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Bluenorthwest

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51. Sanders and Warren don't say that, but look at this thread, many people stridently insist that

Sun Feb 15, 2015, 11:45 AM

Feb 2015

social justice is secondary to and separate from economic justice. At this point there are no actual candidates with actual platforms, we have only supportive cohorts around certain persons.More than one straight white person in this thread has openly typed that civil rights and social equality don't 'mean squat' to them, their concerns are about finances. It is a Republican meme they present 'Money first, people second' but they wrap it up in verbiage about poverty but the message is 'your rights are of no concern compared to the financial well being of myself and my family'.
I'm sick of straight people speaking as if they understand the lives of others and of them being aggressively dismissive of those unlike themselves when we speak up. There is no way I will go back to that oppressive past just to make money for straights.
I'll gladly vote for Bernie, but Warren's cohort gives me the cold chills. They see Civil Rights as fodder for them to trade for financial rewards. Dangerous.

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Clinton Not Progressive Enough? Depends Upon What You Mean By Progressive [View all] McCamy Taylor Feb 2015 OP

Thank you for this post. Hillary Clinton 2016 misterhighwasted Feb 2015 #1

People want her to be "economically progressive." joshcryer Feb 2015 #2

I hope you're wrong. That would mean all they want is revenge for losing their houses and jobs. McCamy Taylor Feb 2015 #3

What they don't understand is social policy *is* economic policy. joshcryer Feb 2015 #4

A third way I think is more effective RobertSF Feb 2015 #7

But the "hurt" we would put on the rich would not really hurt them. stillwaiting Feb 2015 #20

Good stuff. You support Elizebeth Warren? marble falls Feb 2015 #40

You don't need welfare? Who is going to take care of the elderly who are poor? Who is going to jwirr Feb 2015 #62

Very broad definition that sounds nice the way you try to put it Populist_Prole Feb 2015 #9

No you don't understand because you are socially secure. All you are saying is 'money matters more Bluenorthwest Feb 2015 #45

It's not money, it's survival. Populist_Prole Feb 2015 #80

Welfare for impoverished people *is* redistribution from taxes Fumesucker Feb 2015 #10

Welfare is not redistribution. Please don't fall for the Republican trap. joshcryer Feb 2015 #93

The appearance of equal justice is almost as important as actual justice Fumesucker Feb 2015 #106

Every "ism" in this country means more profit for a capitalist and lower wages for all. McCamy Taylor Feb 2015 #13

Instead of calling it redistribution, call it SHARING instead meow2u3 Feb 2015 #25

Or rather, economic policy *is* social policy. Scuba Feb 2015 #31

Exactly right. The two can't be separated HereSince1628 Feb 2015 #46

Demonstrably false. joshcryer Feb 2015 #87

Demonstrably true. Scuba Feb 2015 #108

Name a state. joshcryer Feb 2015 #110

Mississippi. Scuba Feb 2015 #112

False. joshcryer Feb 2015 #113

From miserably poor to slightly less miserably poor is still poor. Scuba Feb 2015 #120

I know what I would like her to do hollowdweller Feb 2015 #50

No, *you* don't care. You're the one who's willing to sacrifice one for the other. Marr Feb 2015 #83

Not sacrifice, prioritize. joshcryer Feb 2015 #92

How many of us have to be in poverty to become a "priority"? winter is coming Feb 2015 #95

What should be done? joshcryer Feb 2015 #97

We need to reinstate Glass-Steagall, just for starters. winter is coming Feb 2015 #98

They tried with the Banking Integrity Act of 2009. joshcryer Feb 2015 #101

You're presenting a false choice: that we can only have either economic winter is coming Feb 2015 #103

Yes, and Dodd-Frank was 90%. joshcryer Feb 2015 #104

Dodd-Frank is being dismantled, in case you missed that. By both parties. nt RiverLover Feb 2015 #109

Not quite. joshcryer Feb 2015 #111

Both parties, right in front of us, and you deny it. Better Believe It means unbelievable here~ RiverLover Feb 2015 #114

Yes, and Dodd-Frank was 90%. joshcryer Feb 2015 #115

Read the article, learn something RiverLover Feb 2015 #118

It looks like we're okay with selling out people. winter is coming Feb 2015 #116

This is why we lose. joshcryer Feb 2015 #117

That's why the blue dogs lose. winter is coming Feb 2015 #119

I would argue the reverse. Economic populism is social justice. n/t lumberjack_jeff Feb 2015 #91

It would be good to remember this Caretha Feb 2015 #121

None of it matters if the 99% are all paupers Fumesucker Feb 2015 #6

When one is not equal under the law, one does not get equal opportunities. Bluenorthwest Feb 2015 #47

I don't have any argument with equal rights Fumesucker Feb 2015 #48

I agree 100% hollowdweller Feb 2015 #54

And yet some of the countries with the highest median incomes and low poverty rates Bluenorthwest Feb 2015 #58

Your verbiage paints civil rights as part of a bargain that causes mass poverty. Bluenorthwest Feb 2015 #55

I think we are talking past each other Fumesucker Feb 2015 #57

Instead of discussing specifics I bring up, you lecture me Bluenorthwest Feb 2015 #63

You are also quite the lecturer Fumesucker Feb 2015 #64

Good argument, so who is your candidate? MH1 Feb 2015 #70

Who has declared and put forth a platform they intend to run on? Fumesucker Feb 2015 #71

