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193. TR was a complicated figure

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Hillary Clinton’s Top Corporate Donors Are Among The Most Hated Companies in America [View all] Ichingcarpenter Feb 2015 OP

a Government "of the people, by the people and for the people". Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2015 #1

Corporations are people too, my friend... Fumesucker Feb 2015 #3

Hillary Inc is living proof of that, though her poll-tested personality is majorly lacking. InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2015 #63

And that's the law Jack Rabbit Feb 2015 #68

WTF ? father founding Feb 2015 #70

Why do I laugh every time I hear that? Probably shouldn't. kairos12 Feb 2015 #82

Do they want Campaign Finance Reform, specifically: publicly financed elections, too? Octafish Feb 2015 #87

Quite frankly; yes Half-Century Man Feb 2015 #203

And it's the best government some 'people' can buy! HereSince1628 Feb 2015 #4

It's as if the non-governing elite control the governing elite. Rex Feb 2015 #11

I suppose the only if is -if- there is such a thing as a non-governing oligarch HereSince1628 Feb 2015 #18

I prefer non-governing plutocracy. The word oligarchy give some here the vapors. Rex Feb 2015 #24

Yea, but to be a real Player you buy Republicans and Democrats! A Democrat can get you Dustlawyer Feb 2015 #192

The ones spreading the corporatist Third Way gospel or the Party uber alles gospel merrily Feb 2015 #174

A lot of the governing elite were once the non-governing elite. If not, many sure made money merrily Feb 2015 #182

Honorary Member Of The Bush Family billhicks76 Feb 2015 #138

Centrist swarm attack in 3...2...1... Rex Feb 2015 #2

No doubt! Populist_Prole Feb 2015 #33

obama's apologists would prefer you not mention the TPP thanks :-) nt msongs Feb 2015 #54

Well if Obama is for the TPP it's for our own good. Enthusiast Feb 2015 #126

Do you believe that a person can run a serious and credible national camapaign cheapdate Feb 2015 #52

Bernie may be doing just that. hope hope. -nt- 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #61

Then what is the point of the little people participating? AllyCat Feb 2015 #62

I believe it's a social truth that accepting a gift creates a bond or an obligation, cheapdate Feb 2015 #81

If Warren Buffet contributed $10 BILLION to a candidate he still gets only one vote. George II Feb 2015 #194

Really? laundry_queen Feb 2015 #209

Wow, I didn't know! So that's how Romney won. n/t A Simple Game Feb 2015 #89

No, Romney obviously lost. cheapdate Feb 2015 #97

No I believe you, I already knew Romney outspent Obama. A Simple Game Feb 2015 #130

Warren gets lots of donations from ordinary people. The corporate dollars add up faster, but JDPriestly Feb 2015 #165

Why should we bother to vote if the candidates are bought by corporations before we have any JDPriestly Feb 2015 #164

Moot Point Joe Turner Feb 2015 #96

It matters to me. cheapdate Feb 2015 #98

"she won't radically change the system of environmental protections" Joe Turner Feb 2015 #116

I couldn't disagree more. cheapdate Feb 2015 #122

That's what you don't get Joe Turner Feb 2015 #133

Who are you talking to? cheapdate Feb 2015 #140

How about Hillary giving her campaign funds to Elizabeth Warren or Bernie Sanders and JDPriestly Feb 2015 #168

Do Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Stephen Breyer serve the interests of the 1%? /NT DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #144

Actually I think they do Joe Turner Feb 2015 #154

You do know the dissenters were Clarence Thomas, William Rehnquist, Antonin Scalia, and ... DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #155

No, they decided that certain private property rights outweight other private property rights hatrack Feb 2015 #159

Actually Bush issued an executive order restricting the use of eminent domain... DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #160

So the best we can hope for is the status quo and we can have that only provided that we behave JDPriestly Feb 2015 #167

Everyone can make their own strategic decision. cheapdate Feb 2015 #198

And I believe that Democrats can and must do much better than Hillary Clinton. JDPriestly Feb 2015 #210

How much more irrelevant will Democrats be if Republicans win the White House? cheapdate Feb 2015 #212

If you live in a red state, you are partly responsible for changing that red state blue. JDPriestly Feb 2015 #213

+1. cheapdate Feb 2015 #214

+10 (nt) PosterChild Feb 2015 #139

Do you believe a person can accept limitless corporate donations and remain a "credible" candidate? hatrack Feb 2015 #147

