Not this Third Way garbage again. Neoliberals shit on women and poor people. (Reply #19)

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Sun Feb 15, 2015, 08:43 AM

19. Not this Third Way garbage again. Neoliberals shit on women and poor people.

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Actually, they do more than shit on them. They drive them into grinding poverty and despair, and they murder them. Austerity and looting hurt all human beings, but they harm marginalized groups including women and minorities most of all.

Probably the *most* revolting, dishonest lie of Third Way politicians is their shameless, outrageous claim to be the ones who *especially* care about poor people and women and minorities....even while they are aggressively and relentlessly dismantling the very democratic systems that allow minority groups to be empowered. The growth of authoritarianism and rampant inequality, and the destruction of democratic protections for the people, are NEVER compatible with protection of civil rights for minorities. Look at history, for god's sake. Look at the ACTUAL results of policy.

Hillary stands for the malignant corporatism that is, quite literally, dismantling our Bill of Rights, implementing mass surveillance, criminalizing investigative journalism and whistleblowing, looting the masses into poverty, and protecting a criminal, warmongering elite. Her "trade agreements" are antidemocratic and fascistic at their core, because they are *designed* to allow predatory corporations to override our ability to use our own democratic systems to defend ourselves against predatory corporatism.

Predatory corporatism harms all of us, but it ravages disadvantaged groups most of all.

Women Facing Globalization: The Impact Of Neo-liberal Globalization On The Economic, Social And Cultural Rights Of Women
http://www.awid.org/Library/Women-Facing-Globalization-The-impact-of-neo-liberal-globalization-on-the-economic-social-and-cultural-rights-of-women

Neoliberalism’s Deleterious Effects on Women
https://genderandsocs13.wordpress.com/2013/03/03/neoliberalisms-deleterious-effects-on-women/

NEOLIBERALISM THRHOUGH THE EYES OF WOMEN
http://focusweb.org/publications/2001/neoliberalism-through-the-eyes-of-women.html

Racial Aspects of Economy are Significant for White House to Address
http://www.alternet.org/speakeasy/2010/07/28/racial-aspects-of-economy-are-significant-for-white-house-to-address

The Astonishing Collapse of Black and Latino Household Wealth
http://www.alternet.org/economy/black-and-latino-household-wealth-has-collapsed

The Roots of the Widening Racial Wealth Gap: Explaining the Black-White Economic Divide
http://iasp.brandeis.edu/pdfs/Author/shapiro-thomas-m/racialwealthgapbrief.pdf

Wealth Gaps Rise to Record Highs Between Whites, Blacks and Hispanics
http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/files/2011/07/SDT-Wealth-Report_7-26-11_FINAL.pdf

The truth is that women and minorities can't afford more corporatism and are already dying because of it. The effects of *continued* corporate warfare on this nation and other nations will be a disaster for all human beings, but *especially* women and minorities.

It's all a viciously cynical rhetorical game, and the corporate propaganda doesn't fly anymore. The Third Way will not protect values of racial *or* gender equality by supporting candidates whose policies are dismantling the very economic and democratic systems that make it possible for women and minorities to be empowered. They certainly won't do it with policies like Obama's and Hillary's that protect bankers, starve schools and communities, grow exploitative industries including private prisons, and militarize the hell out of police in marginalized communities.

If people think things are bad now, just wait until we see the status of women and minorities in this country when we are all working for Third World wages, Hillary's trade agreements have ramped up corporate power and the ability of predatory corporations to override our democratic laws and protections, and dissent in the new corporate America has been crushed.

