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117. That's about the only thing that can save us at this point

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Sun Feb 15, 2015, 04:09 AM

Feb 2015

We need someone with a charisma and presence so great, in a way like the Roosevelts, that they can literally mobilize Americans to defeat the rich and moneyed interests. Americans are really thirsty for leadership.

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Is there a disconnect between DU and the rest of America? [View all] Drunken Irishman Feb 2015 OP

Meh. blkmusclmachine Feb 2015 #1

+1 madokie Feb 2015 #27

Ask those polled how well they understand the connection between repeal of Glass Steagall and near merrily Feb 2015 #2

I'm not concerned about his popularity... Drunken Irishman Feb 2015 #5

Well, the title asks about a disconnect between DU and the rest of the nation, then merrily Feb 2015 #7

I ask to prove a point. Drunken Irishman Feb 2015 #8

Yes, that was obvious. merrily Feb 2015 #9

I think, whoever wins the nomination, is going to have a fight... Drunken Irishman Feb 2015 #14

No one is pretending anything. Why would I? I have stated my sincere views. merrily Feb 2015 #77

I disagree with your disagreement... Drunken Irishman Feb 2015 #78

You already said both those things and I've already responded to both, merrily Feb 2015 #79

Yes... Drunken Irishman Feb 2015 #80

Okay. Do you want the tactic to shift? If so, do you have any thoughts on how to shift it? merrily Feb 2015 #81

I think getting behind someone who articulates the narrative well and has charisma is a start. Drunken Irishman Feb 2015 #84

Do you mind answering the questions I asked? merrily Feb 2015 #101

I did. If you don't understand that's your own fault. Drunken Irishman Feb 2015 #115

No. (Dn't be rude.) I asked if you wanted to shift things. Twice, you did not answer that part. merrily Feb 2015 #116

You asked me... Drunken Irishman Feb 2015 #118

I would say that the left needs to find/build its donors and power structure or it cannot find merrily Feb 2015 #119

Please see Reply 101 merrily Feb 2015 #112

PS 3 am here. I will have to return another time. merrily Feb 2015 #82

"if you're going to beat the Clintons" Dawgs Feb 2015 #36

I agree with that - but I think she's still going to be tough to beat. Drunken Irishman Feb 2015 #58

IF she is the nominee, she certainly can be beaten. merrily Feb 2015 #75

The problem is that elected Democratic politicians seldom, very seldom, try to "sell their ideology" stillwaiting Feb 2015 #17

ding ding ding, we have a winner RedstDem Feb 2015 #15

None of the differences matter if the non-DUers vote -- which they do. pnwmom Feb 2015 #64

I missed where I claimed DUers are the only Americans who vote or that their votes count more. merrily Feb 2015 #73

+100 btrflykng9 Feb 2015 #74

I was out of town and did not check in with DU for a few days. I just checked the "News." JDPriestly Feb 2015 #85

+1. Not long ago, my kid had to memorize who's in the Cabinet now. winter is coming Feb 2015 #110

Short answer? Yes. Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #3

Jimmy Carter wanted to take the US to an alternative energy future Fumesucker Feb 2015 #4

He also kept us out a fucking Middle East War and got the hostages back alive. merrily Feb 2015 #12

Possibly it could be... uriel1972 Feb 2015 #6

When was the last poll taken of DU to rank Presidents? Capt. Obvious Feb 2015 #10

Mainstream corporate media causes disconnect RiverLover Feb 2015 #11

I don't think much is gained.... uriel1972 Feb 2015 #16

True RiverLover Feb 2015 #18

heh uriel1972 Feb 2015 #19

I don't blame you, actually, but its hard to argue... RiverLover Feb 2015 #22

If religion was the opiate of the masses... uriel1972 Feb 2015 #23

I'm stealing your line olddots Feb 2015 #70

Yep. Some people like to be informed of current events and new discoveries. raouldukelives Feb 2015 #42

There's a very simple answer... brooklynite Feb 2015 #13

True we self-selecting... uriel1972 Feb 2015 #20

Not getting your policy doesn't equate to being throw under the bus... brooklynite Feb 2015 #26

so are leftist extremists the ideological fringe of the Democratic Party? reddread Feb 2015 #28

Broadly, yes... brooklynite Feb 2015 #29

cart before the horse, kind of handy except the way you keep whipping the cart reddread Feb 2015 #32

Again--not the point of the OP brooklynite Feb 2015 #33

it is when you assert extreme leftist activist commandoes arent attuned reddread Feb 2015 #34

Whatever the correct simple answer might be, it does not appear in your post. merrily Feb 2015 #21

The OP compares DU to the "rest of America" brooklynite Feb 2015 #24

everyone shares the same self interest of survival and prosperity reddread Feb 2015 #37

Barring a terrorist attack here, God help us, America will look pretty much the way it does now... DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #44

20/20 foresight reddread Feb 2015 #55

Nope that is not true, either. As I have posted before, when polled about ideas, instead of merrily Feb 2015 #39