The problem, as Barack Obama and others have pointed out, cheapdate Feb 2015 #153

Couldn't agree with you more on gift/obligation . . . hatrack Feb 2015 #157

At the end of the Gilded Age, after the horrific corruption, the vote-selling, the cnadidate-buying, JDPriestly Feb 2015 #169

TR was a complicated figure tomp Feb 2015 #193

Yes. JDPriestly Feb 2015 #211

Obama outspent McCain by a lot. By the time he ran against Romney, he was a wiar time incumbent and merrily Feb 2015 #175

Hillary has been a candidate in three elections. cheapdate Feb 2015 #196

What does that have to do with my post #175? merrily Feb 2015 #197

I'll try to be more direct. cheapdate Feb 2015 #202

No one interpreted your comment. I simply made my own observation merrily Feb 2015 #204

Seriously? No one interpreted my comment? cheapdate Feb 2015 #205

I replied to your comment and made an observation of my own. If you don't believe that, oh, well. merrily Feb 2015 #206

The fact that you replied and made an observation is not in dispute. cheapdate Feb 2015 #207

LOL. merrily Feb 2015 #208

I absolutely believe that dreamnightwind Feb 2015 #216

I don't disagree entirely with your arguments. cheapdate Feb 2015 #217

The Washington Free Beacon? WTF?... SidDithers Feb 2015 #5

Would this be a better source? HappyMe Feb 2015 #10

Easy now...their narrative has no support structure. So expect no answer. Rex Feb 2015 #27

It's his modus operandi. Attack the source, ignore the substance. Comrade Grumpy Feb 2015 #35

Sources matter... SidDithers Feb 2015 #41

Dispute it with facts or accept as fact glasshouses Feb 2015 #49

Welcome to DU... SidDithers Feb 2015 #51

thank you glasshouses Feb 2015 #102

You are arguing in support of a textbook logical fallacy LittleBlue Feb 2015 #65

I gave what I think is a better source. HappyMe Feb 2015 #45

Facts are hard to counter glasshouses Feb 2015 #50

Does anyone else remember when the Democratic Party wasn't controlled by corporatists? Broward Feb 2015 #14

Google the headline and you'll see the other "news" outlets that have jumped on this... George II Feb 2015 #46

Do you and Sid not see reply #10, with links to opensecrets.org? That's the source of the data. Electric Monk Feb 2015 #64

I did see that, later on. But the way the numbers are presented here is misleading... George II Feb 2015 #67

In addition, you can see the breakdown of where the contributions came from on opensecrets... George II Feb 2015 #72

What's your point? nm rhett o rick Feb 2015 #99

The point is that Hillary Clinton is being criticized for the (misleading) sources.... George II Feb 2015 #104

I think that HRC will be influenced by corporate money more than either Sen Sanders or rhett o rick Feb 2015 #107

I really don't know. George II Feb 2015 #109

Just look at opensecrets.org and the candidates liabilities and main donors. Rex Feb 2015 #115

Elizabeth Warren's primary donors: JDPriestly Feb 2015 #171

^^^this!^^^ peacebird Feb 2015 #186

Do you think either can finance a national campaign for president? George II Feb 2015 #191

Jamie Dimon is an individual. So is Bernie Madoff. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2015 #135

Actually, I think I mentioned it here a couple of weeks ago. JDPriestly Feb 2015 #170

Who will you be voting for? L0oniX Feb 2015 #118

I welcome their xenophobia...nt SidDithers Feb 2015 #124

I remember when flamebait was frowned upon shenmue Feb 2015 #148

Yep, meta, too. sic transit gloria Canada. merrily Feb 2015 #177

It's names and numbers, ffs, not commentary. Disprove the info, if you think it's wrong. merrily Feb 2015 #176

Sid is the media decider. Iteration 2. DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2015 #199

You're OK with using conservative sources to attack Democrats at DU?... SidDithers Feb 2015 #200

I don't see Comcast. GeorgeGist Feb 2015 #6

Wait. merrily Feb 2015 #178

I counted maybe 4 donors that I think I could trust. We are in big trouble. jwirr Feb 2015 #7

Golly! What a surprise. 99Forever Feb 2015 #8

I'm torn-votin 4 a warmonging corporatist just doesn't appeal. Wud hate 2 have that on my conscience. InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2015 #90