I don't know of anyone. Do you? MH1 Feb 2015 #74

There are certain unavoidable policy matters to consider. joshcryer Feb 2015 #94

Sure they want what they think is best, best for them and the people they know Fumesucker Feb 2015 #107

You're damned right they do Populist_Prole Feb 2015 #8

Dude, "social issues" are why we have a crap minimum wage and no universal health. McCamy Taylor Feb 2015 #15

Says a white, straight, male. Bluenorthwest Feb 2015 #49

Financial desires? Populist_Prole Feb 2015 #81

Because banks never make women homeless, just men n/t eridani Feb 2015 #11

That's pretty much the opposite of the truth nxylas Feb 2015 #12

Sanders and Warren don't say that, but look at this thread, many people stridently insist that Bluenorthwest Feb 2015 #51

That is just not true in my case (and many others that agree with me). stillwaiting Feb 2015 #22

How do you think LGBT equality went from being the 'wedge issue that costs Democrats elections' to Bluenorthwest Feb 2015 #65

I would say the most empowering thing you could do for American women Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2015 #53

OMG Phlem Feb 2015 #77

Did you happen to notice the citation about women comprising a majority of the poor? Marr Feb 2015 #82

And you want people to take you seriously? Phlem Feb 2015 #86

Got an argument? joshcryer Feb 2015 #88

"They don't care about anything else." Phlem Feb 2015 #90

Why would they vote Republican? joshcryer Feb 2015 #96

Why would anyone vote Republican? Phlem Feb 2015 #99

Didn't think you had an argument. joshcryer Feb 2015 #102

Yep. In this model, having women represent 51% of Wal-Mart and Amazon warehouse workers is "equality Widget2000 Feb 2015 #100

I don't find that all that progressive RobertSF Feb 2015 #5

A speech from 1995?!? That is supposed to convince me HRC is progressive? She's a war hawk. peacebird Feb 2015 #14

Social justice is the key to a strong working class in this country. McCamy Taylor Feb 2015 #16

You do realize Bill Clinton wrecked welfare with his "welfare reform", right? RiverLover Feb 2015 #24

Yep, and even on their few social justice issues, DLC-types don't lead. They just cynically play the Marr Feb 2015 #84

No, the dismantling of democracy and the increase of authoritarianism and inequality woo me with science Feb 2015 #29

+1 Marr Feb 2015 #85

Hillary Supported the Iraq War hollowdweller Feb 2015 #56

A Democrat should be more than a Republican who is good on social issues eridani Feb 2015 #17

Nope McCamy Taylor. 99Forever Feb 2015 #18

Spot on. There's nothin progressive bout Hillary. It's all pretend with her & she's a lousy actress. InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2015 #38

Not this Third Way garbage again. Neoliberals shit on women and poor people. woo me with science Feb 2015 #19

+all the numbers. n/t winter is coming Feb 2015 #36

You nailed it. Hillary is a fraud and those of us who after informed see right through her phony shtick. InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2015 #39

Here's the thing, a heck of a lot of people don't give a shit about "social policy" or "isms". Autumn Feb 2015 #21

One more time. Divide and Conquer, i.e. the "isms" is why we are poor. McCamy Taylor Feb 2015 #23

So who's doing the dividing and conquering? Autumn Feb 2015 #26

Anyone who says we are too broke to care about "social issues" McCamy Taylor Feb 2015 #27

So if aspirant Feb 2015 #28

My opinion. The ones doing the divide and conquering are the ones in power Autumn Feb 2015 #30

When I was born, LGBT people were illegal, put in jail or institutions, marginalized and Bluenorthwest Feb 2015 #68

It was clear in my post that the tossed bone I referred to was financial. Autumn Feb 2015 #72

$3,000,000,000,000 on the Iraq war Fumesucker Feb 2015 #34

The triangulators who decided it was okay to impoverish people as long as winter is coming Feb 2015 #35

Pro war, pro Wall Street, pro TPP, pro Keystone XL, pro H-1B visas, member of "The Family". Scuba Feb 2015 #32

+1 The new meme, Hillary's a progressive says the Thirdway Phlem Feb 2015 #79

Hillary is a neoliberal. winter is coming Feb 2015 #33

+1000000000000000 woo me with science Feb 2015 #41

.... bigwillq Feb 2015 #44

Women's right, gay rights, etc... sendero Feb 2015 #37

And yet a few short years ago, all I heard from straight Democrats was that gay rights was a 'wedge Bluenorthwest Feb 2015 #69

I'm insulting those. sendero Feb 2015 #73

is Hillary mercuryblues Feb 2015 #42

What party does she belong to? I forget Katashi_itto Feb 2015 #43

Women's issues are her one strong shining light. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2015 #52

Social progressiveness isn't enough Spirochete Feb 2015 #59

We need someone who can do both. winter is coming Feb 2015 #60

I agree Spirochete Feb 2015 #61

But that's not what your first post communicated. Bluenorthwest Feb 2015 #66

yep. Phlem Feb 2015 #78

This frequently breaks down into "there is no true Scotsmen" type argumentation. HereSince1628 Feb 2015 #67

That's the Hillary that I know and admire. Beacool Feb 2015 #75

By the 2010s, she was even bolder! MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #76

What has her speech 20 years ago changed in the world? Ramses Feb 2015 #89

She's a Helluva Lot More Progressive Than Cruz! charles d Feb 2015 #105