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121 replies	Author	Time	Post
Clinton Not Progressive Enough? Depends Upon What You Mean By Progressive [View all]	McCamy Taylor	Feb 2015	OP
Thank you for this post. Hillary Clinton 2016	misterhighwasted	Feb 2015	#1
People want her to be "economically progressive."	joshcryer	Feb 2015	#2
I hope you're wrong. That would mean all they want is revenge for losing their houses and jobs.	McCamy Taylor	Feb 2015	#3
What they don't understand is social policy is economic policy.	joshcryer	Feb 2015	#4
A third way I think is more effective	RobertSF	Feb 2015	#7
But the "hurt" we would put on the rich would not really hurt them.	stillwaiting	Feb 2015	#20
Good stuff. You support Elizebeth Warren?	marble falls	Feb 2015	#40
You don't need welfare? Who is going to take care of the elderly who are poor? Who is going to	jwirr	Feb 2015	#62
Very broad definition that sounds nice the way you try to put it	Populist_Prole	Feb 2015	#9
No you don't understand because you are socially secure. All you are saying is 'money matters more	Bluenorthwest	Feb 2015	#45
It's not money, it's survival.	Populist_Prole	Feb 2015	#80
Welfare for impoverished people is redistribution from taxes	Fumesucker	Feb 2015	#10
Welfare is not redistribution. Please don't fall for the Republican trap.	joshcryer	Feb 2015	#93
The appearance of equal justice is almost as important as actual justice	Fumesucker	Feb 2015	#106
Every "ism" in this country means more profit for a capitalist and lower wages for all.	McCamy Taylor	Feb 2015	#13
Instead of calling it redistribution, call it SHARING instead	meow2u3	Feb 2015	#25
Or rather, economic policy is social policy.	Scuba	Feb 2015	#31
Exactly right. The two can't be separated	HereSince1628	Feb 2015	#46
Demonstrably false.	joshcryer	Feb 2015	#87
Demonstrably true.	Scuba	Feb 2015	#108
Name a state.	joshcryer	Feb 2015	#110
Mississippi.	Scuba	Feb 2015	#112
False.	joshcryer	Feb 2015	#113
From miserably poor to slightly less miserably poor is still poor.	Scuba	Feb 2015	#120
I know what I would like her to do	hollowdweller	Feb 2015	#50
No, you don't care. You're the one who's willing to sacrifice one for the other.	Marr	Feb 2015	#83
Not sacrifice, prioritize.	joshcryer	Feb 2015	#92
How many of us have to be in poverty to become a "priority"?	winter is coming	Feb 2015	#95
What should be done?	joshcryer	Feb 2015	#97
We need to reinstate Glass-Steagall, just for starters.	winter is coming	Feb 2015	#98
They tried with the Banking Integrity Act of 2009.	joshcryer	Feb 2015	#101
You're presenting a false choice: that we can only have either economic	winter is coming	Feb 2015	#103
Yes, and Dodd-Frank was 90%.	joshcryer	Feb 2015	#104
Dodd-Frank is being dismantled, in case you missed that. By both parties. nt	RiverLover	Feb 2015	#109
Not quite.	joshcryer	Feb 2015	#111
Both parties, right in front of us, and you deny it. Better Believe It means unbelievable here~	RiverLover	Feb 2015	#114
Yes, and Dodd-Frank was 90%.	joshcryer	Feb 2015	#115
Read the article, learn something	RiverLover	Feb 2015	#118
It looks like we're okay with selling out people.	winter is coming	Feb 2015	#116
This is why we lose.	joshcryer	Feb 2015	#117
That's why the blue dogs lose.	winter is coming	Feb 2015	#119
I would argue the reverse. Economic populism is social justice. n/t	lumberjack_jeff	Feb 2015	#91
It would be good to remember this	Caretha	Feb 2015	#121
None of it matters if the 99% are all paupers	Fumesucker	Feb 2015	#6
When one is not equal under the law, one does not get equal opportunities.	Bluenorthwest	Feb 2015	#47
I don't have any argument with equal rights	Fumesucker	Feb 2015	#48
I agree 100%	hollowdweller	Feb 2015	#54
And yet some of the countries with the highest median incomes and low poverty rates	Bluenorthwest	Feb 2015	#58
Your verbiage paints civil rights as part of a bargain that causes mass poverty.	Bluenorthwest	Feb 2015	#55
I think we are talking past each other	Fumesucker	Feb 2015	#57
Instead of discussing specifics I bring up, you lecture me	Bluenorthwest	Feb 2015	#63
You are also quite the lecturer	Fumesucker	Feb 2015	#64
Good argument, so who is your candidate?	MH1	Feb 2015	#70
Who has declared and put forth a platform they intend to run on?	Fumesucker	Feb 2015	#71
I don't know of anyone. Do you?	MH1	Feb 2015	#74
There are certain unavoidable policy matters to consider.	joshcryer	Feb 2015	#94
Sure they want what they think is best, best for them and the people they know	Fumesucker	Feb 2015	#107
You're damned right they do	Populist_Prole	Feb 2015	#8
Dude, "social issues" are why we have a crap minimum wage and no universal health.	McCamy Taylor	Feb 2015	#15
Says a white, straight, male.	Bluenorthwest	Feb 2015	#49