This! hifiguy Feb 2015 #94

Me too. Fool me once, shame on you........... Enthusiast Feb 2015 #127

k & fucking r! n/t wildbilln864 Feb 2015 #9

Couple of issues I see with this Egnever Feb 2015 #12

Stop being nuanced, you are supposed to be outraged, just kidding. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #15

Sorry Egnever Feb 2015 #23

She will get there by taking... DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #26

Of course it is from individuals. former9thward Feb 2015 #103

Nice, the free beacon sharp_stick Feb 2015 #13

Exactly. The Right hates Clinton.. The Fringe Left hates Clinton... SidDithers Feb 2015 #16

Reminds me of when Stalin wouldn't let the Communists in Germany work with the Socialists... DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #20

And with predictable results, but some didn't learn... freshwest Feb 2015 #125

It's called "maximizing the contradictions" or the "worse the better" DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #143

Thanks so much for saying that better than I could! Saving that. freshwest Feb 2015 #146

You mean the Left wants a candidate that will represent the people and not the Big Banks. rhett o rick Feb 2015 #100

It's all predetermined by the Oligarch Rulers anyway, right rick?... SidDithers Feb 2015 #101

Yes the fringey Left believes that money has too much influence in politics. rhett o rick Feb 2015 #105

+1 an entire shit load. Enthusiast Feb 2015 #129

There is no "fringe left." Hasn't been one since the Rosenbergs. hedda_foil Feb 2015 #162

Even more than that, FDR, Truman and JFK were plain ole Democrats, not even liberal Democrats. merrily Feb 2015 #184

The Right wants to help the rich. The left wants to help the 99%. merrily Feb 2015 #183

I like the extra large tight lens GIF of Hillary Clinton laughing DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #19

It's taken directly from opensecrets.org fbc Feb 2015 #22

That's not the point. Notice they never actually talk about the point of the OP. Rex Feb 2015 #25

Everyone takes money from them Egnever Feb 2015 #29

Emily's List was close to the top. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #32

That's why I unsubscribed from Emily's list. Enthusiast Feb 2015 #131

Wow./NT DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #141

Yes, everybody does it, so I guess that makes it right. InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2015 #93

The OP is a flat-out lie, since those companies did not give the money NYC Liberal Feb 2015 #75

Take it up with www.opensecrets.org. since that is where the data came from. Rex Feb 2015 #91

Yes that is where I'm looking. And opensource.org clearly distingushes NYC Liberal Feb 2015 #112

Well individuals are not corporate donors and the poll is lifted right from the harris pdf. Rex Feb 2015 #113

No I have a problem sharp_stick Feb 2015 #69

The information is valid. Maedhros Feb 2015 #95

Sure the stuff in there might be valid sharp_stick Feb 2015 #108

Carping over the source as a means to derail discussion is always malignant. [n/t] Maedhros Feb 2015 #121

If you can't be bothered sharp_stick Feb 2015 #145

If you had anything that rebutted the OP you would have already posted it. Maedhros Feb 2015 #152

There is not enough money to defend this nationwide, along with the Epstein crapola. TheNutcracker Feb 2015 #17

Who does Hillary Clinton work for? fbc Feb 2015 #21

Doh... GummyBearz Feb 2015 #28

Well isn't this a nice piece of Republican garbage... surprised they didn't list labor unions OKNancy Feb 2015 #30

Exactly. Those corp's aren't hated by the rightwing. JaneyVee Feb 2015 #34

It's from the Washington Free Beacon... SidDithers Feb 2015 #37

No facts to counter the poll? Ok ...got it. L0oniX Feb 2015 #119

And when GOP throws a hat in the ring.... JaneyVee Feb 2015 #31

That OUGHT to make her one of the most hated candidates among Democratic voters FiveGoodMen Feb 2015 #36

Are you kidding? She's the most progressive candidate EVAH. Read it right here. Scuba Feb 2015 #38

LOL L0oniX Feb 2015 #120

Goldman Sachs was top Obama donor DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #40

Elizabeth Warren Endorses ‘Free Money’ for Wall Street wyldwolf Feb 2015 #39

Warren refused to speak at a Koch Foundation (Heritage) event for phasing out Ex-Im bank RiverLover Feb 2015 #83

Those contributions/contributors go back to 1989 (!!!), 26 years. How about current numbers only... George II Feb 2015 #42