Polling is not voting... brooklynite Feb 2015 #49

Yup. Perception trumps reality nearly all the time. Drunken Irishman Feb 2015 #60

Trying to chase Lisa's vote with policy is a fool's errand. She isn't voting on policy TheKentuckian Feb 2015 #67

That, ultimately, is the point. Drunken Irishman Feb 2015 #71

I don't disdain "Lisa's vote" be glad to have it but the silly "centrist" pitch isn't going to land TheKentuckian Feb 2015 #104

I don't think you're getting what I am saying. Drunken Irishman Feb 2015 #108

+1 ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #25

You appear to be saying you are a contrarian.. Fumesucker Feb 2015 #59

On most topics ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #72

Your average person doesn't see the world through an ideological lens. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #90

Exactly. .... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #93

Well said One of the 99 Feb 2015 #97

Yes, of course Godhumor Feb 2015 #30

I can't speak for DU. LWolf Feb 2015 #31

Because most DUers are better informed... 99Forever Feb 2015 #35

As far as I'm concerned... Stellar Feb 2015 #38

Simple. DU'ers tend to be a lot more educated and aware of the issues n2doc Feb 2015 #40

Well, opinions in self-selecting subsets, especially if small, tend to depart from the whole HereSince1628 Feb 2015 #41

People should be much, much, much, much...much more worried about losing the White House in 2016 DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #43

And it's a very tough thing for a party to maintain the presidency over 3 terms HereSince1628 Feb 2015 #48

I'm well aware of that and it strikes me as more of a historical artifact. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #50

Do you know what states are 'the blue wall?" The article suggests upper midwest HereSince1628 Feb 2015 #61

WI is pretty atypical demographically than the rest of the nation DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #62

That's not my question, my question was about WI being part of the blue wall HereSince1628 Feb 2015 #63

18 states + the District Of Columbia have voted Democratic in the past six presidential elections DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #65

Dems are at an advantage in Presidential elections... Cali_Democrat Feb 2015 #76

See Posts Fifty And Sixty Five DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #88

Very good points One of the 99 Feb 2015 #98

In the present circumstance the White House and the judiciary are the only entities... DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #99

Totally agree. One of the 99 Feb 2015 #100

Yes very much so. William769 Feb 2015 #45

Two disconnects: DU/mainstream, mainstream/reality Yorktown Feb 2015 #46

If 61% rate Reagan as "outstanding" then being out of step rurallib Feb 2015 #47

Carter has done more for humanity since leaving office than any other President liberal N proud Feb 2015 #51

Yes, but no Proud Public Servant Feb 2015 #52

The rest of America is tainted.. Matrosov Feb 2015 #53

The mid-'70s had its problems deutsey Feb 2015 #54

Image and nostalgia are indeed the big drivers of Clinton popularity. Orsino Feb 2015 #56

democratic UNDERGROUND. We're countercultural first, Democrats second. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2015 #57

America likes St. Ronald of Rayguns even more so. Seems meaningless to me. TheKentuckian Feb 2015 #66

Yes. Almost everyone here is a policy wonk of some sort. The rest of the population-- eridani Feb 2015 #68

Why are like 75% of callers to CSPAN right wingers? joshcryer Feb 2015 #83

Every single "far left" policy wonk that I know is a strategic voter eridani Feb 2015 #86

Yet a thread advocating not voting for Clinton... joshcryer Feb 2015 #87

Liberals and moderates are mostly not crabby old white people eridani Feb 2015 #120

The disconnect gets even spookier when the question of what motivates KingCharlemagne Feb 2015 #91

I think there is a disconnect with some usernames and reality. Rex Feb 2015 #69

Does the Pope wear a hat? :) - nt KingCharlemagne Feb 2015 #89

DU is more upset about the SI swimsuit cover than most of the US. Orrex Feb 2015 #92

Even then, it's a pretty small HappyMe Feb 2015 #94

I had one DUer who is actively involved in political campaigns tell me directly davidpdx Feb 2015 #95

What compelling reason do you have for us to mirror the rest of the country? DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2015 #96

The real question is there a disconnect between DU and most Dems? One of the 99 Feb 2015 #102

I think your analysis was excellent and spot on... guillaumeb Feb 2015 #103

+1 I don't know if "like" is the correct word. Corporate media favors the right over the left merrily Feb 2015 #114

"America" has a life. DU has an agenda. Clinton haters have a huge agenda. McCamy Taylor Feb 2015 #105

Thoughtful answer to a thoughtful OP Hekate Feb 2015 #106

Thoughtful post, DI Hekate Feb 2015 #107

As a general rule, political websites attract those further from the political center. Algernon Moncrieff Feb 2015 #109

Do you have a link to support that, or is it a matter of your opinion/impression? merrily Feb 2015 #111

Christie? Oh man, we have this one in the bag. McCamy Taylor Feb 2015 #113

That's about the only thing that can save us at this point AZ Progressive Feb 2015 #117