Financial desires?	Populist_Prole	Feb 2015	#81
Because banks never make women homeless, just men n/t	eridani	Feb 2015	#11
That's pretty much the opposite of the truth	nxylas	Feb 2015	#12
Sanders and Warren don't say that, but look at this thread, many people stridently insist that	Bluenorthwest	Feb 2015	#51
That is just not true in my case (and many others that agree with me).	stillwaiting	Feb 2015	#22
How do you think LGBT equality went from being the 'wedge issue that costs Democrats elections' to	Bluenorthwest	Feb 2015	#65
I would say the most empowering thing you could do for American women	Erich Bloodaxe BSN	Feb 2015	#53
OMG	Phlem	Feb 2015	#77
Did you happen to notice the citation about women comprising a majority of the poor?	Marr	Feb 2015	#82
And you want people to take you seriously?	Phlem	Feb 2015	#86
Got an argument?	joshcryer	Feb 2015	#88
"They don't care about anything else."	Phlem	Feb 2015	#90
Why would they vote Republican?	joshcryer	Feb 2015	#96
Why would anyone vote Republican?	Phlem	Feb 2015	#99
Didn't think you had an argument.	joshcryer	Feb 2015	#102
Yep. In this model, having women represent 51% of Wal-Mart and Amazon warehouse workers is "equality	Widget2000	Feb 2015	#100
I don't find that all that progressive	RobertSF	Feb 2015	#5
A speech from 1995?!? That is supposed to convince me HRC is progressive? She's a war hawk.	peacebird	Feb 2015	#14
Social justice is the key to a strong working class in this country.	McCamy Taylor	Feb 2015	#16
You do realize Bill Clinton wrecked welfare with his "welfare reform", right?	RiverLover	Feb 2015	#24
Yep, and even on their few social justice issues, DLC-types don't lead. They just cynically play the	Marr	Feb 2015	#84
No, the dismantling of democracy and the increase of authoritarianism and inequality	woo me with science	Feb 2015	#29
+1	Marr	Feb 2015	#85
Hillary Supported the Iraq War	hollowdweller	Feb 2015	#56
A Democrat should be more than a Republican who is good on social issues	eridani	Feb 2015	#17
Nope McCamy Taylor.	99Forever	Feb 2015	#18
Spot on. There's nothin progressive bout Hillary. It's all pretend with her & she's a lousy actress.	InAbLuEsTaTe	Feb 2015	#38
Not this Third Way garbage again. Neoliberals shit on women and poor people.	woo me with science	Feb 2015	#19
+all the numbers. n/t	winter is coming	Feb 2015	#36
You nailed it. Hillary is a fraud and those of us who after informed see right through her phony shtick.	InAbLuEsTaTe	Feb 2015	#39
Here's the thing, a heck of a lot of people don't give a shit about "social policy" or "isms".	Autumn	Feb 2015	#21
One more time. Divide and Conquer, i.e. the "isms" is why we are poor.	McCamy Taylor	Feb 2015	#23
So who's doing the dividing and conquering?	Autumn	Feb 2015	#26
Anyone who says we are too broke to care about "social issues"	McCamy Taylor	Feb 2015	#27
So if	aspirant	Feb 2015	#28
My opinion. The ones doing the divide and conquering are the ones in power	Autumn	Feb 2015	#30
When I was born, LGBT people were illegal, put in jail or institutions, marginalized and	Bluenorthwest	Feb 2015	#68
It was clear in my post that the tossed bone I referred to was financial.	Autumn	Feb 2015	#72
$3,000,000,000,000 on the Iraq war	Fumesucker	Feb 2015	#34
The triangulators who decided it was okay to impoverish people as long as	winter is coming	Feb 2015	#35
Pro war, pro Wall Street, pro TPP, pro Keystone XL, pro H-1B visas, member of "The Family".	Scuba	Feb 2015	#32
+1 The new meme, Hillary's a progressive says the Thirdway	Phlem	Feb 2015	#79
Hillary is a neoliberal.	winter is coming	Feb 2015	#33
+1000000000000000	woo me with science	Feb 2015	#41
....	bigwillq	Feb 2015	#44
Women's right, gay rights, etc...	sendero	Feb 2015	#37
And yet a few short years ago, all I heard from straight Democrats was that gay rights was a 'wedge	Bluenorthwest	Feb 2015	#69
I'm insulting those.	sendero	Feb 2015	#73
is Hillary	mercuryblues	Feb 2015	#42
What party does she belong to? I forget	Katashi_itto	Feb 2015	#43
Women's issues are her one strong shining light.	Erich Bloodaxe BSN	Feb 2015	#52
Social progressiveness isn't enough	Spirochete	Feb 2015	#59
We need someone who can do both.	winter is coming	Feb 2015	#60
I agree	Spirochete	Feb 2015	#61
But that's not what your first post communicated.	Bluenorthwest	Feb 2015	#66
yep.	Phlem	Feb 2015	#78
This frequently breaks down into "there is no true Scotsmen" type argumentation.	HereSince1628	Feb 2015	#67
That's the Hillary that I know and admire.	Beacool	Feb 2015	#75
By the 2010s, she was even bolder!	MannyGoldstein	Feb 2015	#76
What has her speech 20 years ago changed in the world?	Ramses	Feb 2015	#89
She's a Helluva Lot More Progressive Than Cruz!	charles d	Feb 2015	#105

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