The Washington Free Beacon............... George II Feb 2015 #43

The right is trying to undermine HRC from the left. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #44

+1...nt SidDithers Feb 2015 #47

And some who consider themselves "the left" or "progressive" lap it up like crazy. George II Feb 2015 #48

It is what it is DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #55

A lot of those companies got US taxpayer bailouts in the Great Looting of 2008. Octafish Feb 2015 #53

You have posted the standing membership of the US Central Committee, The US is an industry run state whereisjustice Feb 2015 #56

Why are you dissing our next president like this? ybbor Feb 2015 #57

As long as the other side is raising tons of dough don't you think it's incumbent on us to raise... DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #58

Yes I agree with you on that ybbor Feb 2015 #66

A "woman of the people"... Sienna86 Feb 2015 #59

If I have a bug up my ass it's people who don't judge other people by the same standards, ergo: DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #60

More of the same shit father founding Feb 2015 #71

Misleading tripe. Those companies did not contribute; People WORKING FOR those companies did. NYC Liberal Feb 2015 #73

Exactly... SidDithers Feb 2015 #76

Some of the stuff that gets posted here these days is disgusting. NYC Liberal Feb 2015 #161

Yep, some haters can't see a few inches ahead of their noses. Makes me want to vote HRC now... freshwest Feb 2015 #156

Yes, I'm sure it was only the poorest of the poor at those companies too NorthCarolina Feb 2015 #189

Looks like the same companies that contributed to Obama AgingAmerican Feb 2015 #74

Res ipsa loquitur DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #78

*Shudder* AgingAmerican Feb 2015 #84

"Don't hate the playa, hate the game."/NT DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #86

"It's not either/or." merrily Feb 2015 #181

It is but I notice a big difference. Obama doesn't really have any big liabilities. Rex Feb 2015 #117

In 2008, yes. Not in 2012. Drunken Irishman Feb 2015 #173

Better Believe It!!...nt SidDithers Feb 2015 #77

The selective outrage would be comical if the stakes weren't so high./NT DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #79

you should see what those companies Cryptoad Feb 2015 #80

The bottom line is this Pakid Feb 2015 #85

I'm surprized that Monsanto is not in that list. BeanMusical Feb 2015 #88

Everyone who is surprised by this stand on your head... hifiguy Feb 2015 #92

Sockpuppets for Hillary stand up! Enthusiast Feb 2015 #132

The conclusion one draws will indicate more about their effort to understand than about Hillary BootinUp Feb 2015 #106

Warren admitted she has taken Wall Street Money, she understands financing a campaign. Thinkingabout Feb 2015 #110

re reddread Feb 2015 #111

The best candidate corrupt money can buy... blkmusclmachine Feb 2015 #114

I guess it's time to tell ... NanceGreggs Feb 2015 #123

Of course they would..... workinclasszero Feb 2015 #128

Interesting, yes ... NanceGreggs Feb 2015 #136

If the past is any indication of the future Egnever Feb 2015 #151

So, we are talking the Herbert Hoover section? Would they put a chicken in every pot, too? freshwest Feb 2015 #158

''Among the most hated companies.'' DeSwiss Feb 2015 #188

This is how America is run LiberalLovinLug Feb 2015 #134

OK, I see some banks...but how are other companies HATED? Countdown_3_2_1 Feb 2015 #137

This stuff makes me sick. davidthegnome Feb 2015 #142

Of all the hypocritical nonsense!!!!! Beacool Feb 2015 #149

Obama received a lot in '08 but hardly any support from Wall Street in 2012. Drunken Irishman Feb 2015 #172

Wall Street probably did prefer Romney. Also, Obama didn't need as much in 2012 as in 2008. merrily Feb 2015 #179

I think his rhetoric turned Wall Street off too. Drunken Irishman Feb 2015 #187

Dunno. First term rhetoric was very different from post 2014 mid term rhetoric. merrily Feb 2015 #190

I didn't support Obama LWolf Feb 2015 #215

That list looks familiar MyNameGoesHere Feb 2015 #150

K&R. JDPriestly Feb 2015 #163

I'd be interested to know the date of this report. calimary Feb 2015 #166

The beginning of the OP says over the course of her political career. merrily Feb 2015 #180

. stonecutter357 Feb 2015 #185

K&R woo me with science Feb 2015 #195

Another Wall Street shill CountAllVotes Feb 2015 #201