 #194

I know it's a stereotype... NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #196